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20 games I'd like to see in a 'Saturn Classic'
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I'm all for it. My games;
1) Panzer Dragoon Zwei
2) Panzer Dragoon Saga
3) Saturn Bomberman
4) NiGHTs
5) Sega Rally
6) Virtua Fighter 2
7) Shining Force 3
8) Burning Rangers
9) Street Fighter Zero 3 (JPN)
10) Radiant Silvergun (JPN)
11) Sonic Jam
12) Die Hard Arcade
13) Tomb Raider
14) Fighters Megamix
15) Manx TT or Daytona
16) Exhumed/Powerslave
17) Duke NUkem 3D
18) Quake
19) Sonic R
20) Guardian Heroes
1) Panzer Dragoon Zwei
2) Panzer Dragoon Saga
3) Saturn Bomberman
4) NiGHTs
5) Sega Rally
6) Virtua Fighter 2
7) Shining Force 3
8) Burning Rangers
9) Street Fighter Zero 3 (JPN)
10) Radiant Silvergun (JPN)
11) Sonic Jam
12) Die Hard Arcade
13) Tomb Raider
14) Fighters Megamix
15) Manx TT or Daytona
16) Exhumed/Powerslave
17) Duke NUkem 3D
18) Quake
19) Sonic R
20) Guardian Heroes
I've never heard of legend of Oasis and now need to check it out.
Haha, the visual downgrade is quite massive :P. I don't mind it for that raw combat though. 8 Player is a blast all the same.
lol agreed - I actually bought Mr. Bones when it first released and still have my copy. It is a ridiculously idiosyncratic but pretty charming multi-genre game heavy on the early CG. It doesn't play super well and can be frankly pretty rough but it's got a great sense of humor, especially for that era. Feels actually more like a Tim Schafer joint than anything.
It's a great game. The prequel (Story of Thor/Beyond Oasis depending on your region) on the Mega Drive is even better, and is my fave game on the MD.
Great OP, I've been thinking about this since the PSX announcement.
The Saturn had such a diversity of software that it's not hard to come up with a selection of twenty games that cover so many genres.
Some key titles have been re-released time and again, and a Saturn Classic would be an opportunity to give attention to the forgotten classics.
(1) Exhumed
One of the best FPS of all time, on the console with the best version. 3D Metroidvania done so very well.
(2) Dark Saviour
An engrossing and very unique action adventure. The parallel system – in which replays take place in divergent alternate universes – is a USP that most of the industry ignored.
(3) Shining Force III
A legendary JRPG. Bonus points for including the sequel discs as part of the package.
(4) Panzer Dragoon Saga
There is no more paramount title that must be included. Sega's magnum opus.
(5) Fighters Megamix
A fighting mash up which is engaging, clever and very fun.
(6) NiGHTS
A must include – points, combo, score-based level progression with gargantuan bosses. Turns into Christmas NiGHTS if you play your Saturn Classic in December.
(7) Keio Flying Squadron II
An excellent 2D platformer that doesn't exist anywhere else. It's completely mad, and very representative of the some of the madness of the era.
(8) Guardian Heroes
An excellent fighting adventure game with a breadth of characters, multiple story pathways, fantastic mechanics, brilliant music and art, it's a masterpiece.
(9) Saturn Bomberman
The best version of Bomberman of the era, and still one of the best to this day. The single player campaign is wonderful and driven by deranged cutscenes. The multiplayer is magnificent.
(10) Sonic Jam
The "easy" modes, the Sonic Museum, the various extras, it's a unique entity unto itself and must be included.
(11) Die Hard Arcade
A popular classic, immensely playable.
(12) Baku Baku Animal
Fiercely addictive unique puzzler.
(13) Radiant Silvergun
An excellent inclusion and representation for its genre.
(14) Sega Rally
An iconic classic. People would be puzzled if it was absent.
(15) Daytona USA
Same reason as above
(16) Shining the Holy Ark
An unforgiving and immersive JRPG from a unique first-person perspective.
(17) Marvel Super Heroes vs Street Fighter
A brilliant 2D brawler realised brilliantly on the Saturn.
(18) Panzer Dragoon Zwei
Another classic, and distinct enough from its sequel to warrant inclusion.
(19) Duke Nukem 3D (with Death Tank Zwei)
A brilliant port of a classic. Its inclusion would be an unexpected surprise, plus Death Tank II – one of the best multiplayer games of all time.
(20) Virtua Fighter 2
An iconic game that has to be included.
Addendum – Sega must also sell a multi-tap addition that is compatible with USB controllers/Saturn controllers. Three of the games on this list include expansive numbers of players (Guardian Heroes – six players; Death Tank Zwei – Seven players; Saturn Bomberman – ten players), this opportunity should not be missed. There is nothing in the market offering 6+ local gameplay support on a single HDTV.
If SEGA did this - and made smart choices regarding software inclusion (and didn't just pick the same select re-released games again), then I'd pre-order, purchase and cherish,
The Saturn had such a diversity of software that it's not hard to come up with a selection of twenty games that cover so many genres.
Some key titles have been re-released time and again, and a Saturn Classic would be an opportunity to give attention to the forgotten classics.
(1) Exhumed
One of the best FPS of all time, on the console with the best version. 3D Metroidvania done so very well.
(2) Dark Saviour
An engrossing and very unique action adventure. The parallel system – in which replays take place in divergent alternate universes – is a USP that most of the industry ignored.
(3) Shining Force III
A legendary JRPG. Bonus points for including the sequel discs as part of the package.
(4) Panzer Dragoon Saga
There is no more paramount title that must be included. Sega's magnum opus.
(5) Fighters Megamix
A fighting mash up which is engaging, clever and very fun.
(6) NiGHTS
A must include – points, combo, score-based level progression with gargantuan bosses. Turns into Christmas NiGHTS if you play your Saturn Classic in December.
(7) Keio Flying Squadron II
An excellent 2D platformer that doesn't exist anywhere else. It's completely mad, and very representative of the some of the madness of the era.
(8) Guardian Heroes
An excellent fighting adventure game with a breadth of characters, multiple story pathways, fantastic mechanics, brilliant music and art, it's a masterpiece.
(9) Saturn Bomberman
The best version of Bomberman of the era, and still one of the best to this day. The single player campaign is wonderful and driven by deranged cutscenes. The multiplayer is magnificent.
(10) Sonic Jam
The "easy" modes, the Sonic Museum, the various extras, it's a unique entity unto itself and must be included.
(11) Die Hard Arcade
A popular classic, immensely playable.
(12) Baku Baku Animal
Fiercely addictive unique puzzler.
(13) Radiant Silvergun
An excellent inclusion and representation for its genre.
(14) Sega Rally
An iconic classic. People would be puzzled if it was absent.
(15) Daytona USA
Same reason as above
(16) Shining the Holy Ark
An unforgiving and immersive JRPG from a unique first-person perspective.
(17) Marvel Super Heroes vs Street Fighter
A brilliant 2D brawler realised brilliantly on the Saturn.
(18) Panzer Dragoon Zwei
Another classic, and distinct enough from its sequel to warrant inclusion.
(19) Duke Nukem 3D (with Death Tank Zwei)
A brilliant port of a classic. Its inclusion would be an unexpected surprise, plus Death Tank II – one of the best multiplayer games of all time.
(20) Virtua Fighter 2
An iconic game that has to be included.
Addendum – Sega must also sell a multi-tap addition that is compatible with USB controllers/Saturn controllers. Three of the games on this list include expansive numbers of players (Guardian Heroes – six players; Death Tank Zwei – Seven players; Saturn Bomberman – ten players), this opportunity should not be missed. There is nothing in the market offering 6+ local gameplay support on a single HDTV.
If SEGA did this - and made smart choices regarding software inclusion (and didn't just pick the same select re-released games again), then I'd pre-order, purchase and cherish,
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I demand Astra Superstars, Twinkle Star Sprites, Saturn Bomberman
And either Shinobi or Shinrei Jusatsushi Tarōmaru
And either Shinobi or Shinrei Jusatsushi Tarōmaru
Needs to have Christmas Nights too, maybe not as separate entry taking a slot of the 20 or whatever games but as an option when launching Nights.
Maybe do similar for Decathlete/Winter Heat although that's a different scenario.
And definitely put PowerSlave/Exhumed there.
Maybe do GunGriffon 1 & 2 double pack as well (2 never launched in English before so, do it).
Same for Dragon Force 1 & 2!
And do take the opportunity to give SFIII-2 & SFIII-3 translations for this, maybe retranslate the first too!
As well as many more previously Japan-only games we never got. I'd have no idea where to start with suggestions outside Princess Crown & Radiant Silvergun!
Maybe do similar for Decathlete/Winter Heat although that's a different scenario.
And definitely put PowerSlave/Exhumed there.
Maybe do GunGriffon 1 & 2 double pack as well (2 never launched in English before so, do it).
Same for Dragon Force 1 & 2!
And do take the opportunity to give SFIII-2 & SFIII-3 translations for this, maybe retranslate the first too!
As well as many more previously Japan-only games we never got. I'd have no idea where to start with suggestions outside Princess Crown & Radiant Silvergun!
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Although I'm sure that Saturn (+4mb RAM cart) could've handled an arcade-perfect release of MvC, I assume you mean Marvel Super Heroes vs Street Fighter
Sega Saturn with the multitap 6 controllers Fire Pro Wrestling and 4 player Winter Heat was the best......I have it all still except the system is broke. Guess iam going on Ebay now because now i want to set this up
All the classic consoles so far use software emulation, you don't need the source code for that.
Sega Rally
Panzer Dragoon Zwei
Panzer Dragoon Saga
Shining Force III Parts 1-3
Guardian Heroes
radient Silvergun
Virtua Fighter 2
Fighters Megamix
Last Bronx
Virtual On
Nights
Burning Rangers
Street Fighter Alpha 3
Xmen vs Street Fighter
Decathalete
Saturn Bomberman
Dragon Force
Baku Baku Animal
Grandia
Mr. Bones
Panzer Dragoon Zwei
Panzer Dragoon Saga
Shining Force III Parts 1-3
Guardian Heroes
radient Silvergun
Virtua Fighter 2
Fighters Megamix
Last Bronx
Virtual On
Nights
Burning Rangers
Street Fighter Alpha 3
Xmen vs Street Fighter
Decathalete
Saturn Bomberman
Dragon Force
Baku Baku Animal
Grandia
Mr. Bones
Saturn Bomberman and Dragon Force would be in the first 5 games I would include easily. Also very little point in doing this without having the Shining Force 3 trilogy in English imo.
My list:
1. NiGhts into Dreams
2. Virtua Fighter 2
3. Shining Force 3 trilogy
4. Saturn Bomberman
5. Dragon Force
6-8. Panzer Dragoon Trilogy
9. Fighters Megamix
10. Street Fighter Alpha 2
11. X-Men vs Street Fighter
12. Burning Rangers
13. Shining the Holy Ark
14. Daytona Racing (forgot exact title)
15. Sonic 3d Blast or Jam
16. Sonic R
17. Guardian Heroes
18. Darius Gaiden
19. Radiant Silvergun
20. Megaman X4
Of course I am wrong because Virtual On has to be there and a few other prominent Sega games.
My list:
1. NiGhts into Dreams
2. Virtua Fighter 2
3. Shining Force 3 trilogy
4. Saturn Bomberman
5. Dragon Force
6-8. Panzer Dragoon Trilogy
9. Fighters Megamix
10. Street Fighter Alpha 2
11. X-Men vs Street Fighter
12. Burning Rangers
13. Shining the Holy Ark
14. Daytona Racing (forgot exact title)
15. Sonic 3d Blast or Jam
16. Sonic R
17. Guardian Heroes
18. Darius Gaiden
19. Radiant Silvergun
20. Megaman X4
Of course I am wrong because Virtual On has to be there and a few other prominent Sega games.
I wouldn't put Daytona and any other horrible ports. Maybe House of the Dead horriport (and Virtua Cop duology!) would be acceptable if the thing came with a nice functioning gun though, maybe they can buy all of Nintendo's leftover Wiimotes and repurpose the innards for them :P
Add Policenauts to the list of gun games too :P
Add Policenauts to the list of gun games too :P
Soukyugurenta, Exhumed, Battle Garrega, RSG, Panzer Dragon, Panzer Dragoon Zwei, Virtual Cop, Darrius, Gadien, Die Hard Arcade, Gun Griffon, Grandia, Last Bronx, Fighting MegaMix, Astal, Layered Section, Decathlete, Winter Heat, Sega Rally, NiGHTS/Christmas Nights, Steep Slope Sliders.. Is what I like to see
Took OPs list and made some edits. US Release in mind.
- Virtua Fighter 2
- Fighters Megamix
- SEGA Rally Championship 1995 Plus
- Panzer Dragoon Zwei
- Panzer Dragoon Saga
- NiGHTs into dreams... + Christmas NiGHTS
- Burning Rangers
- Shining Force III
- Clockwork Knight
- Sonic Jam (lol)
- Virtual On
- Baku Baku
- Steep Slope Sliders
3rd party - Street Fighter Alpha 2
- Mega Man 8 (w classic Bonus Bosses)
- Galactic Attack
- Darius Gaiden
- Saturn Bomberman
- Guardian Heroes
- Dragon Force
Panzer Dragoon Saga
Shining Force 3
Burning Rangers
Dragon Force
Shining the Holy Arc
Guardian Heroes
Manx TT Superbike
Legend of Oasis
Sonic R
Nights into Dreams
Baku Baku
Struggling to think of others actually worth it. I loved my Saturn but the game line up was pretty slim...
Shining Force 3
Burning Rangers
Dragon Force
Shining the Holy Arc
Guardian Heroes
Manx TT Superbike
Legend of Oasis
Sonic R
Nights into Dreams
Baku Baku
Struggling to think of others actually worth it. I loved my Saturn but the game line up was pretty slim...
GOOD LUCK GETTING A SATURN EMULATOR TO WORK ON SOMETHING THAT RETAILS FOR VERY CHEAP
I'd rather have that than X4 because the Saturn version has Wood Man/Cut Man and the better Tengu Man theme.
Thanks, I could use some luck right about now, will it only apply to my (non existent) emulation efforts though?
No idea how the Saturn emus perform on devices like androids these days but I've noticed little difference to other emus of the era on the last decade of PCs so.
What the fuck, Era? It took 121 posts for someone to mention the Sega Saturn GOAT Steep Slope Sliders? You're all dead to me.
Except you two. You're good people.
Saturn emulation is... not in a great place right now. It's still harder than stuff like PS1 and Dreamcast because it's emulating like... I think 8 different CPUs? There's some stuff like Yabause out there that's doing work, but even it isn't nearly as close to perfect as good PS1/N64/etc emulators can be.
It's been fine since SSF matured with the odd non compatible or error prone game, mednafen is great as well especially considering it's way newer, N64 certainly ain't perfect either, not that any mini console does it perfect to think that would be a requirement by SEGA. I'm just not sure how they perform on lesser than PC platforms like Android like I said, if any of them are ported even (I'm pretty sure some are but I dunno if they're the good ones and if the ports are good). The only time I remember serious issues with Saturn emulation is way back when people were working with hacked GiriGiri emulator versions from some defunct commercial project (maybe that time Sega tried to publish Saturn games in some online service and they hired the developers of GiriGiri). Ancient history by now, Saturn emulation has been great as noted by DF Retro too.
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It's not just the super tiny sprites, it's the lack of levels. 8 player has dozens of levels to choose from
I'd actually buy this one even if I own most of the best Saturn games already (including PDS).
Panzer Dragoon Saga for $99 anyone?
Edit: I'd definitely have those at least:
Panzer Dragoon Saga for $99 anyone?
Edit: I'd definitely have those at least:
- Panzer Dragoon Saga
- Panzer Dragoon
- Panzer Dragoon Zwei
- Guardian Heroes
- Shining Force 3 (and scenarios 2 and 3 if we're localizing them... because why not, we're dreaming)
- NiGHTs Into Dreams
- Legend of Oasis
- Powerslave
- Shining the Holy Ark
- Burning Rangers
- Vampire Savior
- Radiant Silvergun
- Dragon Force
- Astal
- Galactic Attack
I have a generally low opinion on the Saturn's library but I would buy a classic in a heartbeat.
Saturn Bomberman and Radiant Silvergun are probably my two favourite Saturn games.
Other than that, yeah this list is sold. The Saturn was a weird console, but damn if it didn't have its moments.
Other than that, yeah this list is sold. The Saturn was a weird console, but damn if it didn't have its moments.
The thing is a lot of consoles I would consider to have bad libraries would make for great "classic" consoles. You can focus on the diamonds in the rough for shovelware-heavy consoles, and you can focus on the rare highlights of consoles with barren libraries.
This is a huge dilemma. A Daytona would be obvious but both saturn versions are disapointing, especially now. (Sega rally is still decent)
Would you prefere a straight saturn emulation, an arcade port or a enhanced saturn version with no clipping ? Era ?
1- Panzer Dragoon Saga
2- Panzer Dragoon Zwei
3- Panzer Dragoon
4- Shining Force 3 (all scenarios)
5- NiGHTS into Dreams
6- Burning Rangers
7- Virtua Fighter 2
8- Fighters Megamix
9- Last Bronx
10- Dynamite Deka
11-Guardian Heroes
12-SEGA Rally Championship
13-Dragon Force
14-The House of the Dead
15-Virtua Cop 2
16-Virtual On
17-Bomberman
18-Sakura Wars
19-Skaura Wars 2
20-Radiant Silvergun
2- Panzer Dragoon Zwei
3- Panzer Dragoon
4- Shining Force 3 (all scenarios)
5- NiGHTS into Dreams
6- Burning Rangers
7- Virtua Fighter 2
8- Fighters Megamix
9- Last Bronx
10- Dynamite Deka
11-Guardian Heroes
12-SEGA Rally Championship
13-Dragon Force
14-The House of the Dead
15-Virtua Cop 2
16-Virtual On
17-Bomberman
18-Sakura Wars
19-Skaura Wars 2
20-Radiant Silvergun
Dragon Force, Albert Odyssey, and Burning Rangers. Put whatever else you want on it because only those 3 matter to me.
Take out that Decathelete game (never heard of it, might be great) for Legend of Oasis and you got yourself a deal.
Very nice picks and yeah Saturn is well worth of a classic console.
As long as Daytona, Virtua Fighter, and SEGA rally are in I'm down. Everything else would just be (awesome) bonus.
As long as Daytona, Virtua Fighter, and SEGA rally are in I'm down. Everything else would just be (awesome) bonus.
Sega can't even get a decent mini Genesis/ MD out the door, I have little hope that they could get a Saturn Mini. Sega generally seems to ignore the Saturn as a whole, outside of a few token games. They would have to find a decent software developer to make a Saturn emulator that can run well on ARM based hardware. It would be easier for them to make a Dreamcast mini than a Saturn Mini.
I guess my list would be...
Panzer Dragoon
Panzer Dragoon 2
Panzer Dragoon Saga
NiGHTS into Dreams (include Christmas NiGHTS as a bonus that unlocks every December on the system clock)
Burning Rangers
Fighting Vipers
Virtua Fighter 2
Fighters Mega Mix
Sega Rally (assuming they can get the licenses for the cars) or maybe Daytona CE?
Virtua Cop 2
Astal
BUG!
Clockwork Knight 2
Guardian Heroes
Radiant Silvergun
Dark Savior
Shining Force III (or Shining in the Holy Ark)
Decathalete or Winter Heat (gotta add some kind of sports game, but the licensed ones would be excluded)
One of the Capcom 2D fighters (gotta represent this machines 2D fighter heritage)
Sonic Jam, Sonic R, Saturn Bomberman, Shinobi Legions/ X ... pick one at random?
This would be an awesome choice as well, especially with the Death Tank mini game. But there are issues with the rights for this one. Night Dive Studios tried to release a port of the PS1 version for PC and had issues securing the rights.
I guess my list would be...
Panzer Dragoon
Panzer Dragoon 2
Panzer Dragoon Saga
NiGHTS into Dreams (include Christmas NiGHTS as a bonus that unlocks every December on the system clock)
Burning Rangers
Fighting Vipers
Virtua Fighter 2
Fighters Mega Mix
Sega Rally (assuming they can get the licenses for the cars) or maybe Daytona CE?
Virtua Cop 2
Astal
BUG!
Clockwork Knight 2
Guardian Heroes
Radiant Silvergun
Dark Savior
Shining Force III (or Shining in the Holy Ark)
Decathalete or Winter Heat (gotta add some kind of sports game, but the licensed ones would be excluded)
One of the Capcom 2D fighters (gotta represent this machines 2D fighter heritage)
Sonic Jam, Sonic R, Saturn Bomberman, Shinobi Legions/ X ... pick one at random?
This would be an awesome choice as well, especially with the Death Tank mini game. But there are issues with the rights for this one. Night Dive Studios tried to release a port of the PS1 version for PC and had issues securing the rights.
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It's happening though. Hopefully it's gonna be the Saturn version though (or both, I know the creator's original effort was the PS1 version).
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