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Aug 26, 2018
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Kind of crazy to see an NPD thread at JUST 10 pages. Guess bad news sells more, threads back in the Gaf days and even early on here used to go to 50-100 pages.

Happy to see good numbers for all of them though.
 

Bunkles

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Oct 26, 2017
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Kind of crazy to see an NPD thread at JUST 10 pages. Guess bad news sells more, threads back in the Gaf days and even early on here used to go to 50-100 pages.

Happy to see good numbers for all of them though.

Yup everything is selling too close for any doom narrative to form and not many surprises in terms of software this month.

It seems to two biggest things people will be watching for is Switch vs PS4 this holiday and if Switch hits that 20 million by March (?). So Nov/Dec NPDs will most likely be epic.
 

donny2112

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Oct 27, 2017
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POS cards are defined as "Game Cards" and are aggregated within "Accessories and Game Cards" in the reporting. POS/Game Cards can include everything from digital credit on eShop, PSN, Xbox through WoW subscription cards and Gold subscription cards and everything else digital that is sold via a Game Card.

So on XB1, if Call of Duty: WW2 was sold as a POS card in a store, those dollars would go into the Accessories bucket. Then when the game is redeemed on the XB1, the digital unit sale for Call of Duty: WW2 would be added to with a revenue addition of $0, since Activision is part of the digital panel. Does that accurately reflect the process?

Thanks for the details!
 

brykuhn91

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'm not sure if this is the right thread for this question, but how will sales of Smash Ultimate be counted that come with the bundle releasing in November? Will they counted in the November NPD, or will they not be counted because they are digital?
 

donny2112

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'm not sure if this is the right thread for this question, but how will sales of Smash Ultimate be counted that come with the bundle releasing in November? Will they counted in the November NPD, or will they not be counted because they are digital?
Nintendo does not report digital sales, so the game sales will not show up via digital sales in NPD until Nintendo changes that stance. The bundle itself will be tracked separately by NPD under the hardware report, but that separate SKU's individual sales will only be available to subscribers.
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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So on XB1, if Call of Duty: WW2 was sold as a POS card in a store, those dollars would go into the Accessories bucket. Then when the game is redeemed on the XB1, the digital unit sale for Call of Duty: WW2 would be added to with a revenue addition of $0, since Activision is part of the digital panel. Does that accurately reflect the process?

So. If someone goes into Best Buy or whatever and buys a $100 Xbox Marketplace card, or a game branded Game Card that contains $100 in generic digital credit, that sale is compiled and reported on within the Game Card bucket in the monthly reporting.

However, if that same person then goes home, punches in the code, and then uses some of that credit to buy COD:WWII on Xbox One, then that sale unit and value is compiled and reported on as a Digital Full Game sale in Software and used in determining sales rankings for COD:WWII.

Then, you'll say, well isn't that double counting? Potentially. However, since we do not report on MTX/DLC spending in digital in the monthly release, and since we do not have permission to report on digital full game sales outside of the Digital Leader Panel on Steam, PSN and XBX, even with that potential double counting we are coming nowhere near reporting on total market digital in the monthly release.

Now, with the total market reporting we do from the Games Market Dynamics report, and like we released recently for 1H total spending, we strip out all of the Game Card sales and classify it appropriately, and then we model out the rest of the market to avoid all double counting.

Gets way more complicated than one would assume I think.
 

donny2112

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Gets way more complicated than one would assume I think.
Okay. So it's an accepted error in the double-reporting (only on POS game cards actually used for their respective game) on the monthly values to partially offset the missing microtransaction/DLC revenue. Then, for the full picture, the GMD report removes that error, as it's now accurately reflecting MTX/DLC revenue, so doesn't need the partial offset from game cards. Sort of an early value with expected error to have some data available to subsribers sooner, and then it's formalized with better accuracy with the quarterly reports. Correct?

Good to know! Thanks for the behinds-the-scenes explanations. (^_^)
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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The Fortnite bundle is going to have a shipment of 18.000 units at launch day in France. I know it's not the US but since the markets are similar for that kind of game it might provide a clue as to how big Nintendo expects this bundle to be.
For the comparison, the Pokémon Let's Go Pikachu/ Let's Go Eevee bundles will have 20.000 units each at launch day (total of 40 000). Smash Bros. Ultimate console bundle will have a launch shipment of 30.000 units. Last year, the Super Mario Odyssey bundle had nothing less than 50.000 units at launch. The Splatoon 2 bundle had 15.000 units at launch.
So, in terms of popularity all bundles included and excluding the Mario Tennis + 1-2-Switch bundle (that is exclusive to the US), we have in the ranking of importance Splatoon 2 < Fortnite < Smash Bros Ultimate < Pokémon Let's Go (combined) < Mario Odyssey.
 

Delusibeta

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Oct 26, 2017
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Well, that's the first time I've seen a) a late PC port and b) a free weekend propel games up the NPDs. Both of them landing in the top five to boot. Madden doing unually well, and the PS4 vs Switch's battle for "winning" 2018 continues to intensify. With that said, the bottom line appears to be "everyone is doing very well". I blame Fortnite for all this positivity.
 

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Okay. So it's an accepted error in the double-reporting (only on POS game cards actually used for their respective game) on the monthly values to partially offset the missing microtransaction/DLC revenue. Then, for the full picture, the GMD report removes that error, as it's now accurately reflecting MTX/DLC revenue, so doesn't need the partial offset from game cards. Sort of an early value with expected error to have some data available to subsribers sooner, and then it's formalized with better accuracy with the quarterly reports. Correct?

Good to know! Thanks for the behinds-the-scenes explanations. (^_^)

This is the basic idea, yes.
 

Nocturnal

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Oct 25, 2017
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50% off titles when buying a Switch at Target
Nintendo Switch Neon system with Mario Tennis Aces and 1+2 Switch for $359 at Walmart

How much did Switch sell last year in September?
 

boi

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Nov 1, 2017
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Modern Warfare 2, no remaster, no remake, not re-released, tops the charts again after 9 years.
 

jroc74

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Oct 27, 2017
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Kind of crazy to see an NPD thread at JUST 10 pages. Guess bad news sells more, threads back in the Gaf days and even early on here used to go to 50-100 pages.

Happy to see good numbers for all of them though.
I think it's just dull news, lol.

Everybody waiting for record breaking Spidey and PS4 sales. It says something when the most talked about thing right now is a game that won't show up on the NPD charts until next month.

It was more excitement when Octopath was the #1 software. We waiting for omg moments, lol.
 

KillerMan91

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Oct 25, 2017
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Second august for different consoles:

PS2: 455K
Wii: 453K
X360: 277K
DS: 268K
GBA: 268K
PS4: 209K
Switch: 206K
XBO: 202K
PS3: 185K
3DS: 177K
PSP: 147K
Xbox: 146K
GC: 100K
WiiU: 60K
Vita: close to 30K
 

pswii60

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Oct 27, 2017
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Kind of crazy to see an NPD thread at JUST 10 pages. Guess bad news sells more, threads back in the Gaf days and even early on here used to go to 50-100 pages.

Happy to see good numbers for all of them though.
When we had those NPD threads, we had far more detail on numbers, and the total install bases of all the consoles were much closer which made for a far more interesting battle every month. PSP vs DS was also a thing.

But now we get limited information, trying to piece things together via leaks and percentage gains on previous leaks etc. And there's no chance of Switch or XBO even slightly catching up with PS4 at this point. Well, Switch has the potential to eventually but PS5 will long be out by then. It will get far more interesting again when PS5/XBV launch.
 

hussien-11

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Oct 27, 2017
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That Fortnite Switch bundle is going to sell like crazy. I was wondering why they didn't do that at the release of the game but now I know why, they were saving this move for the last quarter, which is smart to be honest.
 

Slam Tilt

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Jan 16, 2018
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That Fortnite Switch bundle is going to sell like crazy. I was wondering why they didn't do that at the release of the game but now I know why, they were saving this move for the last quarter, which is smart to be honest.
I gotta agree with MatPiscatella , though, that Nintendo could have dropped that back in June. Just sticking a four-second blurb about the bundle at the end of the Fortnite trailer would have tremendously improved perception of Nintendo's E3 presentation.
 

hussien-11

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I gotta agree with MatPiscatella , though, that Nintendo could have dropped that back in June. Just sticking a four-second blurb about the bundle at the end of the Fortnite trailer would have tremendously improved perception of Nintendo's E3 presentation.

I agree, but Nintendo's strategy for this year seemed to focus on the last quarter heavily. they wanted to build momentum before Pokemon/Super Smash Ultimate.
 

khamakazee

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Oct 27, 2017
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A few things really stand out for me.
-Nintendo continues to show why they are able to keep prices high on its software
-Year to year growth is great to see
-I continue to be mystified why August is so empty for big titles.
 

Benji

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's almost time to enter the bunker. It's been fun ya'll, see you on the other side

 

Liabe Brave

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'm confused. The Switch sold far more last December than it did during its launch month.
Sorry I wasn't clear, I wasn't talking absolute numbers but for specific months of the year. So I called Switch's launch "historically huge" because it's the highest March number ever. And yes, they sold considerably more than that in December, but for December that isn't surprising, and they didn't make history. Just PS4 and Xbox One alone have had 3 higher Decembers between them, and there's plenty more from other systems.

PS4 has totaled 6m+ units in its 5 Decembers, and even last year's perceived "$100 price hike" month did over a million. So it seems Switch would need at least 1.9m, and maybe more, to exceed PS4 by 900k in just December, which donny2112 feels is possible. But the only machines to ever do that much in a December are PS2, Wii, GBA, and DS, and in 2018 Switch has not been selling anywhere near as fast as those in the comparable months. Therefore, I disagree that Switch could beat PS4 by 900k in just December.

However, I also think it won't have to--the gap won't be that big. Therefore, I do think Switch will end up selling more in 2018 than PS4. (But it's not an inevitability.)

I'll restate the discussion in brief so hopefully my impetus is clearer. During the talk about BC games re-appearing in the charts, you indicated that they don't appear on the platform-specific lists for the current system since technically their platform is the previous gen. Which makes sense--that's when the SKU was released, and it isn't re-released. On the other hand, you and RexNovis suggested that with BC likely being more ubiquitous next gen, it might be helpful to include such titles in the current-gen platform lists too.

I made two arguments against this. First, the fact that only two Call of Duty games have charted via BC suggests that only the very biggest games will do so (and not necessarily all of them). Coupled with the likelihood that next-gen BC will be complete from day one, rather than adding titles piecemeal and thus concentrating new sales, that'd mean the current-gen platform-specific lists would rarely be changed by the inclusion of BC titles. We'd still get 10 titles per platform, just with one different on some rare occasions. ("Altering [your] methods of presenting the same data we have now.")

Rather, I thought it'd be "truly new and interesting data" if we got both current-gen and previous-gen platform-specific lists instead. I didn't state, but I was imagining, that the indices on the previous-gen lists would not be 1 to 10, but their putative positions if they were put on the current-gen list. So for example, this month would look something like this for Microsoft:

Xbox One

1. Madden NFL 19
2. Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Siege
3. Grand Theft Auto V
4. Playerunknown's Battlegrounds
5. Crash Bandicoot: N. Sane Trilogy
6. Overwatch
7. Naruto To Boruto: Shinobi Striker
8. Far Cry 5
9. Call of Duty: WWII
10. Star Wars: Battlefront II 2017

Xbox 360

2. Madden NFL 19
4. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
29. Grand Theft Auto V
156. NBA 2K18
179. Just Dance 2018
236. FIFA 18
293. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3
320. Destiny
338. Call of Duty: Black Ops II
409. LEGO Dimensions


Ok, thanks. Hard to find the dates covered for previous years tracking period. Nice to know that those months are always 5 weeks.
This is pretty standard for retail businesses (which games were until the recent digital revolution), to regularize number of weekends per period and per quarter. NPD uses a "4-4-5" style, so each period has that number of weeks, then the quarter begins again. There's also a "4-5-4" style in common use (I've not worked with any companies using "5-4-4", but it could happen). However, 52 weeks only adds up to 364 days (plus there's leap years), so the exact dates drift against the calendar. Every so often, NPD has to have an extra 5-week period to stop the drift. This January was one such "leap period"; the last one was 2013. I believe they always do them in January, but I'm not sure.

It still has Zelda, Kart, and Odyssey.
And a metric ton of indie releases. Not all of them are doing as well as the signature titles that get noticed by core gamers, but the sheer number of them means Switch has a very extensive library already.
 
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Benji

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Some called him Niche-Man and said he couldn't sell
Others made crazy predictions because their hype they could not quell
Some said that the God of War could never be undone
And others that his eulogy song had already been sung
But I cant help but wonder if a new record or not is important at the end of the day
Because it's the journey that matters, and the friends we made along the way
 

Cess007

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Oct 27, 2017
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Some called him Niche-Man and said he couldn't sell
Others made crazy predictions because their hype they could not quell
Some said that the God of War could never be undone
And others that his eulogy song had already been sung
But I cant help but wonder if a new record or not is important at the end of the day
Because it's the journey that matters, and the friends we made along the way

LMAO you are enjoying this hahahaa
 

janusff

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Oct 25, 2017
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Some called him Niche-Man and said he couldn't sell
Others made crazy predictions because their hype they could not quell
Some said that the God of War could never be undone
And others that his eulogy song had already been sung
But I cant help but wonder if a new record or not is important at the end of the day
Because it's the journey that matters, and the friends we made along the way
Beautiful.
 

DMVfan123

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's almost time to enter the bunker. It's been fun ya'll, see you on the other side


Some called him Niche-Man and said he couldn't sell
Others made crazy predictions because their hype they could not quell
Some said that the God of War could never be undone
And others that his eulogy song had already been sung
But I cant help but wonder if a new record or not is important at the end of the day
Because it's the journey that matters, and the friends we made along the way
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Before the numbers come out, I'd just like ERA to know that I was one of the 47 people to predict more than 20 million units in the sales betting thread