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NVIDIA RTX 20 Series Reviews
- Thread starter Mecha Meister
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I wonder what the video card market would look like if AMD had used GDDR5.
Lol, I don't think so, I'm not Fatal1ty :P
I get a "free" 2080ti at work though, but sadly just for doing work on it.
DLSS was tested by a few sites, but only in FF15 and UE4 Infiltrator.
In FF15, DLSS is ~30% faster while also looking better according to most reports (!).
In Infiltrator, DLSS is ~40% faster, but doesn't look as good as native resolution rendering.
It seems like it will have to be investigated per-game. And then there's also the question of what the quality comparison looks like if you e.g. DSR from a 40% higher resolution in Infiltrator for the same performance result.
Sure, if you want the last few percent of performance/noise then the most massive third party GPU is the way to go. But the high-end third party cards like the EVGA seem to have literally twice the heatsink volume this time around -- I actually think this might be because the level of performance/noise offered by the FE forces them to go all in.
IMHO, the FE is an actual option now and not just something you buy since you don't have another choice.
On an entirely subjective not, I also think it looks way better than any other announced card. It has something of an "industrial" styling and build quality compared to the gamer bling of the partner cards.
What do you mean?
It's slower than the larger cards at raytracing, just like it is slower at everything else. But the ratio of RT cores (and Tensor cores for that matter) to everything else is the same as on the larger cards.
Well, those aren't the only options, if the 1080 Ti/2080 prices are an issue, a 1080 tier card (I guess 2070 will end up around that tier of performance?) would still be a huge upgrade over a 970.
Well, looks like I'll be waiting for 7nm or whatever is around when Cyberpunk finally comes out. Also I'm still annoyed that Nvidia is out here talking about RTX, RTX, RTX, while HDR is still an unreliable nightmare where you have to spend hours Googling different Nvidia control panel settings to get it working, maybe, if you're lucky. And no one wants to take any responsibility for it, Nvidia blames Microsoft and Microsoft blames Nvidia.
Either a cheap 1080 TI or holding out for AMD to compete. A 2 year old 1080 is probably a fine upgrade from a 970, but really doesn't feel worth it to me for much they still cost.
970 was such a great value that it's difficult to upgrade from it for anything close to what we originally paid in price/performance.
Yes, but a 1080Ti will give you the same performance, for a lower price. As you plan on getting a 30x0 card anyway saving money now, while getting the same performance makes sense to me.
Just a reminder: You'll need a strong CPU alongside your 1080Ti/2080 to be able to play at very high frame-rates, even at 1440p and very high settings. My 7700k (4.7GHz) is bottlenecking my 1080Ti at 1440p often enough (unlocked FPS). Getting a 1080Ti and investing the "saved" money into a new CPU might be the better alternative for you (depending on what CPU you are currently using).
That's 100% false. People on high FPS setups are also looking at it, especially as new intel CPUs are on the horizon.
Damn i was sad to not be able to get my XFi working with my current modo :'( I loved plugging my amplifier in there, fine fine card and expansion slot, full size jacks are nonexistent nowadays in consumer grade hardware (at least where i shop for parts).
Aaaanyway... i hope the mesh shaders will be fun to handle.
https://devblogs.nvidia.com/introduction-turing-mesh-shaders/
I haven't click on all the review links, but I take it all of today's reviews are for the Founders Editions only? If so, does anyone know when we can expect reviews for third-party cards?
Jayztwocents & GamerNexus has EVGA benchmark numbers along with the FE cards.
970 owner here. I use VR, and I'm either getting a 1080 TI or 2080 TI when it actually hits retail prices. I dunno. Specific 1080 TI I'm looking at is a refurb:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...44530&cm_re=1080ti-_-9SIADFR8044530-_-Product
I'll be travelling for a few weeks soon so I won't be ordering anything to leave on my porch to get stolen, so I'm solidly in "wait and see" mode.
Kinda thinking my 4 ghz Ryzen 1700 would gimp me for high FPS on a 2080ti anyway. It's a good CPU but it's not the best for gaming.
Computerbase said they already have 4 third party cards, they are just constrained by testing time, so the reviews should turn up soon.
TechPowerUp is working on reviews for some 3rd party cards, here is a list:
Sure, I will add "in my opinion" then, I'm too old to get baited by people on the internet. :)
Kinda curious on opinions. I'm using a ryzen 1700(OC to 4 ghz) with a 970, so I'm completely GPU limited atm. My monitor is a 1080p 144hz g-sync monitor dual-screening with my 4k tv(Sometimes) which gets a max of 60 FPS, but I mostly use my monitor for games so I'm mostly doing 1080p. I do use VR, though. I'm wondering how much my CPU will hold me back with a 2080TI, and if it's even worth it over a 1080ti at 1080p 144 hz. Thoughts?
Oh god dammit, why did they price & performance have to make my decision so difficult this time around. Going to be replacing my GTX 970s in SLI on a 1440p/144Hz g-sync and I can't decide between 2080 or 1080 Ti (not buying used). Or I could just say fuck it and get a 2080 Ti with my Best Buy card to pay for it over 12 months without interest when they get more in.
The Strix doesn't look overly large compared to the EVGA and sits at 10DB quieter than the 2080TI FE in silent mode.... while still hitting 73 degrees max.
What games? My 980ti could push 1440p 60 fps on almost anything and topped out at 100 fps or so in games like Fortnite or Destiny 2 or Overwatch.
For you, at 1440p unless DLSS profiles for said games come out, the 1080 Ti will be a better value than going for a 2080 now. 2080 Ti seems like it'd be overkill at 1440p 60/120 and by the next gen you could have even better cards.
I'm on a high FPS ultrawide setup and I am awaiting a 2080 Ti.
Head room is head room.
So, after watching and reading a bunch of reviews, the conclusions I'm drawing:
1) RTX doesn't exist yet.
2) Turing fixes the one weakness Pascal had; games that uses async compute seems to be the biggest beneficiaries of these new cards
3) Both of these cards are very much 4k only cards, and the 2070 will probably be the 1440p pick.
4) The 2080 delivers 1080Ti performance for 1080Ti's RRP, which is a problem because the 2080 is selling for more than RRP and the 1080Tis are all selling for less.
5) Nvidia will probably withdraw sales of the 1080Ti shortly, which makes 4) worse.
6) The 1080Ti is what the Titan V should have been, and is priced at what should have been the Titan V's price. Anyone who bought a Titan V got ripped off.
7) At the end of the day, I totally going to have to upgrade my monitor before I consider a new GPU, and even then I'll probably wait until the next gen (or maybe hold out until HDMI 2.1 variable refresh monitors become commonplace. Hopefully by then PC HDR will be fixed by then).
1) RTX doesn't exist yet.
2) Turing fixes the one weakness Pascal had; games that uses async compute seems to be the biggest beneficiaries of these new cards
3) Both of these cards are very much 4k only cards, and the 2070 will probably be the 1440p pick.
4) The 2080 delivers 1080Ti performance for 1080Ti's RRP, which is a problem because the 2080 is selling for more than RRP and the 1080Tis are all selling for less.
5) Nvidia will probably withdraw sales of the 1080Ti shortly, which makes 4) worse.
6) The 1080Ti is what the Titan V should have been, and is priced at what should have been the Titan V's price. Anyone who bought a Titan V got ripped off.
7) At the end of the day, I totally going to have to upgrade my monitor before I consider a new GPU, and even then I'll probably wait until the next gen (or maybe hold out until HDMI 2.1 variable refresh monitors become commonplace. Hopefully by then PC HDR will be fixed by then).
Sorry if this is easy to find information but are there clear comparisons between manufacturers with respect to performance, sound and temperatures? Preordered the EVGA XC Ultra, but would be interesting to see how it compares to others.
Such poor value all around. The 2080 should have been $650-700 as the 1080 Ti replacement (ideally sub $600 but the larger die size precludes too cheap of pricing), and the 2080 Ti should have been around $900 base model so $950-1000 AIB partner versions. I understand due to the die size increase, prices had to go up, but $1200 is just ripping people off. But was the larger size die even warranted since the ray tracing tech is still very immature requiring 1080p 60 fps instead of 4k 60+ fps. Should have waited for 7nm and hopefully by then ray tracing hardware performance will have significantly improved beyond 1080p...
In what situations would the extra VRAM on the 1080Ti make it 'better' than the 2080? I'm leaning towards getting a 2080 for DLSS, but I'm curious if there would be instances where the 1080Ti would outperform the 2080 that aren't showing up in the games most benchmarks are using.
Look at current 1080 Ti benchmarks on said games and if they don't show promise of hitting 1440p/120+ then yeah, the 2080 Ti is the only option.
So they really should have released the 2080 as the 2070, and 2080 TI as vanilla 2080. This will be on par with previous generations, and then a true 2080 Ti comes out later.
But I guess since Nvidia wants money they bump up the nomenclature to make the card even more expensive than they should be.
But I guess since Nvidia wants money they bump up the nomenclature to make the card even more expensive than they should be.
In every game that needs more then 8gb of VRAM. But that shouldn't be the deciding factor tbh, those games will be more rare then DSLL games.
What's your CPU? I did see Hardware Unboxed did get CPU bottlenecked a bunch with their 1440p testing, and they're using the 8700k.
Thanks! Glad to see that the cards are actually out there for reviewers to look at. I'm hoping to see someone look at the new Gainward cards since I have one of their GTX 1080 Phoenix GS ones that I've been very pleased with, but it doesn't appear to be a brand with a very wide distribution.
Look at current 1080 Ti benchmarks on said games and if they don't show promise of hitting 1440p/120+ then yeah, the 2080 Ti is the only option.
Hot dang gimme a link cause I moved from a 4790k/980ti to an 8700k/2080 (soon) and that's still a bummer to get CPU bottlenecked at close to 5 GHz.
Basically this. Add in:
8)DLSS could be a big factor in improving performance on a 2080 compared to a 1080 Ti, but like RTX it's not there yet. You're taking a gamble on it.
Not yet, they're all new card designs so we'll see when reviews come out. Which should be in the next couple of days.
EVGA is typically solid though.
Multi monitor display situations, or situations where the resolution / texture quality requires a LOT more VRAM.
Past 6-8 GB, you're usually fine though. Digital Foundry did a good video showcasing the pros/cons of a faster 3 GB card vs a slower 4 GB card, but once you're at 8GB and up I don't see it being as much of an issue, even at 4K.
My write-up, if OP wants to add: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...-a-tale-of-two-very-expensive-graphics-cards/
A few things for those who think they've seen it all:
1) My article includes frame-by-frame comparisons of TAA and DLSS in the Infiltrator demo. (That was NOT easy to pull off, as there's no way to pause the demo for clear screen shots.)
2) I had to seek a new power supply while testing the 2080 Ti with a Vive Pro. If you think your system's 650W PSU will be sufficient, tread cautiously.
3) I focused primarily on aggressive 4K tests, because both the 2080 and 2080 Ti have 1440p/near-max on lock. Those aren't very telling tests, because they generally pass the processing buck to your CPU, with what they can muster. (NONE of my benchmarks included variable gameplay content. Every "in-game" benchmark used 100% repeatable sequences, like the openings of FFXV and Shadow of the Tomb Raider.)
A few things for those who think they've seen it all:
1) My article includes frame-by-frame comparisons of TAA and DLSS in the Infiltrator demo. (That was NOT easy to pull off, as there's no way to pause the demo for clear screen shots.)
2) I had to seek a new power supply while testing the 2080 Ti with a Vive Pro. If you think your system's 650W PSU will be sufficient, tread cautiously.
3) I focused primarily on aggressive 4K tests, because both the 2080 and 2080 Ti have 1440p/near-max on lock. Those aren't very telling tests, because they generally pass the processing buck to your CPU, with what they can muster. (NONE of my benchmarks included variable gameplay content. Every "in-game" benchmark used 100% repeatable sequences, like the openings of FFXV and Shadow of the Tomb Raider.)
My SFF Build with a Corsair SFX600 is gonna be mad at me :/
Does the 2080 push it as hard?
Yeah I don't get pricing... Fe is suppose to be more expensive than others, at least in the past, but every 2080 I see is over $750,most are $800.
Are they being price gouged atm?
Are they being price gouged atm?
I was hoping for a straightforward 2070 in the $300 range, seeing how that turned out I'm wondering what the hell the price and performance of the 2060 will be like. If they stick with the usual $200 range pricing for the 60 then there will be a hell of a price gap to the 2070. If the 60 ends up becoming the new 70 equivalent, selling around $300 with performance near a 1080, that would make the RTX 2070 seem like a worse value, so I don't think they'll go that way either.
I just want them to give me something that runs games at 1440p that isn't $500 (or two years old at full MSRP like the 1070).
Good, but worrisome, to know. I'm getting a 2080 and am on 650W, but Oculus drains even more... On the other hand I have clamped down voltages for USB in the BIOS because I was having voltage droop issues anyways. Also my CPU is lower TDP than you were probably testing.
I am seeing tests of the Asus Strix 2080 TI, and I've seen the official Asus product page for the Strix variant, but I have not seen it listed for sale at any retailer, out of stock or otherwise. I've already decided to get the card and I have the Asus Dual 2080 TI preordered at my local Microcenter (nice that you can preorder for in-store pickup with no money down, just in case it wasn't what I wanted), but has anyone seen the Strix 2080 TI for sale/preorder anywhere?
How worth it would it be to jump from a 1060 6gb to a regular 1080 in a few months? Should I go straight for a 1080 Ti instead? 1440/60 would be the goal for anything I currently own, with 1080p for anything releasing in 2019 being fine for me.
Yes! Multiple videos, in fact. The video I edited is already on YouTube but it's 4K and taking ages to resolve. The H264 file was 16gb. :X
Do you guys plan on releasing any VR benchmarks? Mildly curious to see if the 11GB 1080Ti has any advantages over the 2080. It's an interesting question simply because of how insanely high VR render resolutions can get.
Were you guys measuring power draw? Were you actually pulling close to 650 watts? Would have been interesting to see exactly how much it was pulling from the wall in this scenario.
I think there's some reason to give the benefit of the doubt. Even last gen, the boards with high quality cooling weren't really much cheaper. These cards are massive and a high quality cooling solution just gets even more expensive as a result.
There were some real crap blowers that eventually released around "MSRP", but you certainly couldn't use that garbage on cards that are drawing considerably more wattage. So I wouldn't expect there to be much price differences. Nor do I think they're really price gouging if they can't beat Nvidia by much.
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1080 Ti is the better choice imo. But the 1080 is fine for 1440p@60FPS and later 1080p@60FPS.
It also depends on which CPU you have, of course.
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