I was surprised how well they executed that scene. Felt very real.
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Marvel's Spider-Man Spoiler Thread [MAJOR UNMARKED SPOILERS]
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I was surprised how well they executed that scene. Felt very real.
One of my friends thought that he actually beat the game when he saw this.
Hey, guys, I briefly recall Insomniac saying that there's a story reason for Spidey's default costume. Never liked the costume but I'd really like to know the reason. So, if anyone can care to share, it would be much appreciated.
I don't have a PS4 and I'm not really interested in the game at the moment (even though I'm a Spider-Man fan, LOL).
Thanks.
I don't have a PS4 and I'm not really interested in the game at the moment (even though I'm a Spider-Man fan, LOL).
Thanks.
his og suit gets torn to shreds so Doc Ock helps him create a new suit
you can wear the og though any time
Playing through the game a second a time with knowledge of Harry's true fate makes the research station voicemails super sad
there isn't much of a reason as much as Spidey tears up his classic suit, goes to his job working for Dr. Octavius when he thinks Doc Oc is out so he can fix it. Doc Oc walks in, thinks Pete is fixing the costume for Spiderman, and gives him suggestions for the white part of the suit as an upgrade for defense or something using a specific material. Pete likes the design and creates it.
Thanks, guys! Much appreciated! :D
This scene and their relationship in general really hit hard for me as I'm going through something strikingly similar at the moment. I wasn't prepared for that level of real lmao.
Insomniac, if I recall correctly, said they didnt want to do Symbiote stuff in this game.
And no, symbiote/venom spiderman is not a suit. But you can unlock other dark outfits.
Wasn't a huge fan of them but I was legit nervous during the Miles and Rhino one. I don't know may be weird but I just pictured myself in his shoes.
Don't mind them but it's clear they wanted to have MJ and Miles in the game and that's all they could come up with.
Game director said at the KF spoilercast that the Symbiote Suit is too iconic and special to be just a 'costume' - strong implication ( read: direct confirmation ) that a sequel will eventually tackle the Symbiote storyline and give Peter a 'canon' Symbiote Suit with story relevance.
One thing I really took away from this game's story is how far video game stories have come- I don't read Marvel comic books but this was easily the best Spider-Man story I have experienced since Spiderman 2, and its DEFINITELY better than Homecoming.
Unlike Homecoming, this game's story actually felt like it had stakes- there were consequences and unlike the MCU it wasn't stuffed to the brim with what I find to be increasingly obnoxious quips and comedic moments- well maybe we did have some of that here but at the same time the story knew when to be serious and emotional.
Unlike Homecoming, this game's story actually felt like it had stakes- there were consequences and unlike the MCU it wasn't stuffed to the brim with what I find to be increasingly obnoxious quips and comedic moments- well maybe we did have some of that here but at the same time the story knew when to be serious and emotional.
Am I the only one that preferred the Mr Negative fight to the Doc ock one?
Honestly, I felt Doc's heel turn was wasted. I don't feel like it was fleshed out enough his change from mild mannered scientist to super villain.
One moment his is barely getting his arms to work, the next moment he is shaking down scorpions debtors. Nah man.
I felt the game should of centred on Li, maybe added a little bit more depth to his last fight and ended there. Give Doc more foreshadowing and put out a larger first DLC that centred on him. You could have kept the majority of the sinister 6 stuff, but just hide Docs involvement for a little while longer.
Honestly, I felt Doc's heel turn was wasted. I don't feel like it was fleshed out enough his change from mild mannered scientist to super villain.
One moment his is barely getting his arms to work, the next moment he is shaking down scorpions debtors. Nah man.
I felt the game should of centred on Li, maybe added a little bit more depth to his last fight and ended there. Give Doc more foreshadowing and put out a larger first DLC that centred on him. You could have kept the majority of the sinister 6 stuff, but just hide Docs involvement for a little while longer.
I get what you're saying - but I feel like Li was the one who was most wasted. He had a tragic past and innately a good heart - but all we've got to show us that was a short cutscene in the beginning, and then the rest is derived from the 'woe is me diary' and a scene that shows his parents killed to garner our sympathy. But beyond that, he's been utterly cruel, ruthless, and everytime Peter says that he wants to save Li - it doesn't feel sincere because the Peter-Li moments or even May-Li moments were not earned.
Doc Ock's turn wasn't fleshed out enough from a pacing perspective - to be sure, but that is on the assumption that there was a turn to begin with. One of my favourite aspects of Otto is how his prosthetics research is implied to be a very selfish attempt to recover his physical motor deterioration rather than due to broader moral reasons, and how he was involved with Devil's Breathe/Martin Li Incident from day-one. It shows that even in Otto's early days, he had skeletons in his closet and was more devious than he let Peter on - and the relevation that he knew Spidey was Peter all along felt to me like the swerve to basically subvert the expectations that we're in a Spider-Man 2 movie-situation, where Doc Ock was genuinely influenced by his arms... but actually he wasn't. Otto was a selfish, hateful and revenge-driven person all along, and the arms merely amplified those feelings. But the evil was always there, and the fact that he acted like an sleazeball in his final moments only further cemented that.
Doc Ock's turn wasn't fleshed out enough from a pacing perspective - to be sure, but that is on the assumption that there was a turn to begin with. One of my favourite aspects of Otto is how his prosthetics research is implied to be a very selfish attempt to recover his physical motor deterioration rather than due to broader moral reasons, and how he was involved with Devil's Breathe/Martin Li Incident from day-one. It shows that even in Otto's early days, he had skeletons in his closet and was more devious than he let Peter on - and the relevation that he knew Spidey was Peter all along felt to me like the swerve to basically subvert the expectations that we're in a Spider-Man 2 movie-situation, where Doc Ock was genuinely influenced by his arms... but actually he wasn't. Otto was a selfish, hateful and revenge-driven person all along, and the arms merely amplified those feelings. But the evil was always there, and the fact that he acted like an sleazeball in his final moments only further cemented that.
This actually gets into something I really, really like about the game. Whenever you unlock a new suit, you unlock a special power related to that suit (which also modifies your base attributes somewhat), but once you unlock a power, you can select and use that power and it's attribute modifiers with any suit you want to wear. So, basically, unlocking suits makes you more versatile in combat, but wearing a specific suit doesn't give you any advantage or disadvantage. This is great, because I don't really like that white spider costume, either. I used the classic Spider-Man costume (which you can unlock immediately after the white spider costume if you want), but really fell in love with suits like the Scarlet Spider Suit, Wrestling Suit, and Punk Suit, and later on the Stark Suit. I appreciate being able to freely choose which one to wear based on what looks coolest at that exact moment, without having to accept a mechanical disadvantage for wearing the cool clothes. If you just aren't a fan of the Advanced Suit or the heavily armored suits or the dark suits, you can unlock them, get their oft-useful powers, and then never wear them.
DLC with Doc Oc?
Hell no.
Also if you pay attention to all the stuff going on in the lab throughout the story you see that this was a long process. I think Martin Li is an interesting character because nomal writing would dictate finishing his story but they didnt. Peter didnt turn him good and he didnt die. He's still the same evil person. Interesting choice that I cant really comment until I know how his story ends assuming he appears in future games. Very comic like ending (keep your villains around)
And they set up superior spider-man by making Otto need a new body
I am not the only one who thinks they can reuse some of the sinister six in the sequel as fleshed out side quests ending in a boss fight, right? Assuming they use kraven, mysterio, chameleon etc. in for the main story along with venom/goblin, maybe one or two members of the six can reappear to exact revenge on peter.
The game did a good job of conveying that the six have existed in Peter's life and he's defeated them in the past, but I kinda wish I saw more of the six. Their presence was brief. I'd love to see some more aerial battles with vulture or learning more about rhino or whatever.
The game did a good job of conveying that the six have existed in Peter's life and he's defeated them in the past, but I kinda wish I saw more of the six. Their presence was brief. I'd love to see some more aerial battles with vulture or learning more about rhino or whatever.
Damn the Doc Ock storyline is a great use of dramatic irony. At first I thought "Oh WOW DOC OCK, what a big spoiler" but knowing what's going to happen actually makes the story that much more sad.
And hey, they did what the comics couldn't and actually killed off Aunt May. No Mephisto in this Marvel universe right? Good. Not afraid to admit I cried like a baby.
Goblin AND Venom in the sequel it seems? All about that. This game was absolutely superb. Can't wait to go home tonight, throw on that cel-shaded suit and get that 100%
And hey, they did what the comics couldn't and actually killed off Aunt May. No Mephisto in this Marvel universe right? Good. Not afraid to admit I cried like a baby.
Goblin AND Venom in the sequel it seems? All about that. This game was absolutely superb. Can't wait to go home tonight, throw on that cel-shaded suit and get that 100%
Weird how the soundtrack still isn't on itunes or even YouTube, I assume that it wasn't available in the CE?
I've always wanted to see Morbius in a game and since they introduced the character in this one, I hope we get his villainous side in the next one, would be cool to fight him.
Yeah this is part of why I loved this game's story so much. I was missing that feeling of weight and consequence in Spider-Man once they embraced the whole fun high school adventures thing for the MCU. This game is exactly what I needed. I thought I was done with Spider-Man but now I can't wait to see where this universe goes next.
Ah.
It's kind of a suit. An organic suit of love.
That's a neat way to look at it. Venom could be done really well by ISG.
Be kind of neat if Pete got kind of evil and Miles has to suit up to help him realize the error of his way.
I was complaining at first that I didn't unlock every side activity at the beginning forcing me to play the main campaign until more did. But this way there was at least somewhat of a sense of urgency to get shit done when you needed to.
Just finished and loved it. Really impressed with the story and is what made it for me.
A few things confused with though:-
- Why did I have the White Spider Suit on before going into the Lab? I only used the Classic throughout the whole game. I had it on at the end with Aunt May too.
- I didn't quite understand what Peter did at the end of the fight with Doc when he said something about sacrifices and then Doc fell.
- At the final encounter, The Doc knew Spider-Man was Peter but I could have sworn he'd said this earlier in the story? What?
Looking forward to the DLC .I'm just hoping its substantial enough of a story and not just a side quest material. Oh and the sequel!!!
A few things confused with though:-
- Why did I have the White Spider Suit on before going into the Lab? I only used the Classic throughout the whole game. I had it on at the end with Aunt May too.
- I didn't quite understand what Peter did at the end of the fight with Doc when he said something about sacrifices and then Doc fell.
- At the final encounter, The Doc knew Spider-Man was Peter but I could have sworn he'd said this earlier in the story? What?
Looking forward to the DLC .I'm just hoping its substantial enough of a story and not just a side quest material. Oh and the sequel!!!
He lied (well, presumably he lied) and pretended that Peter was his suit designer.
Finished this last night and really enjoyed it.
The story, characters, and all really had what I wanted out of a Spider-Man movie. Felt like the unused potential of the Amazing movies realized, done well, and not just because Peter looked like Andrew Garfield.
The story, characters, and all really had what I wanted out of a Spider-Man movie. Felt like the unused potential of the Amazing movies realized, done well, and not just because Peter looked like Andrew Garfield.
No not at that point. It was later at the Prison breakout.
Edit. Or just after I think.
As in, after he reveals himself?
I don't recall him revealing he knew who you are. Though obviously in hindsight (Hell, you don't even need hindsight), he let Peter live because he knew it was him. Otherwise, I don't know why he wouldn't let you die.
Hmmm. Will pay more attention on a replay!
Still don't understand the other bits either.
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You know how the Anti-Ock suit is layered on top of the advanced suit yeah? That's the plot reason as to why he walks into the lab with it. From a technical point of view though it'd be pretty difficult for Insomniac to have to tailor that for all costumes in the game.
Yeah still waiting for that sweet OST to drop. Hope its soon available to purchase.
I really want to see Michael Bingham or impostor Spider-Man in the second game, I thought the novel built his character up really nicely, and he came across as a big deal. Judging by the comments here, I don't think many people are very fond of his character, but throughout the game I was really hoping to come across some form of acknowledgment regarding him or Echo from the novel.
You know how the Anti-Ock suit is layered on top of the advanced suit yeah? That's the plot reason as to why he walks into the lab with it. From a technical point of view though it'd be pretty difficult for Insomniac to have to tailor that for all costumes in the game.
Yeah I noticed that. You could even see it under the damaged anti-ock suit. However, in all the other cut scenes throughout the game, they were adjusted for whatever you were wearing at the time so it makes no sense.
vest am laid out why it does make sense for it to be over the advanced suit only though.
I know I've heard some people didn't really like the circuit puzzles, but I thought they were used well in that scene where you were attempting to repair the neural interface and things just kept going wrong. It did a good job of putting you in Peter's shoes and the feeling of dread he would have as he worked frantically to fix the problem.
And as someone above said, I could totally see a Symbiote-Peter vs Miles showdown happening.
And as someone above said, I could totally see a Symbiote-Peter vs Miles showdown happening.
One of my absolute favorite scenes from the game is where Peter is teaching Miles how to defend himself against thugs. It was done really well, and it will be given much more weight eventually if that showdown does happen in the future.
Hope they let you play as Miles as you fight an over-powered symbiote peter boss. The fight ends in Peter nearly killing Miles and then coming to his senses that he needs to lose the symbiote.
I really hope they don't show that an amateur miles is somehow able to defeat a veteran peter with symbiote. That would be pretty unbelievable and not in a good way/
Production realities very much make sense. All the costumes in the game aren't just reskins - they're different models. The homemade Homecoming suit isn't skin-tight, it's a hoodie that is going to puff out, the Ghost Spider suit is built on a far more muscular model than Peter's standard build. You can't realistically account for all that with how the final costume gets damaged.
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