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Sinder

Banned
Jul 24, 2018
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The Return ended on the most haunting note possible, probably the most unforgettable ending to a TV series I've ever seen (yes, even more than The Sopranos). I'm very excited about the idea of a fourth season but that might kind of diminish the note S3 ended on. We'll see.

Don't tease your fans, Kyle, it's cruel.

David Lynch has said some things about a fourth season too. They've probably been having talks, at this point I think its probably happening.

However, I think it'll be at most half the length of S3 and be the definitive ending of Twin Peaks. I don't think S3 set the world on fire ratings-wise and everyone is getting pretty old. S3 took 4 or 5 years to make, can't really see Showtime being down for that again.
 
May 26, 2018
24,025
that ending was fucking awesome

that being said, sure, why not, fuck it, let's have some more of kyle maclachlan just wandering around david lynch dream spaces and being calmly disturbed about it
 

BorkBork

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,725
Hope not. Season 3 is one of the most amazing things ever and I don't need anything to try to expand upon it.
 

Flipyap

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,489
The thought of Lynch wasting more of his limited time on this here Earth on rehashing 30+ year old stuff is terribly depressing. I would really like to see him do something new and it's already been over a decade since Inland Empire. So, uh... quit it, you hype monsters.
 

Dream Machine

Member
Oct 25, 2017
13,085
The thought of Lynch wasting more of his limited time on this here Earth on rehashing 30+ year old stuff is terribly depressing. I would really like to see him do something new and it's already been over a decade since Inland Empire. So, uh... quit it, you hype monsters.
I have great news! Lynch just directed 18 hours of new material last year. Check it out.
 

Natiko

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,263
God yes, I need this. I don't know how I feel about season three still, but I do know it was an experience I wouldn't have wanted to pass up.
 

SeroTyler

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,150
The thought of Lynch wasting more of his limited time on this here Earth on rehashing 30+ year old stuff is terribly depressing. I would really like to see him do something new and it's already been over a decade since Inland Empire. So, uh... quit it, you hype monsters.
Twin Peaks: The Return, the ultimate boring nostalgia rehash.


I loved being perplexed by the ending, but I wouldn't mind more.
 

Mary Celeste

Member
Oct 25, 2017
12,197
The thought of Lynch wasting more of his limited time on this here Earth on rehashing 30+ year old stuff is terribly depressing. I would really like to see him do something new and it's already been over a decade since Inland Empire. So, uh... quit it, you hype monsters.
The Return is the most interesting and poignant thing Lynch has ever done (at least imo)
 

Flipyap

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,489
It didn't read as much of a sequel or a rehash of Twin Peaks to me.

I hope you at least made it to episode 8.
Okay, "rehashing" might not be the best word to describe the process of reheating the leftovers of a thing that's been dead for 25 years and stuffing it with ideas from the '70s, but I'm currently drawing a blank on a more appropriate one.
 

Dream Machine

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Oct 25, 2017
13,085
Okay, "rehashing" might not be the best word to describe the process of reheating the leftovers of a thing that's been dead for 25 years and stuffing it with ideas from the '70s, but I'm currently drawing a blank on a more appropriate one.
I'll go with "return".

The dude already quit making films after Inland Empire and then came back for this. How the teeth on that gift horse look?
 

Dust

C H A O S
Member
Oct 25, 2017
32,288
I would like to see Dale getting a better ending because Lynch fucked him over.
 

Extra Sauce

Member
Oct 27, 2017
5,918
Not sure if want. The Return was masterful fuckery but you can't ring that bell twice. It was also a perfect ending scene that I can't see being topped.
 

Window

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Oct 27, 2017
8,284
The thought of Lynch wasting more of his limited time on this here Earth on rehashing 30+ year old stuff is terribly depressing. I would really like to see him do something new and it's already been over a decade since Inland Empire. So, uh... quit it, you hype monsters.
I kind of agree. I had mixed feelings on The Return but its highs were unmatched and it ended perfectly. It doesn't need a continuation. What was clear though is that Lynch had greater or different ambitions and stories in mind which he weaved into the show because nobody else seems to be giving him the money to make what he wants. I'd rather Lynch take his ideas and make an original film than retread the world of Twin Peaks.
 

Dalek

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Oct 25, 2017
38,974
Twin Peaks season 3 is my favorite thing that's ever been on TV so I'd love to see more.
 

DStubbs

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Oct 28, 2017
369
I just binged watched all of Twin Peaks a few weeks ago and yeah it's one of the best shows I've ever seen. I need more of it in my life.
 

plagiarize

It's not a loop. It's a spiral.
Moderator
Oct 25, 2017
27,560
Cape Cod, MA
Twin Peaks The Return is as original as Mulholland Drive or Lost Highway or Inland Empire, which is to say that it uses many of the key themes and archetypes that Lynch often works with, but is still a worthy standalone work. I can't really fathom anyone seeing it any other way.

Sure, some characters in it are also in the original two series and Fire Walk With Me, but it's stuffed full of new material. The stories are completely new. There are loads of new characters and locations and mythology. It pushed TV in directions it had never before been pushed. Shrug. I guess if you hate anything that follows on from something else, you might rather something else.

But 'retread'? Eesh.
 

hoserx

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,172
Ohio
I'd love it...........but give up the ship on this one. It isn't happening. Season 3 haters are insane though. The show isn't about coffee and pie and cheeriness.
 
Oct 27, 2017
6,411
I really hope if they do season 4 that they only allow Lynch to have 9 episodes.

18 episodes was hilariously pointless and had so much filler. But when it was good, it was fucking amazing. It really should have been half as long though
 

Blader

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Oct 27, 2017
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I would like to see Dale getting a better ending because Lynch fucked him over.
Honestly Return might be as good as it gets for him. :lol

Compare that ending to S1, where he's shot and left for dead, or S2, where he's trapped in a hell dimension while an evil doppelganger runs around committing all sorts of awful shit with his face.
 

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Oct 31, 2017
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Window

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Oct 27, 2017
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Twin Peaks The Return is as original as Mulholland Drive or Lost Highway or Inland Empire, which is to say that it uses many of the key themes and archetypes that Lynch often works with, but is still a worthy standalone work. I can't really fathom anyone seeing it any other way.

Sure, some characters in it are also in the original two series and Fire Walk With Me, but it's stuffed full of new material. The stories are completely new. There are loads of new characters and locations and mythology. It pushed TV in directions it had never before been pushed. Shrug. I guess if you hate anything that follows on from something else, you might rather something else.

But 'retread'? Eesh.
I didn't say Lynch didn't bring in new material. He absolutely did. But the show felt like it was stuck between being Twin Peaks and being a new David Lynch movie. I loved episode 8 but it felt out of place from the world of Twin Peaks. I think David's new material was good but it added unnecessary mythology to the show, suffering from similar problems as S2's back half with aliens and Earle. They would be better off as separate stories. Lynch was also too playful for his own good in trying to subvert expectations, baggage he wouldn't have to deal with on an original work. It's silly to think the storytelling decisions weren't informed by what's come before in the series.
 

Dennis8K

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
20,161
This time we will surely understand. Finally the explanations we have been waiting for will come and everything will make sense and we will have closure!
 

cake

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Oct 25, 2017
565
I'd be ok with The Return being the last thing we get from Twin Peaks, but god I'd love more. Season 3 was a haunting experience, such a unique thing that we watched week to week, weird in ways familiar and new, that I'm ok with that being the capstone for the series. That said, I'd love to see what Lynch and team can do with another season.
 

CesareNorrez

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Oct 25, 2017
5,522
There is nothing in this tweet other than a feeling.

But I will watch whatever Frost and Lynch cook up, if they feel inclined. Pretty satisfied with what we have. They got to bring it to an ending on their terms.
 

Extra Sauce

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Oct 27, 2017
5,918
Season 4 would almost assuredly be underwhelming after the ridiculously brilliant Season 3 so I would prefer a movie to switch things up again.
 

Flipyap

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Oct 25, 2017
2,489
I kind of agree. I had mixed feelings on The Return but its highs were unmatched and it ended perfectly. It doesn't need a continuation. What was clear though is that Lynch had greater or different ambitions and stories in mind which he weaved into the show because nobody else seems to be giving him the money to make what he wants. I'd rather Lynch take his ideas and make an original film than retread the world of Twin Peaks.
Yep. While the Part 18 was everything I wanted from that show, highlights of the preceding 17 hours were at best tangentially related to Twin Peaks and most of that tracks back to completely unrelated works from the '70s. All of those ideas would be much better served in an original project where they could exist without making a mess of the original show's themes and visuals (and vice versa).

Lynch has been talking about directing another LA movie for years and, according to Room To Dream, since 2010 he's been sitting on a script that "impressed everyone who's read it as one of the best scripts Lynch has ever written."
So why would I ever want a sequel to the worst script of his career?
 

Violence Jack

Drive-in Mutant
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Oct 25, 2017
41,827
I was also mixed on season 3. Amazing highs, and the lows almost took me out of the show. I'd love a season 4, and I'm sure Showtime would as well. But I gotta have some closure...... and more hulk fist guy.
 

PolishQ

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Oct 27, 2017
735
Rochester, NY
Yep. While the Part 18 was everything I wanted from that show, highlights of the preceding 17 hours were at best tangentially related to Twin Peaks and most of that tracks back to completely unrelated works from the '70s. All of those ideas would be much better served in an original project where they could exist without making a mess of the original show's themes and visuals (and vice versa).
While you can argue that The Return doesn't have much in common thematically with the original series, the fact that the show is a resurrection in order to address "unfinished business" after 25 years is absolutely essential to what it has to say. So yes, it's tangentially related to Twin Peaks, but it's directly related to the idea of returning to Twin Peaks, if that makes any sense. Dougie's limbo mirrors the show's 25-year limbo, Cooper's futile mission to save Laura mirrors the futile endeavor of rehashing ones past work ... the weight behind these themes would be lost if it were a completely original project.
 

Wraith

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Jun 28, 2018
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and the morbid reason:
The actors are dropping like flies.
If there ends up being more Twin Peaks, I don't necessarily need them to revisit as much of the old cast as they did in S3. It was fun to see familiar faces, but probably not necessary. Surely McLachlan and Lynch need to be involved, and definitely use other regulars when appropriate, but if we don't check in on everybody in town, that's fine.
 

White Glint

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,617
I would love another FWWM style movie that maybe plays into the series' ending a bit but doesn't really fuck with it. S3 ended so magnificently I don't really want it to be touched but naturally I'll eat up whatever Lynch decides to make.
 

Dream Machine

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Oct 25, 2017
13,085
Lynch has been talking about directing another LA movie for years and, according to Room To Dream, since 2010 he's been sitting on a script that "impressed everyone who's read it as one of the best scripts Lynch has ever written." So why would I ever want a sequel to the worst script of his career?
If he really wants to make it, I'm sure it will get made. And I would love to see it.

However I'm not sure if judging everything he actually makes from here on against a nebulous "best script he's ever written" will be worthwhile. Room to dream, indeed.
 

Fisty

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Oct 25, 2017
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Hes clearly referring to the "world we live in" with his response of "maybe we'll get there one day". As in, "one day society will be able to truly appreciate a show like TP". Not "eventually we will win an Emmy for TP"
 

Flipyap

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Oct 25, 2017
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While you can argue that The Return doesn't have much in common thematically with the original series, the fact that the show is a resurrection in order to address "unfinished business" after 25 years is absolutely essential to what it has to say. So yes, it's tangentially related to Twin Peaks, but it's directly related to the idea of returning to Twin Peaks, if that makes any sense. Dougie's limbo mirrors the show's 25-year limbo, Cooper's futile mission to save Laura mirrors the futile endeavor of rehashing ones past work ... the weight behind these themes would be lost if it were a completely original project.
I was thinking more of stuff like everyone's favorite part 8, which literally and proudly rehashes Lynch's past work, with his old artwork serving as concept art for the new show.
Everything we see in that part would be just as effective without its ties to Twin Peaks, while Twin Peaks would feel much more cohesive if that part didn't make us question if Laura is now some kinda Bowling Ball Jesus.

I also liked being able to convince myself that the young girl's story could exist on its own until Mark Frost barged in with his Final Dossier, demystifying the whole thing, getting the literal devil involved and possibly turning Laura into a doomsday device.

If he really wants to make it, I'm sure it will get made. And I would love to see it.

However I'm not sure if judging everything he actually makes from here on against a nebulous "best script he's ever written" will be worthwhile. Room to dream, indeed.
That book's suffocating flattery is best taken with a grain of salt, but considering that it's supposed to be a movie originating from the same idea pool as Mulholland Drive and Inland Empire, I'd be completely satisfied if the script turned out to be merely adequate, a somewhat middling one-of-those.