SIGH - Kanye West to be first Musical Guest for SNL This Season

IrishNinja · Sep 17, 2018

Omnipotent said:
Comtinuing to support people that degrade others and have no intention of learning from their mistakes because you care more about being entertained by that individual than having any actual principles makes you spineless, yes.

Rationalize and internalize your behaviour however you wish. But the reality is clear as day.

well said

CoolestSpot said:
I wish mental Olympics were offical so you could represent Resetera

enzo gonna enzo, no matter what

Benita said:
No doubt Kanye has said some dumb shit but this notion that listening to his music somehow means you support that dumb shit doesn't make sense.

it says, at best, that someone literally saying slavery was a choice is okay by you - open displays of deep ignorance and racism aren't enough to get you to stop supporting an artist. many rappers have said reckless shit over the years, but to keep riding with them - much less run defense force for them online? that's a cosign

nice shot with the whataboutism though

Benita · Sep 17, 2018

IrishNinja said:
nice shot with the whataboutism though

Nah. You're calling people spineless but you exhibited the exact same behaviour for years. It's not whataboutism, its saying that you should check yourself before shitting on people for doing the same thing you did when it was something you cared about.

TheFireman · Sep 17, 2018

Omnipotent said:
Comtinuing to support people that degrade others and have no intention of learning from their mistakes because you care more about being entertained by that individual than having any actual principles makes you spineless, yes.

Rationalize and internalize your behaviour however you wish. But the reality is clear as day.

No ethical consumption under capitalism anyways.

Also, this is the same show that had Donald Trump on it. If you're not gonna watch the show, there's better reasons to do that than Kanye being on it.

Deleted member 15326 · Sep 17, 2018

Irish has a new fan/stalker lmao

Anyway, hope they put Kanye in a slavery sketch

Silky · Sep 17, 2018

IrishNinja · Sep 17, 2018

Benita said:
Nah. You're calling people spineless but you exhibited the exact same behaviour for years. It's not whataboutism, its saying that you should check yourself before shitting on people for doing the same thing you did when it was something you cared about.

ima keep it real with you chief: this is some piss poor logic
a) not everyone on gaf knew all the bullshit evilore did, until it was all out there
b) i literally just got done telling you that hip hop had had a long sad history of MC:s doing & saying awful shit for ages. you can be foolish & look for complete consistency across every era, or you can be aware of progress made around you - often done by challenging/not accepting bigotry like that - and not give heinous shit a pass in 2018 because shit knocks

also while thankfully not on enzo/torre levels, i was a pretty big fan of yeezy before the heel turn. i did care, that's why it was shitty to see - downplaying it or trying to point at some other shit doesn't change that. do better.

Deleted member 2229 · Sep 17, 2018

TheFireman said:
No ethical consumption under capitalism anyways.

Also, this is the same show that had Donald Trump on it. If you're not gonna watch the show, there's better reasons to do that than Kanye being on it.

The SNL bit isn't what im concerened about, its the notion that everyone should forget about Kanye's comments because "Hey, Its new Kanye!" As if that's more important than any of the shit he's said or done.

Its the same mentality that lets R.Kelly keep doing what he does. His fanbase doesn't care to hold him accountable for his actions as long as they're entertained.

And god forbid you can't be entertained by a singular individual.

Deleted member 5853 · Sep 17, 2018

After thinking this through, this is the worst way a Yeezus 2 could occur.

This is like the monkey's paw version of Yeezus 2. Yeezus was Kanye just being angry at the systems that had confined him for years. If Yeezus 2 draws on the same well of anger and uses the talking points Kanye's mentioned in interviews, it's going to be a lyrical mess focusing on how all politicians are bad, why Donald Trump and Yeezy are dragon energy, why the haters (read: people who disapprove of Trump-Yeezy) are wrong, and lots and lots and lots of justification for Trump.

My deepest fear is that this album is focused on how supporting Trump is "punk" and "anti-establishment" and therefore in line with the Kanye West brand.

Puck Beaverton · Sep 17, 2018

I'm still confused how tweeting Bill Cosby is innocent wasn't the dealbreaker for you guys.

It is just as stupid and gross as saying slavery was a choice.

Shy · Sep 17, 2018

FUCK COONYE, AND FUCK HIS FANS.

RedMercury · Sep 17, 2018

Judging by the comments here and elsewhere most people don't care about the terrible shit he's said unfortunately. A lot of people are real ethical or progressive up until it interferes with their entertainment.

Shy · Sep 17, 2018

RedMercury said:
Judging by the comments here and elsewhere most people don't care about the terrible shit he's said unfortunately. A lot of people are real ethical or progressive up until it interferes with their entertainment.

Mild shock.gif :P

yado · Sep 17, 2018

Shy said:
FUCK COONYE, AND FUCK HIS FANS.

All that needs to be said here tbh

Deleted member 7082 · Sep 17, 2018

This is one of those threads that could only end up being a place for people to wade through and insult each other.

Braaier · Sep 17, 2018

Snl has been terrible for years. Nothing lost

Shy · Sep 17, 2018

yado said:
All that needs to be said here tbh

And yet, this thread will continue for another 10 or so (if you're rocking a 100PPP) pages with his fans doing mental gymnastics trying to defend him.

IrishNinja · Sep 17, 2018

Omnipotent said:
The SNL bit isn't what im concerened about, its the notion that everyone should forget about Kanye's comments because "Hey, Its new Kanye!" As if that's more important than any of the shit he's said or done.

Its the same mentality that lets R.Kelly keep doing what he does. His fanbase doesn't care to hold him accountable for his actions as long as they're entertained.

And god forbid you can't be entertained by a singular individual.

this is a damn fine post

torre_avenue said:
My deepest fear is that this album is focused on how supporting Trump is "punk" and "anti-establishment" and therefore in line with the Kanye West brand.

I'm kinda expecting that double down, yeah - he's kicking it with alt right darling owens & clownshoes kirk so they gotta be putting that exact line in his ear

tether your ship to a sinking one brehs

Puck Beaverton said:
I'm still confused how tweeting Bill Cosby is innocent wasn't the dealbreaker for you guys.

It is just as stupid and gross as saying slavery was a choice.

looking back - you're not wrong, and i wanna say the majority of the accusations were out there when he did so too

honestly, ye has said multiple times he thinks the gov't created/administered aids so i didn't put past him the idea that the whole thing was some elaborate conspiracy plan to give cosby his wake up call or some shit

but you're right, it was a heinous thing to say

Benita · Sep 17, 2018

Omnipotent said:
The SNL bit isn't what im concerened about, its the notion that everyone should forget about Kanye's comments because "Hey, Its new Kanye!" As if that's more important than any of the shit he's said or done.

Its the same mentality that lets R.Kelly keep doing what he does. His fanbase doesn't care to hold him accountable for his actions as long as they're entertained.

And god forbid you can't be entertained by a singular individual.

I certainly don't advocate simply forgetting what he said. It's important he be called out on that.

But nor do I think he should go in the trash forever.

Mary Celeste · Sep 17, 2018

someone who's contributed tons of great art without a negative message to the world shouldn't have every single thing they've done thrown in the dumpster because they evolve into something shitty and toxic. Nor should that individual be barred from trying to change positively from those toxic views.

Shy · Sep 17, 2018

hughesta said:
someone who's contributed tons of great art without a negative message to the world shouldn't have every single thing they've done thrown in the dumpster because they evolve into something shitty and toxic. Nor should that individual be barred from trying to change positively from those toxic views.

He supports white supremacy. It's far more than just "toxic views"

Good Kid mAAd Poster · Sep 17, 2018

CopperPuppy said:
Also you don't get to ask "what makes Kanye right-wing" and follow it up with "supporting Trump doesn't count" lmao sometimes I double-take the shit I read on here my lord

Kanye supports bernie sanders too, does that make him left wing?

Shy · Sep 17, 2018

Good Kid mAAd Poster said:
Kanye supports bernie sanders too, does that make him left wing?

So him supporting Trump who is a white supremacist. Doesn't make him right wing ?

Deleted member 2229 · Sep 17, 2018

Benita said:
I certainly don't advocate simply forgetting what he said. It's important he be called out on that.

But nor do I think he should go in the trash forever.

hughesta said:
someone who's contributed tons of great art without a negative message to the world shouldn't have every single thing they've done thrown in the dumpster because they evolve into something shitty and toxic. Nor should that individual be barred from trying to change positively from those toxic views.

That's fine, and when Kanye makes an effort to make ammends for what he's said and done what heap Kanye belongs in can be reevaluated. Nothing wrong with forgiving someone that is making a conscious and consistent effort to do and be better.

But Kanye hasn't done that.

Benita · Sep 17, 2018

Omnipotent said:
That's fine, and when Kanye makes an effort to make ammends for what he's said and done what heap Kanye belongs in can be reevaluated. Nothing wrong with forgiving someone that is making a conscious amd consistent effort to do and be better.

But Kanye hasn't done that.

Fair enough.

The Mad Mango · Sep 17, 2018

i'm a sick sith i like to shoot ships
i'm a sick sith i like to shoot ships
i'm a sick sith i like to shoot ships

Good Kid mAAd Poster · Sep 17, 2018

Shy said:
So him supporting Trump who is a white supremacist. Doesn't make him right wing ?

so he's both right wing AND left wing?

Disco · Sep 17, 2018

His TLOP perfoemances sucked ass

But the yeezus one was....whew. so powerful. The tearful Ben Affleck introduction as he announced Ye's name with such awe and conviction

And then we had a look at new Ye by way of Death Grips. And the visuals too...wow

MrRob · Sep 17, 2018

I hope this means new music.

Deleted member 1248 · Sep 17, 2018

Good Kid mAAd Poster said:
so he's both right wing AND left wing?

I think the point is he doesn't stand for anything. He only opens his mouth when he has something to sell.

WarpSpeedMolasses · Sep 17, 2018

tormented said:
They need ratings. Plus they can't pass up the opportunity to do a "hilarious" Drumpf sketch with him.

Really hoping they'll just do an "I love it" video sketch instead of trying to make supporting Trump funny.

The Mad Mango · Sep 17, 2018

Senator Toadstool said:
is he changing his name again?

let me know when "yandhi" goes on a fast for unity, or goes to prison for civil disobedience.

TemplaerDude · Sep 17, 2018

Kanye is an asshole.

Pass.

OutofMana · Sep 17, 2018

MrRob said:
I hope this means new music.

He will be preforming that lil pump song. In full music video getup because at this point why not? Damn, oldhead ass clout chaser.

enzo_gt · Sep 17, 2018

TheCthultist said:
I mean, if I had to guess, I'd say it's probably the unwavering support for trump and that whole thing about slavery being a choice... both of which seem like pretty solid reasons to not listen to his opinions on most subjects.

CopperPuppy said:
Unwavering support for Trump and believing slavery was a choice are pretty strong Exhibits A and B

Also you don't get to ask "what makes Kanye right-wing" and follow it up with "supporting Trump doesn't count" lmao sometimes I double-take the shit I read on here my lord

Supporting Trump for non-political reasons is not evidence of right-wing ideology. Believing slavery was a choice is just idiotic, doesn't really fall within even extreme bounds of right-wing ideology or party perspectives on policy. Withers even more if you contextualize what he meant by the statement, but, of course, the statement in isolation is damaging. Still, not really right-wing, mostly just a Candace Owens thing. I know it's tempting to dilute perspectives into us vs. them, and Kanye can legitimately fall into a them, but let's not fall into the trap of making unsubstantiated claims like how this forum really likes to call anyone problematic "alt-right." Similar to lumping anything idiotic/uninformed/poorly communicated as the things Kanye has said as right-wing. It's just inaccurate.

As a note, he unwaveringly supports Clinton (pretty much every time he's mentioned Trump he's mentioned Clinton in close proximity) and to a lesser degree Obama too, but yeah pick and choose what y'all want to further develop the antagonist in this story.

NameUser · Sep 17, 2018

Slayven said:
Blaming black people for slavery isn't political. It's racism and ignorance

Exactly. A lot of these Trump supporters can't seem to understand this shit. Basic stuff like this isn't a difference of political opinions. That's why all the Republicans with some common sense have denounced Trump.

Cryptosporidium · Sep 17, 2018

Real talk

Kanye is the worst part of any song hes a part of. His first album wouldve been great if he wasnt in it

Googleplex · Sep 17, 2018

Benita said:
You're going to continue to be disappointed if you expect anyone who doesn't align to your side of the political spectrum to be shunned from society.

Stanning for a white supremacists is not just a "differnt side of the political spectrum".

Fuck Kanye.

HiLife · Sep 17, 2018

Fuck this guy.

will listen when it hits Apple at 12 est

MrRob · Sep 17, 2018

I just love OT Kanye threads lol.

People really come out and show they ass just as much as they least favorite rapper does.

HierArch · Sep 17, 2018

Came for the "Get fucked, Kanye!" comments. It felt good. I'll only watch if he drops new music.

IrishNinja · Sep 17, 2018

enzo just stop my dude
I've seen circus du soleli with less effort than this

Dude Abides · Sep 17, 2018

Past his prime musician to appear in past its prime variety show.

Shy · Sep 17, 2018

Good Kid mAAd Poster said:
so he's both right wing AND left wing?

The Kree said:
I think the point is he doesn't stand for anything. He only opens his mouth when he has something to sell.

Pretty much this.

Though he crossed the line with his support for white supremacy.

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