Yup anyone defending Nintendo online service is really tone deaf.
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Switch Online might be the "Netflix" service we dreamt of
- Thread starter Annoying Old Party Man
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Netflix chooses a monthly schedule for adds/removes. Now that is understandable for Originals, but I think you are missing an important aspect - Nintendo doesn't own all of these games. Like Netflix, they hold a license and have permission to distribute these games from their IP holders. If Konami is selling a new Castlevania game for Switch, I would expect them to highlight some Castlevania releases on their service.
It's not insane, it's realistic. Nintendo isn't going to give you N64 and GameCube games for a service they're only charging $20 a year for.
This.
Is not enough. We need from NES to WII U library. Including handhelds.
This seems kind of ridiculous to me. Anything below Wii feels like fair game for a service of this style, they just need to up the frequency of updates. Waiting a month for just 3 retro games is kind of dumb (even when you consider the ability to have any previously offered retros), but if it was something like 6-10 per month (third+first party) I'd consider that an amazing deal.
How much content did Netflix streaming have the first day it went live?
Maybe not the right place to ask but when exactly is Nesflicks launching? Like 5 hours from now ?
I don't believe they'll ever give GameCube games for the record, I don't think this makes sense as a service beyond NES/SNES/GB/GBA and MAYBE N64, but not positively. It's about retro roms and save states and whatnot. That doesn't really extend throughout the entire history of their output.
Once we reach later generations I think they'd much rather sell you individually released ports or remasters.
By the time there is a full library of nes games + some snes games, they will be launching a new console, and the whole cycle will start over again.
"Watch Now" started out small with around 1,000 titles—about 1% of Netflix's 70,000-video physical library—when it began rolling out on Jan. 16, 2007.
https://qz.com/887010/netflix-nflx-...-and-changed-the-way-we-watch-everything/amp/
I hate to be another person banging the "Nintendo Switch Online sucks" drum, but I just can't help myself when it comes to the OP's points.
- Nintendo has said there's more content to come, but they haven't made statements about whether that content will continue to come monthly. They may have provided a roadmap for the next 6 months even, but this is no guarantee that content will continue to roll out every month. This is not a clearly defined schedule like PS Plus/Xbox Live Gold.
- 20 NES games, 75-90% of which I don't care about, is not a selling point even at the low cost of $20. I'd rather pay the $5/game those are worth and keep "forever."
- Has Nintendo gone on record saying that we'll keep every title released on the service, for as long as we subscribe? This type of language is never used by platform holders, especially when they don't own the rights to the content. See the current debacle about movies getting pulled from the iTunes Store and people's libraries. In fact, Nintendo was formerly clear that this *would* happen: games would come and go from the service, just like Netflix. Yes this changed, but we'd be naive to think content won't get removed from the service.
- You do not need to be online to access the games but you do need to connect once every 7 days to renew the licenses.
- Super Nintendo games are anything but confirmed. If they had plans to launch SNES games on the service, why wouldn't they lead with those? Make no assumptions when it comes to Nintendo. We all thought Virtual Console was going to be a sure thing on Switch, and here we are almost 2 years later and 20 NES games is the closest we've gotten.
- The cost of the service may be low compared to competitors... but so is the value. Xbox Live Gold and PS Plus offer me 2-4 games every month in addition to their robust online service. How many multiplayer online games does Switch really have to offer? I can name 4 that I care about: Mario Kart 8 DX, Splatoon 2, Super Smash Bros. Ultimate and... and... and I can only think of 3! Don't even get me started on the dumpster fire that is their party chat/voice chat system, which despite being it's own separate app still lacks functionality that Sony and Microsoft have offered on their consoles since last gen.
- The handheld argument for games is certainly the best one, but what was wrong with the games they sold us on 3DS? The emulator itself sucked, but why couldn't we transfer our purchases over or even pay a small upgrade fee like Wii > Wii U?
Came to ask the same thing. Since they were talking about midnight I never got completely right if they meant tonight or tomorrow.
Edit: nevermind, just checked and it's tomorrow midnight.
I think calling it to Netflix is a bit of a stretch, OP. But if it makes sense to you, go for it.
Who's "we"? I never wanted this shit at all. The fact that you have classic games locked behind a subscription is such a downgrade from the Virtual Console brand. Never mind the fact that so far it's only NES games with no indication as to whether we're getting SNES-onwards.
from a general framework perspective, sure, it is a lot like a Netflix model. From a "comparable amounts of content and convenience" perspective, lol no
It used to be really difficult to find astroturfers... Not anymore I guess. The amount of threads trying to spin about how amazing the Nintendo Online service has been quite impressive these last few days. Probably even more so than the mental gymnastic trying to spin it's major issues as something great.
This subscription with full access to classic titles is much better (and cheaper) than buying those games. right now it is not very appealing with NES games only but when SNES/64/GBA games hit it will be great.
It definitely has the potential to be, right now it's still too early to decide that. But within five years, if Nintendo expands it to SNES/GB/GBC/N64/GBA? Yeah, definitely. Microsoft has a head start on GamePass, but their legacy content is no where near as strong.
I see this thread is filled with people that just want to make a quick jab at the offerings on day one though, to no surprise.
I see this thread is filled with people that just want to make a quick jab at the offerings on day one though, to no surprise.
And thus the transformation we all warned would happen back when XBL launched is finally complete
I'll check back in a year. I really don't need to pay for immediate access to Ice Climber. This is not an inspiring list.
Movie pass is 3x a month, and the movies rotate, so you can't watch anything you want any day. And you can't watch the same movie.
Movie pass started doing the 3x a month bullshit in the middle of August instead of beginning of September
Im a movie pass sub. I know. Its still better than 20 NES games that Ive been playing for the past 30 years.
I posted this in another thread, but my thoughts on it are thus:
The Netflix-like game service is a genius idea in theory but starting with only 20 NES Games and adding 3-4 a month is meager as hell. If Nintendo isn't going to have some of the other platforms (and they should), then at least they could dump the entire NES library instead of drawing it out over what will likely be the entire lifespan of the system. I feel like the Virtual Console started out amazing on Wii and has only gotten worse and worse. I'd rather the entire Wii + Wii U VC selection was available right now but you still had to buy each ala carte instead of this barebones service that is starting the trickle all over again.
The Netflix-like game service is a genius idea in theory but starting with only 20 NES Games and adding 3-4 a month is meager as hell. If Nintendo isn't going to have some of the other platforms (and they should), then at least they could dump the entire NES library instead of drawing it out over what will likely be the entire lifespan of the system. I feel like the Virtual Console started out amazing on Wii and has only gotten worse and worse. I'd rather the entire Wii + Wii U VC selection was available right now but you still had to buy each ala carte instead of this barebones service that is starting the trickle all over again.
I fucking love you for this.
Anyway yeah OP I agree. This is how a retro games service should be.
Can't say I've been dreaming of NES games at all compared to getting gb, snes, n64, and gba. NES alone does nothing for me.
Xbox Gamepass is more like a Netflix of video games than this. EA Origin is far more like a Netflix of video games than this. Hell, PS Now is more like a Netflix of games than this.
Just because it's Nintendo doesn't make is special. They're near last to this party and their offering, while cheap, is the worst of the lot. It's only old games, the addition of new content will be restricted to old games, the addition will, if Nintendo's VC release frequency is anything to go by, will be laboriously slow. That example was when they actually sold the games and had more motivation to release content too.
Maybe in 5 years it'll be more respectable. In 5 years Microsoft will be on to a new platform built for their service that gets new releases day and date. Sony will likely be much further along on their service that will work on mobile and PC. Nintendo is Last by such a large margin here that 3rd parties are lapping them. They deserve only ridicule for this "service".
Just because it's Nintendo doesn't make is special. They're near last to this party and their offering, while cheap, is the worst of the lot. It's only old games, the addition of new content will be restricted to old games, the addition will, if Nintendo's VC release frequency is anything to go by, will be laboriously slow. That example was when they actually sold the games and had more motivation to release content too.
Maybe in 5 years it'll be more respectable. In 5 years Microsoft will be on to a new platform built for their service that gets new releases day and date. Sony will likely be much further along on their service that will work on mobile and PC. Nintendo is Last by such a large margin here that 3rd parties are lapping them. They deserve only ridicule for this "service".
Sure, OP, theoretically this is the structure of a VOD-like service for retro Nintendo games (I think the arguments that because it doesn't have new games it can't be compared to "Netflix for Nintendo" are a little disingenuous -- nobody was expecting new games when we dreamed of a VOD-like Nintendo service; it's how many people wanted the Virtual Console to iterate). And, theoretically, Nintendo could keep adding retro games every single month, eventually expanding into additional retro consoles until subscribers have a really robust slate of retro Nintendo games to choose from (increasing the price or adding subscription tiers or whatever along the way). And that would be great.
But -- while I think the constant outrage over every single imperfection about Nintendo Online is a little over the top for something that costs $1.67 or less a month -- you've got to understand how unlikely that theory is. We'd all love it to happen, I'd love it to happen. But no one expects it to happen because it would require a whole lot of follow-through and consistency on Nintendo's part. And I love Nintendo, but god damn if they don't have a historical lack of follow-through on nearly every single one of their service initiatives. Yeah, Nintendo Online could become what we're dreaming of in a few years, but Nintendo's history and patterns indicate that instead of following through on this -- making this the beginning of a really fleshed-out VOD-style retro library that you can have on hand for years to come -- they'll let it peter out in a few years, rip up the foundation completely and start over from scratch with something else once again. In terms of online services, they did it with Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection, they did it with Nintendo Network, and it only makes sense to assume they'll do it with Nintendo Online. I hope I'm wrong, but we only have history to go by.
But -- while I think the constant outrage over every single imperfection about Nintendo Online is a little over the top for something that costs $1.67 or less a month -- you've got to understand how unlikely that theory is. We'd all love it to happen, I'd love it to happen. But no one expects it to happen because it would require a whole lot of follow-through and consistency on Nintendo's part. And I love Nintendo, but god damn if they don't have a historical lack of follow-through on nearly every single one of their service initiatives. Yeah, Nintendo Online could become what we're dreaming of in a few years, but Nintendo's history and patterns indicate that instead of following through on this -- making this the beginning of a really fleshed-out VOD-style retro library that you can have on hand for years to come -- they'll let it peter out in a few years, rip up the foundation completely and start over from scratch with something else once again. In terms of online services, they did it with Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection, they did it with Nintendo Network, and it only makes sense to assume they'll do it with Nintendo Online. I hope I'm wrong, but we only have history to go by.
This exactly. If Nintendo online included a few free games per month and a robust selection of games from several titles, it would feel like Netflix.
Instead it just feels like a waste of money. I'll join for a month to buy the NES controllers...which I'll sell on eBay closer to Xmas and make a shit ton of profit. That is the only use I'm seeing here.
Eh, not yet it's not.
Even more annoying when you think about how that Eurogamer rumor of Gamecube VC at launch was probably true and they pushed it back indefinitely and only now, a year and a half later, are we just getting NES games...
Like, that's so frustrating thinking about what likely could've been :(
Even more annoying when you think about how that Eurogamer rumor of Gamecube VC at launch was probably true and they pushed it back indefinitely and only now, a year and a half later, are we just getting NES games...
Like, that's so frustrating thinking about what likely could've been :(
I see potential for the service to become great over time, as a ton more games get added and it evolves into something valuable. But right now, it's a joke. I may be tempted near the end of the Switch's life if that means first party NES, SNES, N64, GBA, and Gamecube games. But with only NES and a few other stingy features that ought to be free, I can't recommend it to anyone.