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Brett Kavanaugh's Sexual Assault Victim steps forward, takes lie detector to confirm
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But nobody is saying he should be "doomed forever." Just that, if this is true, he should not have one of the most prestigious and powerful positions in the federal government. Nobody is saying he should be jailed, or never permitted to practice law.
Given that he is still criminally liable for this crime, I don't think he will ever apologize to her.
If you argue 17 year old attempted rape is a 'mistake', you might as well take your ass to defend Brock Turner.
I mean he was a teenager, too.
Says everything it needs to. He knows it was wrong and is still not willing to pay consequences for it. Such a person shouldn't be on the council that decides the legal and illegal, the right and wrong of our entire nation.
1. He hasn't owned up to it. Not going to forgive someone who hasn't asked for forgiveness.
2. Some crimes are far more serious than others.
3. This is for a lifetime job as a Supreme Court justice. It's far more serious than just about any other job he could possibly have.
4. He never served time for the crime he likely committed. Denies it ever happed, so this isn't a case of him serving his time and being re-integrated into society.
5. About the "public conviction": Unlike most other jobs, this is a job that directly affects numerous aspects of the public's lives, and is a public service position. We have a right to know and give our opinion on how fit he is for the job. It's the only way we have to give input, prior to midterms, into the hiring of someone who is supposed to work for the public good.
We aren't talking about some random dude on the street. We're talking about a member of the Supreme Court, a body who holds an uncomfortable amount of power over people's lives in our current political climate. The scrutiny is supposed to be intense.
Seriously. That's the dumbest aspect of all of this. They probably could have just dropped him immediately, and let another conservative judge be picked without sex assault baggage. Trump had a list, just go to the next choice.
i can't wait to hear kavanaugh say that he only wanted outercourse
There's a difference between admitting to a mistake made when you were young versus saying that it never happened.
Was watching Morning Joe and they say he wasn't I didn't look at the laws yet.
First one opens him put to legal trouble. Second one drags this out and risks more coming out.
Well, current policy by the justice department at least is that a president can't be indicted and must be impeached, so I was wondering if justices have similar protections.
https://www.legalmatch.com/law-libr...statutes-of-limitations-for-sexual-abuse.html
Only civil lawsuits have a more defined statue of limitations, but it would very hard to prove a felony one given it was attempted assault and it was so long ago. Unless he admitted to it which is reason enough not to.
Another great example of the kind of freak that conservatives promote as our 'best and brightest'. A disgusting crime like this only bolsters his women's health and rights bonafides among conservatives.
Yeah, they were wrong. There are no statute of limitations for felony sex offenses in Maryland, where this allegedly took place.
So, Brett cannot apologize/admit to this ever having happened. At best, he can say he remembers it differently or something.
This. For the love of god it's not that complicated. People who have a history of treating marginalized groups poorly should not be on positions of power.
This isn't just about the fact that he did something wrong. It's that he faced no accountability and we have no reason to believe that he has changed.
Lol ratemyprofessor.com is like every stupid Yelp review. It means nothing.
I can't see how Ford can be interrogated by the 11 GOP men of the Judiciary Committee and have it NOT be an absolute horror show.
They may be incompetent morons but they're still attempting to slander an accuser and then these same stupid pieces of garbage act like making up false claims is some free lunch with no downsides.
Was there a statute of limitations when the assault is said to have happened? A lot of places have extended or eliminated the statute of limitations, but I'm not sure if someone can be charged if the limitations were extended after being expired (genuinely not sure).
Edit: Looks like if the statute had expired and then was extended, he would not be eligible for prosecution
https://www.cga.ct.gov/2003/olrdata/jud/rpt/2003-R-0512.htm
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Their lack of outrage only confirms how much they admire his lack of respect for women's rights.
There is a possibility that he was so intoxicated that he truly believes it didn't happen because it's not in his memories.
He's not on the list. He's here as a quid pro quo with Kennedy and his son
The idea that you shouldn't be punished forever relies on the fact you've gone through some form of rehabilitation and retribution to society. It doesn't automatically absolve everyone of everything, it just says that given contrition and understanding, there's no reason you should be punished more than you've already been.
A teenage date rapist that didn't get caught and went on to have a successful life doesn't fit anything in this, and I frankly question anyone was really onboard with the idea if they think it does.
Yeah, I'm really comfortable saying I am.
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Bad reviewed professors are either bad professors or more commonly...professors who don't put up with student's shit and expect them to listen and learn in their classes.
Plot twist
The article also happens to be about the wrong Christine Ford. They issued a retraction. So two people got dragged through the mud. Great journalism.
A person should be judged based on how they REACT to the "mistakes" they've committed as a youth, especially regarding the severity. When one downplays or denies they've done certain things, grow defensive rather than openly admit, feel shameful, regretful or seek to atone (maybe find some way to help his victim or others like them), that shows they don't think they've done anything wrong. Regardless of being older and so-called "wiser", the sins they committed as adolescents aren't considered "bad" or "wrong" all these years later. You don't hand-wave that shit away.
It is sorta like those outed by "MeToo". As soon as everything Weinstein did was made known (well, not everything, I'm sure there is still shit we don't know of), he was handwaving it away and saying, "I believe in second chances!". He still denies the bulk of it, and why should he get a second chance? You EARN that second chance. HELL, you EARN the mere, slight consideration of EVER getting a second chance. You don't get a freebie, or at least SHOULDN'T get a freebie. If you are sorry and regret it, PROVE IT. Not just to the world, but to your victims. Don't just say "Oops, my bad! Can we start over like nothing happened?".
Remember, by downplaying something, acting like it didn't happen or, "Hey, we were just kids! Kids do stupid stuff! Boys will be boys!!", you are downplaying the trauma that these victims have kept with them. Pain that has cast a shadow on their lives which they can't escape from.
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"I'm sorry if I did anything to offend you" is not the same as "I'm sorry I tried to rape you". The latter isn't coming.
I just see Orrin Hatch rambling about the constitution, tariffs, and opioids.
Yeah, I can't believe this is even an argument. Oh it was a mistake, he feels awful, he's changed. Ok, but he doesn't need to be one of the 9 SCOTUS judges for the next 30 years, you know, maybe he can just continue along as a federal judge with a six figure salary and awesome pension etc?
I can't see Orrin Hatch being able to piss without his aides.
bullshit it does on both accounts.
If that were true Betsy Devos would not be secretary of education. I've not seen a campgain like that one, i saw both republicans and democrats campaigning to call our senators. I called both of mine Cornyn and Cruz, if i even got anything back it was a stupid form letter, thank you for contacting my office, i support the american people which is why im voting yes.
Here's the thing with this argument, and I hear it so much in regards to assault, abuse,bullying, rape, pedophilia, etc.
These people are never doomed forever. They are not the victims, yet society tends to care much more about their well being then the actual victims. In almost all of these cases you know who are doomed forever? You know who can't just handwaive their trauma away and in most cases have their entire lives altered and are stuck in therapy their whole lives? Suffering PTSD, being stigmatized and always having to defend themselves? The victims. That's why whenever I hear shit like "that happened 35 years ago" I know I'm dealing with some ignorant ass MFers. This guy has a family, he became a judge and has lived a beautiful life the last 30 years. If the worst thing he has had to suffer for what he did is not becoming a Supreme Court judge boo fucking hoo. Cry me a fucking River I'm not examining shit, some other people need to reflect on what they are trying to push with that narrative.
Maybe my college was unique (pretty small student body), but I found ratemyprofessor.com to be quite accurate during my time at college. That's not to say every individual review was accurate, but the aggregate tended to be something to take seriously.
I think the biggest difference is whether you receive punishment for your mistakes in your youth. If you don't then you have not "learned your lesson" and be able to move on from the allegation and learn from it. Without punishment all you learn is to hide your misdeeds even more, which is the opposite of what we want.
