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What *equivalent* GPU do you think the PS5/XB4 will have?
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Id assume so because a 1070 wont cut it for a 4k/60 device and we all know theyre going to market the hell out of that
That's what I'm thinking as well. Hopefully Navi architecture improvements turn out to be significant.
What you think will be the most used marketing buzzword by each one ... 4k/60, raytracing or VR?
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Dont be silly of course it can, an XBox One S could do 4k 60fps if a game would be programmed to do so. It all depends on WHAT you want to do. Age old battle, graphics versus framerate.
I think the rumours for PC are that the first Navi dGPU will be a Polaris equivalent with Vega 64 performance so seems to neatly fit and similar happened with Polaris/PS4 Pro/One X.
Something equivalent to a modern mid-range GPU, as was the case with the PS4/Pro and X1/X. Both Sony and Microsoft now prioritise reliability and profitability above raw power, and I don't see that changing.
Native 4k @60fps?
Unless the game is seriously lacking in the graphics department and/or is a racer then I don;t think there's one AAA game that can do that. I could be wrong though, this is going off memory.
This seems right to me!
Getting PS4-like performance was usually around a GTX 760 or so at the end of the day in terms of what you needed for shading. It was unsurprisingly also the min spec usually in a lot of titles.
For X1? Well, that is a different story. hah
My hope is 12-14TF class AMD GPU,Navi based and hopefully with some features from AMD's following architecture after that,which is a big break from GCN according to their roadmap.
GTX1080/Vega64.
They won't. But a GTX1080 pumps out 4k/60 for games like BF1. But there won't be a focus towards a target refreshrate since it completely depends on the dev and the design of the game.
They won't. But a GTX1080 pumps out 4k/60 for games like BF1. But there won't be a focus towards a target refreshrate since it completely depends on the dev and the design of the game.
That's only repeating what the guy you quoted already said.
Fact is most games this gen run at 30 fps, especially the most spoken about games. There are of course some games that are 60 fps but most of them are not really graphical power horses.
I really have a hard time believing on 1080ti performance. It all depends on AMD, of course, but I just can't see it. These consoles will not only have a GPU in them.
PS4 was a lower clocked ~HD7850/70+secret sauce/roadmap features
X1 was a lower clocked ~HD7790?+EDRAM/secret sauce
Pro was a lower clocked ~RX480+secret sauce/roadmap features
1X was a lower clocked ~RX580?+secret sauce+384bit bus
Can't really compare PS3/360 with PCs as they were very different beasts. The current consoles are ~low mid-end PCs for the OGs in raw specs. Same for the mid-gen upgrades 3/4 years later. Always around ~low/mid-end gaming PC performance.
For the PS5/X2 I see +-Vega 64 @7nm being the mid-range equivalent to Polaris so makes sense to be in the ballpark raw performance wise. What secret sauce they'll have is a far more interesting question for both.
Something comparable to a 1070 would seem about right. Vega64 at most if they go AMD.
Would be incredibly surprised if either company offer something comparable to the 1080ti.
Would be incredibly surprised if either company offer something comparable to the 1080ti.
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Please remember that Tflops are somewhat relative to their architecture performance. A 10-12 Tflop Nvidia card pretty far out performs and AMD 10-12 Tflop card (in gaming performance) generally.
xbox x is already almost as fast as a 1070. how on earth would sony release a console in 2019 thats <25% faster than xbox x? 1080 performance would be the minimum for 2019 and 1080ti performance for 2020.
1070 performance is not good enough on a 7nm SoC tbh. I think you're lowballing it there, which tbh isn't a bad thing since you'd be pleasantly surprised at the final result.
Sony and Microsoft really need to be able to sell the improvement .
Like last gen to this gen was big but online the gaming sites tried their best to downplay it .
If it's just higher resolution and frame rate then that's not a good sell at all.
The power increase from PS3 to 4 allowed for games that could not be done before to be made .
Sticking the equivalent of a 1080 in it probably won't be that mind blowing .
Perhaps a ton more ram or CPU power would be more game changing?
Like last gen to this gen was big but online the gaming sites tried their best to downplay it .
If it's just higher resolution and frame rate then that's not a good sell at all.
The power increase from PS3 to 4 allowed for games that could not be done before to be made .
Sticking the equivalent of a 1080 in it probably won't be that mind blowing .
Perhaps a ton more ram or CPU power would be more game changing?
That is why I said "lets say they catch up to Nvidia's Pascal flop performance" I am suggesting that we can probably expect a similar performance increase as a PC using GTX 1080TI.
I expecting around 8-10 time more GPU power than base consoles. Between 14-18 TFLOPS. Also, good CPU will do the trick.
Probably but I am expecting xbox to have more processing power as I believe Microsoft doesnt want to be part of the weaker console memes again.
Hmm Sony will probably aim for 4k/30fps with all the bells and whistles. So 1080 like gpu is my guess.
1070 or something. More interested in the CPU they'll be using. The CPUs in the current gen consoles area a disgrace.
I get it, I think it might be asking a bit much with just AMD level Tflops even with arch improvements. But it's in the realm of possibility I guess. With Nvidia pursuing Raytracing as they are seeing diminishing returns performance wise with standard fabrication it's an interesting time for silicon. Much like what allowed AMD to catch up with Intel.
This. Unless they go for a bigger chip and a higher power utilisation.
The 1x hits 172watts playing gears 4.
So if they go for 200 we might get somthing in the 15tflop range.
If they do indeed aim for 4K/60fps as a standard for the console, I expect an even smaller leap in visuals quality than the previous transition. I'm willing to bet lots of devs will make the choice of doing games with 1080p/30fps to shown off new bells and whistles.
Maybe it is a slight low ball, but given the Vega64 usually performs better than a 1070 and closer to the 1080 (from the tests I've seen online) I feel like I've given it a fair range.
It's going to be custom with Navi architecture so, comparing it is kinda moot.
It will be somthing between a 1080ti and 2080ti right around the time the 3080ti's are out, with less brute power than a 1080ti but more advanced features than the 2017 card
People will surely call it 'underpowered' when the raytracing brute force cards are announced by that time
It will melt eyeballs regardless, while the FPS crowd continues to lament the lack of 60frames for most games
It will be somthing between a 1080ti and 2080ti right around the time the 3080ti's are out, with less brute power than a 1080ti but more advanced features than the 2017 card
People will surely call it 'underpowered' when the raytracing brute force cards are announced by that time
It will melt eyeballs regardless, while the FPS crowd continues to lament the lack of 60frames for most games
For raw gpu power I can't see much past a 1070ti while still keeping the cost of the console at or below $500. The main improvements will be in bandwidth and CPU power I think. But I guess we'll see.