Oh sorry I don't mean this game. I mean Rise the exclusive one. I can see your point though
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UK charts: Slow start for Tomb Raider as Spider-Man reigns supreme
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Oh sorry I don't mean this game. I mean Rise the exclusive one. I can see your point though
Wow that is insane. Is this really a major retailer? (i.e. Gamestop, Best Buy, Walmart, Target) You don't have to say which.
I honestly don't remember you being this bullish on anything. Even when it was obvious that something was going to do huge numbers. I remember when you weren't ready to definitively say that Sipder-man will out sell God of War. Your confidence makes me wonder how well it is actually doing, because damn...
A lot of what you are saying also sounds like a vicious circle. Sony bought game franchises so we will never know how much a Tomb Raider 2 or 3 would have sold on N64. Prove me it would have sold less as a multiplatform game and I would agree that there is absolutely nothing to argue about, besides Sony not caring much for games themself but only for them (which of course makes sense for them but is not #4theplayers). Fact is, we don't know and we will never know. Technically, besides FMVs, I don't see a technical reason that TR did not release on N64.
And really, there is absolutely no need to justify exclusivity in *any* way. It is bad, no matter who does it or why, no matter if you label it funding or just admit you bought a game.
The fact I brought it up was essentially the already mentioned elitism of some fans in this thread who potentially didn't know that exclusivity for TR games was nothing MS "invented" but was something Sony did in the first place to make sure TR is heavily associated with the PS brand.
It's not a console warring when Rise exclusivity hurt sales. Why do you think why release period for PS4 version was announces so much earlier?
Eh I was with God of War as well. I knew that was a new record
I only like to really go out of my way on things I feel VERY confident in
Next up on the chopping block for me is my Smash prediction lol
Some people were saying it wouldn't have the legs of God of War... so far so good lol
2nd week higher than GoW's first
I haven't played Shadow yet, but Rise is a lot of fun, the challenge tombs are worth playing it for on their own, Voice of God tomb and the one with the frozen ship are so good, and they have the best rewards in the game, not just 1000 year old arrow heads or whatever. Try to turn off your brain during the story though, but gameplay wise it's a blast on the harder difficulties, some sections are clearly inspired by Uncharted, and they're great. All in all, a fun time.
So what youre saying is the people/articles saying the new TR was a competent but unexciting product were right.
Crazy.
Crazy.
There is also Angel of Darkness in 2003 which was kept off Gamecube and Xbox due to Sony gaining exclusivity again. One can't really talk about the brand association of Tomb Raider without talking about Sony's persistent efforts to keep the games off other platforms. (Although in fairness the Angel of Darkness situation was kind of complicated.)
Or people who own a PS4 are picking up Spider-Man instead as they want something new to experience?
You're looking at the potential 2018 sales champion, depending on how RDR2 does or does not catch fire.
Lol you cant just handwave install base away. Of course install base has a lot to do with sales of games lol.
Far out, everything just has to be about talking up Spiderman and shitting on Xbox and Xbox related games with some of you lol.
How has this anything to do with it being exclusive. We are seeing the opposite happen.
67percent split is slightly above the norm for UK split so it looks like more PlayStation fans have bought it and less Xbox. Are younimplyung making it not exclusive caused Xbox fans not to buy it? It looks like it would have done the same if not better if it was an exclusive to Xbox. When you take in the larger install base from a couple of years ago.
Spiderman has eaten Lara lunch. It's being advertised everywhere in the UK.
I do like the assumption that platforms are an even split as well. Like there's Xbox players and PlayStation players. Yes there are tons of people that own one console but there's also a huge market of players that own multiple consoles and buy on whichever console they feel too.
There will be shedloads of Xbox owners that bought Spider-Man because they own a ps4 as well.
In general, I feel like Uncharted ate Lara's lunch a long time ago. I don't need another Tomb Raider game for a long while.
Guess you missed the post where Benji specifically came out and said Rise being exclusive definitely played a part in the lower sales of that game and possibly spilled over into Shadow. Spider-Man coming out isn't the sole reason Shadow is not doing well.
Yeah, apparently games weren't allowed to do better than God of War or the Arkham series for some reason.
You have literally the "Sales guy" in this thread saying this and he has more than likely more knowledge in this matter.
Its more interesting to see that still twice as many people bought Tomb Raider on the PS4 even though they had Spiderman just a couple days before that which sold insanely good numbers.
Why didn't more people on the X1 pick it up even though it has the Marketing and advertisement deals + absolutely no software competition in that timeframe?
There's really not much evidence that points towards ps4 owners also owning an x1 unlike switch owners also having ps4/x1s. If you have a source on that then I'd like to see it.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/np...tch-owners-also-owned-a-ps4-and-or-xb1.66884/
Of course rise would have sold more if it wasn't exclusive. I thought we were talking about shadow that shows little evidence of dropping due to the last game being exclusive. Shadow has had a lot of video content and a few reviews saying it's mediocre, and not as good as the other two due to less combat etc.it's launched one week from Spider-Man that's on every cinema trailer. Bus. Instagram. Facebook. YouTube. I can't go a day without seeing a Spider-Man trailer.
The problem is they have poor writers, and it's not just the problem with that game. When you start from a garbage script people are wising up these days. Not saying all of Tomb Raider is garbage, but it's literally NEVER been good writing. In any game ever. It's just there for the most part, and this new more serious lady is just too serious.
They need to wait 5 years and then reboot this entire franchise. That or just leave it. Uncharted only made it to 4 because of amazing tech and good or at least decent writing that really showed itself in 4. TR just doesn't have that sadly, but it does deserve it.
Feels like people take Tomb Raider for granted. Everyone loves it and picks it up when it's rebooted, but then make 3 games in the same sub-series and by the third one the sales will go to shit, despite the fact the games didn't decrease in quality (eg. 3 and 4 are some of the finest in the series ever, Underworld is superior to the two games prior, etc.). Guess they need to reinvent the formula every game or two, otherwise people will don't care.
Well I mean it was so obvious this was going to be a mega game. Spider-Man is hugely popular, there hasn't been a game to show off his true appeal in videogames basically ever because tech constraints and bad development, so with Insomniac on board you had a guaranteed decent experience. And they went beyond that similar to how GG did with Horizon. But Spider-Man is like fucking GOLDMINE as far as his reach.
I think console exclusive kinda made people really prissy about this game. Because if you do go back some people thought it was going to flop lol. I mean come on.
I would say very explicitly that no one cares because the stories are fucking shit for the most part. Nobody simply feels the need to buy them at release. Shit, I just finished Underworld lol. It was fun, and I might begin the first of the new trilogy. But I can't really say I'm super hyped. Being a poet bad writing is one of my pet peeves. And TR just needs to be rebooted with better writers.
Also, you saying Underworld is superior makes me to not even bother with the newer ones unless I'm desperate to play something. Anniversary was great fun on PC too.
The only Tomb Raider game that had a truly remarkable story was Angel Of Darkness, and that game was trash. The classic games offered a random villain that forced Lara to visit half the world to retrieve some random treasures and then face the bad guy/gal and kill him/her. Tomb Raider really wasn't about the story at any time.
It wasn't, but these days a game like that, trying to tell a coherent story... it's just not acceptable anymore to have an adventure game with a bad story unless gameplay is amazing. And while TR is cool, it's not really amazing or that in-depth, hence the need for a gripping plot.
Their writers have always been failures, it just sticks out now because they make it a headline for their game.
Yeah, I mean you could think over time with a growing PS4 base it could do 1/4 of what GTA does or something like that especially if it is bundled later on. Who knows...
People already forgotten what really happened, how ROTR sold during launch month, why PC and PS4 version release was announced sooner than it should ( bless Kagari ). Yes, Rise exclusivity did hurt sales. Like also Benji said :
https://www.resetera.com/posts/12727049/
This is another situation. Nobody said a single word when was announced during PSX. Just before release when content was announced and how barebones game would be said by Capcom, game received huge backslash because of it. Capcom is guilty for bad sales for their game.
Eh, I may be biased but it doesn't feel worse than most open world or action/adventure games out there. But yeah, the stories could be better.
No, I don't think it is too much worse, but it's has generally from what I see been a step down from the leaders for sure. I think it is the idea it's hard to care for more than her that is the problem.
Since Shadow actually seems to be a great game (if you liked the previous two entries from a gameplay perspective, that is) I hope this doesn't kill the franchise. I'm planning on picking the game up soon-ish, it's just that I'm tapped out after buying Spider-Man and Dragon Quest 11.
I mean, Eidos Montreal are doing Guardians of the Galaxy next and Crystal Dynamics are doing Avengers so I'm not sure who would even do another Tomb Raider for quite some time.
I would disagree. The TR2013 reboot, while having some apparent flaws, is significantly better than Rise and Shadow. While Rise and Shadow incorporate a lot of mechanics that sound appealing and add "depth" and longevity to the gameplay, all it really does in execution is just spread the gameplay incredibly thin across a much more poorly paced campaign, and this is knotted all up with way worse writing and a very bland Lara. The setup, and Lara herself, were much more fiery and memorable. The reliance of excessive violence and explosive set pieces are pretty antithetical to classic Tomb Raider appeal but they at least gave the game a sense of excitement and energy. The build up of Lara turning into a vicious killing machine almost akin to Spec Ops: The Line makes TR2013 a fun ride.
The only real, substantial improvement made to Rise and Shadow is that the puzzles are admittedly a LOT better, but a huge amount of the "gameplay" in Shadow especially is just wandering around and picking shit up, and the real ironic part is that you're constantly picking up resources to presumably help in combat against enemies and at 40% completion I fought/stealthed probably less than 30 enemies. The whole game just feels phoned in and anemic. The sequels are dull, bland, and lacking in identity. Rise has some of the most badly-written-but-expensively-produced cut-scenes I've seen in recent memory, and after about 7 hours of Shadow I couldn't even continue it. The game is so padded with nothing that it feels like a waste of time.