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Bojack Horseman Season 5 |OT| A Sensational Season of Television

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Was anyone else caught offguard by how much of a shithead Flip Vicker turned out to be? For some reason his brief scenes at the end of last season gave me the vibe that he was going to be a naive, overly sincere auteur who didn't know how to play the Hollywoo game. I guess he was still an auteur jealously guarding his vision, but I expected him to have more of a vision and less unfocused bullshit.
 
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Froyo Love said:
Was anyone else caught offguard by how much of a shithead Flip Vicker turned out to be? For some reason his brief scenes at the end of last season gave me the vibe that he was going to be a naive, overly sincere auteur who didn't know how to play the Hollywoo game. I guess he was still an auteur jealously guarding his vision, but I expected him to have more of a vision and less unfocused bullshit.
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"I think he's actually choking her!"
"Turn the camera back on"
 

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Damn, Episode 6 was amazing.

Very heartfelt with incredible voice acting from BoJack, and the ending gag had me rolling.
 

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Blitzrules240 said:
Princess Diana died in a car accident. She also died in a tunnel. Diane was referred to as Princess Diana in the Bobo Zebra episode and the last scene is a long shot of her driving into a tunnel.
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Froyo Love said:
Was anyone else caught offguard by how much of a shithead Flip Vicker turned out to be? For some reason his brief scenes at the end of last season gave me the vibe that he was going to be a naive, overly sincere auteur who didn't know how to play the Hollywoo game. I guess he was still an auteur jealously guarding his vision, but I expected him to have more of a vision and less unfocused bullshit.
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I guess it's a take down of the genius male showrunner thing that started in the last decade.
 
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Tall4Life said:
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Oh god, I didn't put 2 and 2 together about Diane and Princess Diana and going into the tunnel.
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Just finished watching the new season

No joke as I was watching I thought it was kind of interesting they were lingering on Diane driving off. It's not like at the end of S3 when we see Bojack driving aimlessly. Presumably Diane is just driving home, why focus on it? As I was watching I was like "Oh god, are we going to see Diane get blindsighted or something?"
 
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As an asexual I greatly appreciate all the ace talk they continue to do. I'm a bit tired of Todd's wacky shenanigans though.

episode 6
I have mixed feelings about this one. The entire eulogy thing is fantastic and works really well but I don't like that the ending kinda.. undoes it all.

episode 11
Not as good but the last 11th episode. Bojack strangling Gina was a pretty shocking/surprising moment though.

episode 12
I helped a friend check into rehab a couple of weeks ago so the finale is a bit too close to reality for me ಠ_ಠ

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Princess Diana died in a car accident. She also died in a tunnel. Diane was referred to as Princess Diana in the Bobo Zebra episode and the last scene is a long shot of her driving into a tunnel.
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OH FUCK NO I would be SO mad
 

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There is definitely something up with the way the closing moments of the season were done. I think they're going for it.

They also had the sun setting over Diane. They're totally gonna off her. Maybe not in a Princess Diana way but somehow.
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Also just noticed that Diane's new haircut this season is just like Princess Diana's.... and they gave no explanation why it was like that... I think she's done.
 

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Episode 6 is some soul crushing sit down and smoke a cigarette afterwards shit.
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Episode 6 mirrors very closely to what I went through in therapy.

Like, shit. That encapsulates my entire life so far.


edit: I actually thought this season's episode 11 didn't hit as hard as previous seasons.

edit2: Oh and more to the point:
Floating Bojack may be a metaphor for him not really feeling grounded ever in his life, and he's seeing that for real in his drug-fueled stupor. He's always been floating through life, distracting himself with various vices.
 
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thank you bojack horseman because now i know under the pressure by the war on drugs.
 
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Tall4Life said:
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Oh god, I didn't put 2 and 2 together about Diane and Princess Diana and going into the tunnel.
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Joeku said:
There is definitely something up with the way the closing moments of the season were done. I think they're going for it.

They also had the sun setting over Diane. They're totally gonna off her. Maybe not in a Princess Diana way but somehow.
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Also just noticed that Diane's new haircut this season is just like Princess Diana's.... and they gave no explanation why it was like that... I think she's done.
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OH BOY.
 

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Froyo Love said:
Was anyone else caught offguard by how much of a shithead Flip Vicker turned out to be? For some reason his brief scenes at the end of last season gave me the vibe that he was going to be a naive, overly sincere auteur who didn't know how to play the Hollywoo game. I guess he was still an auteur jealously guarding his vision, but I expected him to have more of a vision and less unfocused bullshit.
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Yeah they definitely leaned into it hard. Methinks they might have sharpened him up with the #MeToo stuff.
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thank you bojack horseman because now i know under the pressure by the war on drugs.
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The S4 trailer turned me on to Saint Motel. They've definitely got my kind of taste in music.

Overall it was a good season, but I definitely think they're hitting diminishing returns on how many times they can have Bojack start in a hopeful place and then go lower. It might be true to life, but it's not engaging television after a while.
 
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Could it be possible that Alison Brie asked to be written off? I mean she has GLOW and I'm sure other projects but she is fantastic as Diane. I wonder if it could be a business decision. Guess we have a year to dread this lol...but seriously, it's amazing we're all into this theory.
 
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Finished watching it yesterday. Just what I needed: more depression!

I appreciate that the show really keeps its receipts, since it really hammers home about consequences. So glad Bojack getting help is presented and treated as the right choice, though I didn't expect this show would. This season wasn't as "hard" as previous ones, but it's still a punch in the gut so many times.
Especially interested in where PC is headed.
I also hope you're all wrong about Diane. D:
 
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I rewatched the very last minute of the final episode

It was already strangely ceremonious the first time I watched it, but now I am convinced.

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Blitzrules240 said:
Could it be possible that Alison Brie asked to be written off? I mean she has GLOW and I'm sure other projects but she is fantastic as Diane. I wonder if it could be a business decision. Guess we have a year to dread this lol...but seriously, it's amazing we're all into this theory.
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This show is filled with so much attention to detail, all the references has to be intentional. Nothing in this show is ever just a coincidence.
 
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Blitzrules240 said:
Could it be possible that Alison Brie asked to be written off? I mean she has GLOW and I'm sure other projects but she is fantastic as Diane. I wonder if it could be a business decision. Guess we have a year to dread this lol...but seriously, it's amazing we're all into this theory.
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If they're writing her off, I doubt she asked for it. And if she did ask for it, I doubt it's cause she's busy. It's a consistent paycheck, she doesn't really have to do much promotion for it, it's a fan favorite role and I bet they work really well around her schedule.
 
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So maybe and it would probably be a downer but part of Season 6 would be BoJack and Mr. Peanutbutter dealing with Diane's death and both trying to be better men because of it? Killing Diane offscreen would be such a bold choice but I wouldn't put it past Raphael Bob-Waksberg.
 
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Blitzrules240 said:
So maybe and it would probably be a downer but part of Season 6 would be BoJack and Mr. Peanutbutter dealing with Diane's death and both trying to be better men because of it? Killing Diane offscreen would be such a bold choice but I wouldn't put it past Raphael Bob-Waksberg.
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I'm hoping its a fake out and it is just a car crash, maybe a coma? God I hope that the Princess Diana bit isn't taken completely to the end.
 

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About the full season spoiler we've been talking about

It could definitely be a collection of red herrings, but I think it was also Diane who reminded Bojack that he is basically culpable for Sarah Lynn's death, and that his actions affect others much worse...
 

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Fuck, there's more too

In one of the episodes, they mention that for one season finale of horsin around, they basically ended with the question "What will happen to X character/will she be back?" and Bojack said of course she'll be back, it's a sitcom, they're not gonna let her go completely... I think the writers intentionally set this whole thing up for us to basically ask "Will Diane be alive?" for the next season, like that reference Bojack made to Horsin Around...
 
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Tall4Life said:
About the full season spoiler we've been talking about

It could definitely be a collection of red herrings, but I think it was also Diane who reminded Bojack that he is basically culpable for Sarah Lynn's death, and that his actions affect others much worse...
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I think there's a lot of evidence pointing to this being real and it would definitely be a shocker. The Princess Diana episode, the haircut, the shot of her riding into the sunset, the tunnel, the fact that she's the one who releases the Bojack Balloon that he later see's in "Heaven" during his drug trip. Also, in the song and dance routine.. Diane and Sarah Lynn are positioned right next to each other under Bojack. I could definitely see them killing her offscreen. Bojack isn't there to experience her death because he's in Rehab, we won't be there either because it's the off season. We get to experience the shock of her death the same time Bojack does, after everyone else has already grieved about it.
 
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So wait...
Bojack gets into a car accident at the end of Episode 9 and he mentions he t-boned somebody in Episode 10. Who the hell did he hit?
Does anybody think that will be a significant plot point next season?
 
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sph3re said:
So wait...
Bojack gets into a car accident at the end of Episode 9 and he mentions he t-boned somebody in Episode 10. Who the hell did he hit?
Does anybody think that will be a significant plot point next season?
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If someone died then it would have been mentioned due to it being a PR disaster for him.

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death of Diane, I think there's a huge amount of subtle hints toward it being the case. The final sequence is way too specific and deliberate for it to be as straight forward as the surface reading implies. Plus her arc is kind of... Complete? She ends the season basically inciting huge change for the major players.
 

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sph3re said:
So wait...
Bojack gets into a car accident at the end of Episode 9 and he mentions he t-boned somebody in Episode 10. Who the hell did he hit?
Does anybody think that will be a significant plot point next season?
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It's always possible.

More likely who he hit doesn't matter. It was an excuse to injure himself and get prescribed more painkillers.
 
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Froyo Love said:
Was anyone else caught offguard by how much of a shithead Flip Vicker turned out to be? For some reason his brief scenes at the end of last season gave me the vibe that he was going to be a naive, overly sincere auteur who didn't know how to play the Hollywoo game. I guess he was still an auteur jealously guarding his vision, but I expected him to have more of a vision and less unfocused bullshit.
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Not really. The first episode, when bojack came to confront him, was played him as a predator and control freak.
 

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Diane/Diana theory about her death is too convincing. Wow, this made me think about the whole season differently.
 
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Whew, I wasn't planning on watching the whole thing over the weekend since I like to pace this show out but here we are. I was really gripped by it this season I guess even if I don't think it quite hit the highs of the last season which was probably my favorite. I did like how a lot of the episodes had some pretty interesting framing devices to change up how they narrative played out since most of them were well executed.

I like how P.C. continues to get some of the best episodes, the scenes with her mother were really good and it was cool to get the reason for the fake backstory her necklace had last season. Episode 6 was seriously good as well, Will Arrnet really sold the whole concept of Bojack fumbling around with his mom's eulogy unsure of what to even say after everything that happened incredibly well. Kind of mixed on Mr. Peanutbutter's arc though since he started to show some signs of growing up after his episode but the whole proposal kind of runs against it though I suppose I shouldn't fault it too hard since that'll likely be the focus of his plot next season probably ending with them not even actually getting married.

Mood whiplash got me hard though with episode 10 starting with the return of esteemed Character Actress Margo Martindale, since I thought it was gonna lead to another break episode though I was hardly disappointed with what actually happened.

I guess it's not completely a question but was anyone else expecting anything to result from Bojack and Hollyhock stealing and subsequently tossing Gina's pills away? With Bojack's casual remark of "Who needs pills?" or something like that I was suspecting it was going to end up with them being legit medication for her that was gonna result in her having some sort of attack or yet another possible death by his hands. I suppose in the end I'm glad it didn't go such a predictable route even if his actions that caused her to cut all times with him were much more horrifying.
 
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Wanna know the funny thing about the D theory?

it's so ambiguous that I would have never gotten the hints if they were not pointed out, and now Diane's life and death is completely ambiguous exactly in the way Flip tried to make his show, except here it works.
 
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One other eerie/possibly foreshadowing thing about another character, full season spoilers
PC constantly talking about Amelia Earheart. She was dressed up as her for Halloween. We all know how she turned out, disappeared and likely dead from a plane crash or something. PC also talked about flying to the sun like Amelia, which is kind of conflated with Icarus, and we also know how he turned out.

Season 6 might be a hell of a lot of death. Both Diane and PC were linked to real life people who are possibly more notable for their deaths, I dont think any other character was associated like that
 
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Whew. Finally watched Season 5 and has been a rollercoaster for me.

Had the usual mix of laughs and drama that shows like this delivers (Henry Fondle, am I right?)

It didn't take too long for me to guess who dropped the F-bomb this season. But how it led to that was...

What the absolute FUCK, Bojack?!

One thing that really gripped me was:

Every time the "Boat" incident was mentioned in some way all season, I keep dreading that the possible C[harlotte]-Bomb was going to drop, where she would swing by to LA and just utterly RUIN Bojack, but it never happens, which was kind of frustrating to me. Episode 11, he even called her house, the one thing she literally warned him NEVER EVER TO DO, and I was actually horrified and literally yelled NO(!). Yet, her husband Kyle was too naive to pick up on why "the cable guy" was asking personal questions about Penny's "emotional scars", for one thing. Charlotte's family continues to move on, but I'm legit scared that something is going to happen to drag them back.
Anyone else had this feeling?
 
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I thought S5 was weaker than last season but it was worth it for episode six alone.
 
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Baba is You. Baba Is the Baba Who Sold The World.
Only 3 episodes in and I already had to fight the urge to cry at certain scenes. Diane and Bojack are by far the most transformed characters this season. Contrasting them to Season 1-4 is impossible and they're completely new personas right now. All of their actions, regrets, and all that put them in Season 5 are so evident.

I love the magnificent voice acting and how well both of them do a brilliant job to deliver just the right emotion at the right moment! Stupendous season so far! D:
 
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