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Box of Kittens

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Even though I know the pollsters are terrible at their jobs it still astounds me. In both polls, Wisconsin is ahead of BYU, who is ahead of California. Never mind that Cal beat BYU, who beat Wisconsin, both on the road. Honestly I would not rank any of these teams but their relative order is as clear cut as it gets.
 
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AquaRegia

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Pollsters won't completely factor out previously held expectations for a while (or ever). Just because one team beat another doesn't mean they're the "better" team, just that they won that day. It's a big factor for ranking, but not the only one.
 

Box of Kittens

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Pollsters won't completely factor out previously held expectations for a while (or ever). Just because one team beat another doesn't mean they're the "better" team, just that they won that day. It's a big factor for ranking, but not the only one.
This assumes way more thought on the part of the average pollster than they actually put into the rankings. They just move teams up a little when they win and down a little when they lose. The problem in this particular case is that there's nothing else in terms of actual results to suggest any other relative ranking of the three teams, just a bunch of preseason hype. Again the real solution here is to rank none of these teams right now.
 

Yasuke

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Aggie roomie thinks they cover 26 points against Bama. Took that bet.

This weekend will be fun.

Pollsters won't completely factor out previously held expectations for a while (or ever). Just because one team beat another doesn't mean they're the "better" team, just that they won that day. It's a big factor for ranking, but not the only one.

Meh. It's dumb.

All things being equal (meaning records), H2H result has to mean something.
 
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AquaRegia

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Oh, I agree it's very dumb. I just think it's ok for this point in the season. This sort of thing happens in week 12, all else being equal? Indefensible. Week 3? Meh.
 

LosDaddie

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In the end, if your team is in a P5 conference, then rankings don't matter. Record does.

Win and everything takes cares of itself. I mean, polls are fun for discussion but ultimately get it right in the end.
 

AquaRegia

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Our pass D will give up too many third downs. They'll get worn down, the offense will struggle.

I want to stay within 21, but I'd be hard pressed not to give the 26.
 

Yasuke

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They have given Bama good games even when they have been abysmal. You never know :P

Eh, really just last year, and even that looked closer than it was.

2014: 59-0
2015: 41-23
2016: 33-14
2017: 27-19

It hasn't been a close series since Johnny left. They're playing tougher under Jimbo, but their secondary is still a huge liability and they don't have much of a power run game.

A weak secondary against this Tide offense, in Tuscaloosa, and they're gonna be one-dimensional on offense from the jump?

Barring a bunch of injuries to Alabama defenders, it won't be much of a game.
 
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Speaking of tweets that aged well...


I really thought Ash was going to have Rutgers improved this year. I knew they wouldn't be able to hang with the OSU's of the world but fucking losing to Kansas and not only that but getting flat out curb stomped is just not forgivable. I mean he clearly isn't the guy so let him go. (I would also be okay with him being our DC again......just sayin)
 

AlteredBeast

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It's the SEC version of Infinity Wars.


But only with the special effects budget of Justice League...

Kudos to Coach O for showing the world what a bunch of pretenders that Auburn were yet again, not that it affected their ranking very much. Georgia and Alabama are going to stomp the po' boy out of his mouth and then they are going to reel that hotseat back out again. Mississippi State and some other team they should beat but won't, as well. 9-3 or 8-4 still, book it.
 

andycapps

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Since we're posting videos of alleged QB controversies, here's the highlights for Fields and Fromm. Fields is really improving a lot. Made some nice passes and had one run in particular where he made a couple guys miss that definitely shows something that Fromm can't do. Fromm is somewhat mobile but that's just a different level.

And Fromm had some really nice throws. Some where he made a nice throw after going several deep in his reads, probably not something they'd want Fields to do (or that he could do quickly enough at this stage).


 

Bucknuticus

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Lets balance it out

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andycapps

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This guy can't just shut the hell up. We get it, you don't think you did anything wrong. Fuck off.

Continues to say he had a misstatement at Media Days. No, that was a lie.

 

MIMIC

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So my office is awful quiet today (Tallahassee). Nobody's talking about college football today.

I wonder why *thinking emoji*

I'm 3 seconds away from pissing everyone off, lol. My co-worker who doesn't watch college football is egging me on, too xD
 

Xita

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So my office is awful quiet today (Tallahassee). Nobody's talking about college football today.

I wonder why *thinking emoji*

I'm 3 seconds away from pissing everyone off, lol. My co-worker who doesn't watch college football is egging me on, too xD

Just imagine how quiet it'll be by the end of the season!
 

andycapps

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The Death Star is now fully operational, I WILL CELEBRATE.
We're building a backup Death Star not far away!

You know I was thinking about that same thing this morning. The Death Star had a weakness and just like that, Bama has a weakness that everyone knows about. The placekicking has been an issue for years. Almost lost them the game in the NC last year. I don't get how Saban has been able to get everything clicking except for that.
 

Yasuke

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We're building a backup Death Star not far away!

You know I was thinking about that same thing this morning. The Death Star had a weakness and just like that, Bama has a weakness that everyone knows about. The placekicking has been an issue for years. Almost lost them the game in the NC last year. I don't get how Saban has been able to get everything clicking except for that.

Kicking is such a weird thing to recruit a player to do. The position is full of headcases, and I feel like Bama's string of misses at the position is a self-fulfilling prophecy at this point; the kickers know that everyone expects them to miss and they go out there and do just that.
 

andycapps

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Kicking is such a weird thing to recruit a player to do. The position is full of headcases, and I feel like Bama's string of misses at the position is a self-fulfilling prophecy at this point; the kickers know that everyone expects them to miss and they go out there and do just that.
Specialists are definitely a different breed and you have to have someone working with them that gets them. They're very fragile.

Urban has his first press conference at 11:45 today so we'll hear more of his shit.
 
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Bucknuticus

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Bama hasnt played a defense ranked better than 80th this season and wont until LSU and Miss. Not saying they arent legit because bama looks the best they have in years (and thats saying something) but lets pump the breaks a bit.
 

EnronERA

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Bama hasnt played a defense ranked better than 80th this season and wont until LSU and Miss. Not saying they arent legit because bama looks the best they have in years (and thats saying something) but lets pump the breaks a bit.

Yeah, the Tua hype is getting ridiculous at this point. I have no doubt he'll finish in the top 5 or 10 of just about every qb stat that matters, but folks are acting like he's the best QB to ever touch a football. Slow down there, folks.
 
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Specialists are definitely a different breed and you have to have someone working with them that gets them. They're very fragile.

Urban has his first press conference at 11:45 today so we'll hear more of his shit.

You won't hear anything about anything other than football related things. His whole reason for doing the interview and his latest tweet are essentially to say these are my answers to any questions regarding this. Honestly he just needs to shut the hell up about it anyway.
 

Yasuke

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Bama hasnt played a defense ranked better than 80th this season and wont until LSU and Miss. Not saying they arent legit because bama looks the best they have in years (and thats saying something) but lets pump the breaks a bit.

Mnah.

Same offense lit up a pretty damn great defense in UGA to win the natty, in one half. I ain't pumping shit on that side of the ball.

Now, the defense I understand taking the wait and see approach with (I can't believe I just typed that).
 

Lunar15

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I never realized that they sing "Won't Back Down" during the period between the 3rd and 4th quarters at UF games now.

I guess that's kinda cool? Do they not sing We Are The Boys anymore? Always enjoyed singing it, although it's getting really dated now.
 

andycapps

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Mnah.

Same offense lit up a pretty damn great defense in UGA to win the natty, in one half. I ain't pumping shit on that side of the ball.

Now, the defense I understand taking the wait and see approach with (I can't believe I just typed that).
Was also the first time anyone saw Tua for an extended period of time and where UGA had prepared for Jalen. Tua also went 14/24 for 166 yards, 3 TDs and 1 INT. Not exactly lit up.
 

Yasuke

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26 points against a top 5 defense in two quarters and an OT possession is pretty damn great, by any measure.

Was also the first time anyone saw Tua for an extended period of time and where UGA had prepared for Jalen. Tua also went 14/24 for 166 yards, 3 TDs and 1 INT. Not exactly lit up.

I enjoy the "there was no tape on Tua" bit, and am curious to see if that's gonna be a thing by season's end.

Those 166 yards Tua threw weren't the only yards the offense generated; I'm not just talking about him, I'm talking about the whole unit. They played a pretty great half of football against y'all, and y'all are a stout defense.

Not arguing Tua is some worldbeater on his own; just that the offense is pretty great, whoever they've played.
 

andycapps

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26 points against a top 5 defense in two quarters and an OT possession is pretty damn great, by any measure.



I enjoy the "there was no tape on Tua" bit, and am curious to see if that's gonna be a thing by season's end.

Those 166 yards Tua threw weren't the only yards the offense generated; I'm not just talking about him, I'm talking about the whole unit. They played a pretty great half of football against y'all, and y'all are a stout defense.

Not arguing Tua is some worldbeater on his own; just that the offense is pretty great, whoever they've played.
Of course there was tape on him. But going into that game, nobody expected him to play. Jalen was the guy. And he was, until he had 21 yards passing at halftime. Tua definitely moved the offense better than the quicksand that Jalen had, but it's undoubtedly different to prepare for a guy that rushes first and can't complete anything to someone like Tua who is capable of running an offense.

UGA was a good defense but the DB Tua put all his stats on was the weak link and is now gone. That's really the weakest team Smart will have, talent wise.

The Bama offense is humming along well now. Let's just see what they do when they play better defenses.
 

Svadhyaya

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Was also the first time anyone saw Tua for an extended period of time and where UGA had prepared for Jalen. Tua also went 14/24 for 166 yards, 3 TDs and 1 INT. Not exactly lit up.

Of course there was tape on him. But going into that game, nobody expected him to play. Jalen was the guy.

This point is used so often and it's just false.

They go to [freshman quarterback] Tua [Tagovailoa] in the second half. Was that something you expected to see in this game?

KIRBY SMART: Yes, absolutely. We talked long about it and talked about the ways we play him. We played enough snaps. We'd seen him on tape. We told everybody at halftime there was no question they were going to him because they were struggling and they needed some momentum. He provided them some juice, got them some momentum, got the momentum swung back their way.

Kirby expected him to play.
 

Yasuke

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Of course there was tape on him. But going into that game, nobody expected him to play. Jalen was the guy. And he was, until he had 21 yards passing at halftime. Tua definitely moved the offense better than the quicksand that Jalen had, but it's undoubtedly different to prepare for a guy that rushes first and can't complete anything to someone like Tua who is capable of running an offense.

UGA was a good defense but the DB Tua put all his stats on was the weak link and is now gone. That's really the weakest team Smart will have, talent wise.

The Bama offense is humming along well now. Let's just see what they do when they play better defenses.

That's just such a weird take. What'd your DB's spend all week doing? Forgetting how to cover anybody because they were playing one QB who they didn't think could pass very well? They all of a sudden had never heard of defending a forward pass before? Lmao cut the shit.

I acknowledge that y'all will be better going forward; I also acknowledge the same of our offense. Like you said, that was Tua's first extended time in a game that hadn't been decided yet. He and the rest of our offense are only going to get better too. Which is why I'm glad they already seem to be in good form.

I don't get why saying "hey, that Alabama offense looks impressive" is such a hot take.


Oh my.

Well there goes that argument.

We're all a bunch of forum goers and most of us could read the writing on the wall with Tua with his little bit of playing time. You seriously think UGA didn't account for that?
 
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