If you admit that you don't listen to rap, why would you assume that you have a clue about its current state of affairs?
Like, cite where DRAKE uses a homophobic slur LOL
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How is Eminem still saying f*ggot in 2018? Seriously?
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If you admit that you don't listen to rap, why would you assume that you have a clue about its current state of affairs?
Like, cite where DRAKE uses a homophobic slur LOL
I wasn't implying it's good, it just is what it is. Machismo is a major aspect for sure, but that's not saying being hateful or using that word is fundamental to rap. For the record I don't like the word, and I don't use it. It's just an argument I've never understood; in the heat of the moment, you're pissed off, why would you censor yourself as not to offend someone? You want to say the shit that will cut to the core.
I remember some music video where he's with friends at a house having a party and im pretty sure he uses the same word in that song. I hear it half the time when I listen to rap. I don't care enough to go find the song, but I'm sure I heard it.
Fair. But maybe it should be something else then. And excusing it is the best way to keep it the same.
And that's just it. When i'm angry i don't use racial or homophobe slurs because that's not where my mind goes. It's the same with heated gaming moments. The fact that some people immediately go there when they lose control is the problem. It tells me exactly where their mind's at.
It's not a heated moment, he had plenty of time to edit anything he wanted.
You hear it half the time? Are you listening to older rap from Em, Tyler, and a couple of other artists who had an edge in their songs or are you just pulling tales? That slur is rarely used in today's rap songs. The only person I can think of who used it in recent years is Trae the Truth and he's not even a big name in the game.
Drake has never said that slur in his music. I don't know what the hell you were listening to.
You don't listen to a lot of rap...
...but when you do listen to rap you hear it half the time?
Thing I hate about rap is how much it promotes negativity. Bunch of cats degrading each other to fresh beats..
Put that shit louder doe
Put that shit louder doe
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Get outta here with this weak reach lmao. "I hear it half the time.... But I don't listen to rap really... But drake said it.... But I don't remember the song and I won't look it up" This shit is so disingenuous.
Most of his fans didn't grow up, is the problem.
The bravest thing Eminem's done since 2005 is that anti-Trump freestyle. Not because it's brave to attack Trump - it's pretty common - and not because it was good - it wasn't. But because most of his fanbase is middle-or-high-class white people who think Eminem is the GOAT because he's white and hold him up as evidence that they don't hate rap even though they do.
I love when supposed Eminem fans acted surprised about it and made a big deal about it even though Eminem famously hated Bush and was anti Republican and suddenly Eminem was getting too political
To be honest, I wasn't really surprised by Eminem's diss, and I was even less surprised by Trump's lack of response to it.
Eminem's fanbase is largely white, but his cred comes from the respect given him as a white rapper by a black audience, and his place in this industry...which is also largely black.
Being a white rapper, and such a prominent one, if he wanted to continue making albums and maintaining his position in this industry, dissing Trump was arguably to easier thing to do versus not.
I appreciated that diss, but I didn't find it brave.
My feelings on this are:
I don't condone the use of the word. Has Eminem matured since the likes of the MMLP, well yeah obviously, infact Recovery was a far cry from any of his earlier work but let's not forget or try to make out the likes of Stan and Sing for the moment weren't mature pieces of music either, they were.
His album before Kamikaze, Revival (which I didn't enjoy that much as an Eminem fan) was actual so mature it got fucking panned because people moaned that we don't like this new Eminem we like angry Eminem blah blah. So he thought fuck it and one of those people was Tyler the Creator. Tyler liked Eminem' s and D12's music, he went on tour with them, they were cool then he dissed Eminem' s music, that's a little snake type shit. Eminem said he worshipped there balls, he's sacrilegious. So he's making fun of him there. But you gotta understand that when it comes to insults in the rap game nothing is off the table, not race, not sexuality not nothing. Anything can and will be said to offend you.
That's the nature of the game, the rap game isn't based on sympathy, or it wasn't. But the rap game isn't what it used to be.
Also if you've actually ever listened to Eminem' s music since day one, he admits to saying this shit just to piss you off, just to fuck with you. Once again it's working.
I don't condone the use of the word. Has Eminem matured since the likes of the MMLP, well yeah obviously, infact Recovery was a far cry from any of his earlier work but let's not forget or try to make out the likes of Stan and Sing for the moment weren't mature pieces of music either, they were.
His album before Kamikaze, Revival (which I didn't enjoy that much as an Eminem fan) was actual so mature it got fucking panned because people moaned that we don't like this new Eminem we like angry Eminem blah blah. So he thought fuck it and one of those people was Tyler the Creator. Tyler liked Eminem' s and D12's music, he went on tour with them, they were cool then he dissed Eminem' s music, that's a little snake type shit. Eminem said he worshipped there balls, he's sacrilegious. So he's making fun of him there. But you gotta understand that when it comes to insults in the rap game nothing is off the table, not race, not sexuality not nothing. Anything can and will be said to offend you.
That's the nature of the game, the rap game isn't based on sympathy, or it wasn't. But the rap game isn't what it used to be.
Also if you've actually ever listened to Eminem' s music since day one, he admits to saying this shit just to piss you off, just to fuck with you. Once again it's working.
Ok so, as someone pointed out earlier, what's then to stop Eminem or any other white rapper from just going to "nigger" whenever they get into a beef with a black rapper? And if they did, would that be acceptable "just because rap?"
This idea that there has never been a standard to rap lyrics is false, if for no other reason than skill. Good rap, and good rap disses, has always been about flow and intelligent wordplay. Not just slinging the most offensive words you can think of. That's boring, and requires no skill because anyone can do that.
It's also, coincidentally, the same exact argument racists use when they get caught in their racism. "I'm not racist! I called him a nigger because he cut me off at the light, not because I'm racist!"
There's nothing to stop them, they could use that word if they wanted.
"That's why I fucked your bitch you fat mother fucker"
That's not intelligent wordplay is it. Same guy that wrote Dear Mama and many other incredible songs. He also said "fuck these fag niggers" on all out.
Prodigy said fuck a faggot nigger Keith murray and his whole clique.
So this language isn't anything new. It's only an issue because Eminem is still selling records in 2018.
Once again I don't condone the language but it's part of the history, lyrically. Sometimes it's not about witty wordplay, sometimes it's straight to the point no beating round the bush.
"That's why I fucked your bitch, you fat motherfucker." is not an example of intelligent wordplay. But it is an example of something I mentioned earlier that makes a diss track good: receipts and dirty laundry. Long after people forget the specific lyrics to Pusha T's Drake diss, they'll remember it as the moment the world found out that Drake had a secret kid.
But that's beside the point.
Nobody is saying this language is new, and certainly nobody cares about how much Eminem is selling. Society has changed, and that's the whole point. What was OK in Hip Hop two decades ago is not OK now, just like it was once OK for white comedians to do black face to portray black people they were lampooning, and that's certainly not OK now. Society changes. Eminem called a bisexual dude a faggot in 2018...*slow clap*...wow, such lyricism. The context of history only absolves you from judgment of your past actions (and even then only barely, because gay people certainly were complaining about it back then); history does not serve as an excuse, nor absolve you from criticism, when you continue the same fuckshit at a point when society has largely moved on and decided that...yeah, using homophobic language as a person with a platform has long-term ramifications of persecuted minorities and alienates fans of the genre, and if you continue to use those words then....yeah, you're kind of a dick.
And none of this means that Eminem is legally banned from saying the word. He can say it all he wants. But that doesn't make it society's fault that Eminem is insistent on positioning himself as an out-of-touch relic. It's Em's. And clearly he knows that, seeing as he walked those words back right quick.
I guess Em's just an older rapper who's already cemented his legacy and doesn't care much for the new mainstream or who he offends.
He is who he is. Not everyone has to be likable.
He is who he is. Not everyone has to be likable.
The "character" defense is also being thrown around a lot and it bugs me. The idea that he's playing Eminem and only Eminem is homophobic, not Marshall.
While I agree that obviously Eminem is an act to some extent, there is both a question of what the act is achieving, and a question on where the line between act and actor lies when the person in question lives a public persona.
Long story short, it's frustrating and gross no matter how you cut it.
While I agree that obviously Eminem is an act to some extent, there is both a question of what the act is achieving, and a question on where the line between act and actor lies when the person in question lives a public persona.
Long story short, it's frustrating and gross no matter how you cut it.
I don't even know how to respond to this post really. Besides it's extremely disheartening to categorize saying a gay slur as just him trying not to be likable. Honestly fuck that.
Before of after Macklemore?
Nope. Hip-hop didn't exist until Eminem exposed tons of white kids to the genre and made it ok to listen to.
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It was mainstream for MC's to say waaaaaaay before Eminem even came around
This is very true, and also explains certain folk in the games industry. Gaining millions of dollars and a horde of horrible fans does not lead to self-growth.
Probably because stupid people think it's "edgy", the same way musical artists get away with any number of derogatory or racist terms.
I don't think he's trying to offend anyone more than he's just being who he is. If he filtered his language to be inoffensive, his raps would be fake like every other commercial act.
I'd bet most mainstream rappers and their handlers hold a lot of themselves back for brand reasons. Eminem is past the point of having to think about all that. He made his career off being controversial by putting his every thought out there to begin with.
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Lol at all the "you don't listen to rap huh" replies here. What the hell kind of shit y'all listening to that f*ggot is constantly getting in your ears. None of the major albums from the last few years have that word in them, not drake, not Jay, not Kendrick, not even Kanye... If you are gonna quote me xxxtentacion or 6ix9ine saying it or something then lol. I'm talking about fucking Eminem.
The last homophobic controversy I remember was when offset said "I don't vibe with queers" and he apologized and removed the lyric after a big backlash. This shit doesn't fly in mainstream rap anymore and it's disingenuous to say that it's part of the genre.
The last homophobic controversy I remember was when offset said "I don't vibe with queers" and he apologized and removed the lyric after a big backlash. This shit doesn't fly in mainstream rap anymore and it's disingenuous to say that it's part of the genre.
I don't care his intentions or how 'fake' his act is. Stop saying the fucking word.
I don't care.
All you're doing is giving reasons why you think he's doing this. You have yet to chime in (as far as I can tell) whether you think it's fucked up.
I fully agree with this as someone who's gay and loves rap.
I honestly don't care or even think it's all that fucked up. Calling some dude a faggot is pretty low in the rankings of shocking or offensive lyrics.
To me, 'fucked up' would be singling out someone who's actually gay and using those kinds of slurs against them. I realize there's rumors that Tyler the Creator is possibly gay, but he is/was a bit of shock rapper that likes to troll last I recall. Em's diss on him suggests that he doesn't believe he's gay.
Well I think your opinion is asinine and you have a severe lack of empathy. The idea that it is only fucked up if the person is gay (as if every gay person is out publicly) is stupid. Bye now.
How about read up on the history of the person being dissed instead of hiding behind not recalling it too well.
Also not believing someone is gay even when they say they are is homophobic. More so than just saying faggot.
We've done this before.
Eminem is a rap personality. He supported Gay marriage, and that Sia song he and her did sent proceeds to lgbtq charities(or just one, cant remember). Its offensive to use the word in normal social situations. The man is offensive 99.9% of the time, its his job to do so. Its not "OK." but its not killing his record deals either. People need to vote with their wallets on this one. Its a very dated insult in the rap game, and shows his age/disconnect. Hes from the time of growing up, Louis CK even did this bit, where the word doesn't mean anything bad towards homosexuals, but it means lame/punk/weak*(Which is literally just as insulting)*. But, thats the position hes gone on record with.
I'd think that you'd realize this in 2018. He didn't, im sure he will try to clear it up again. Considering that he was already hit for this back in th day. I have no idea why he thought to himself that it was cool to do, and that no one in his circle said "dude, its 2018. Come up with something else."
It just takes away from everything else that he seems very progressive with.
Eminem is a rap personality. He supported Gay marriage, and that Sia song he and her did sent proceeds to lgbtq charities(or just one, cant remember). Its offensive to use the word in normal social situations. The man is offensive 99.9% of the time, its his job to do so. Its not "OK." but its not killing his record deals either. People need to vote with their wallets on this one. Its a very dated insult in the rap game, and shows his age/disconnect. Hes from the time of growing up, Louis CK even did this bit, where the word doesn't mean anything bad towards homosexuals, but it means lame/punk/weak*(Which is literally just as insulting)*. But, thats the position hes gone on record with.
I'd think that you'd realize this in 2018. He didn't, im sure he will try to clear it up again. Considering that he was already hit for this back in th day. I have no idea why he thought to himself that it was cool to do, and that no one in his circle said "dude, its 2018. Come up with something else."
It just takes away from everything else that he seems very progressive with.
I don't agree with either of those points. He has yet another number one album and the mass consensus is that people like it.