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Dragnipur

Banned
Feb 27, 2018
741
I think a lot of you are underestimating how important iconography like this frog is to the alt right movement. It's designed to look silly and stupid on the surface, and to elicit the reactions that many people in this thread are having. That doesn't make it any less recognizable or empowering to those who are actually a part of the movement.

It's possible that this Denis guy really did use it innocently, but as I think it should be discouraged for anyone to use Pepe at all, my decision to ban it from the household stands.


I agree that this thread is kind of a shitshow and might need to be locked, but it's not because of me or my parenting decisions. Many of you should take a step back and think about what's happening in our culture right now.
You're ridiculous. This thread is a shitshow because of you not because of us. It isn't empowering the alt right whenever someone says "Feels bad man" or posts a pepe meme.

Please explain how anything in this video is a concern:
https://youtu.be/ZLUb7UAs_tA?t=10m52s
 
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Leek

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
732
I don't think banning something she appears to enjoy because of some paranoia over a frog character is going to do you any favours with her. She won't thank you for it and will probably watch it anyway, especially since it appears she doesn't live with you. If she fails to see the harm that you perceive to be there, it'll just hurt your credibility in future.

If you truly don't want your child to pick up any undesirable views, give them fair, reasoned discussions about why you think the way you do, and don't just give arbitrary knee-jerk reactions to forcibly steer them into your way of thinking. If you can steer them one way, then they'll be just as easily steered any other.
 

sph3re

One Winged Slayer
Avenger
Oct 28, 2017
8,403
So much this...and then using his step-daughter as an excuse to make the thread
That makes it even worse. The original thread was fine in and of itself, but considering OP already decided that Pepe wasn't allowed in his house, what was even the point of making the thread?
No but it should. I'm a Conservative Republican but in these forms that is treated like your some evil nazi. How about you have some Terrelarance you always scream about.

That said I'm not against LGBT or Immegration when done properly. I'm against outrageous hand outs and bigger government. believe in the family unit and rules
I'll tell you this much, you certainly aren't a grammar Nazi.
 

Dremorak

Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,719
New Zealand
I dont let my kids watch Roblox videos at all anymore, its more than just minecraft (people can add custom animations and I think art) and there have been reports of people using it for vile shit, so I dont let my kids even watch others play roblox
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,843
There's nothing wrong with Pepe, getting mad at a video using it is a ridiculous overreaction. He just feels bad, man.

If you see the smug variant of Pepe, then you might want to get wary as that one gained popularity at the same time as internet Nazis started getting into it. If you see a groyper, then it's definitely a Nazi and you should immediately ban that streamer from your household.
 

gnoclaude

Banned
Nov 30, 2017
169
Seriously? If his content bothers you don't watch. If it doesnt who cares why he uses a funny meme pic. A decade a go these posts would be in an onion article. Do people really have to come on the internet for permission to enjoy videos? Would his videos have been fine without a frog? Maybe this was just a low key way to put a youtuber on blast because he thought pepe was funny. PSA? Ok...
 

danhz

Member
Apr 20, 2018
3,244
We use it everyday on twitch and I dont think most of community uses for the political purposes, i think it just trascended as a meme.
But u can watch some the videos and see if hes using it with any subliminal purpose or not.
 

Dorfdad

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
731
That makes it even worse. The original thread was fine in and of itself, but considering OP already decided that Pepe wasn't allowed in his house, what was even the point of making the thread?

I'll tell you this much, you certainly aren't a grammar Nazi.

You are correct. Also typing in an iPhone doesn't help me.
 

Myradeer

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,427
Canada
I mean try to guage the context, but lot of normal words and images have been co-opted to become derogatory; Japanese rising sun is a good example, as any imagery reflecting the flag of Imperial Japan immediately come under significant controversy in Korea and China. So at minimum that youtuber do not mind his brand being associated with pepe, intentional or not.
 

nicolasacmf

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
1,515
Sorry OP, but I'm gonna give it to you straight: this is exactly the kind of bad parenting that lead me to resent most parents I had to deal with during my time as a teacher. The utter lack of interest and their attempts to take shortcuts. "I checked with friends and acquaintances" isn't good enough. People need to fucking PAY ATTENTION to what their children are doing/watching. I'm not saying parents should be obsessed and never allow their children space (they ARE humans and they DO need space too, after all), but for fuck's sake, be THERE. Don't just ask online. Be invested in your children and try to do what's best for them instead of "checking" with random people to make a decision that'll influence them.
 

Surface of Me

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,207
I think a lot of you are underestimating how important iconography like this frog is to the alt right movement. It's designed to look silly and stupid on the surface, and to elicit the reactions that many people in this thread are having. That doesn't make it any less recognizable or empowering to those who are actually a part of the movement.

It's possible that this Denis guy really did use it innocently, but as I think it should be discouraged for anyone to use Pepe at all, my decision to ban it from the household stands.


I agree that this thread is kind of a shitshow and might need to be locked, but it's not because of me or my parenting decisions. Many of you should take a step back and think about what's happening in our culture right now.

You're giving Nazis power by giving in to them. Can't wait for your next thread asking how to punish your child for doing the "Nazi hand sign" more commonly known and used as the okay hand sign. Do you drink milk? The nazis took that too if you haven't heard. Stop drinking milk unless you support Nazis.
 

Karlinel

Prophet of Truth
Banned
Nov 10, 2017
7,826
Mallorca, Spain
Probably you should watch the vids yourself, OP. Pepe seems to be very popular (which I can't understand tbh) and without seeing for yourself...well, you could be overreacting.
Luckily alt-righters are proud of their ideas so it won't take much time to know wether he's a Jontron or a...idk, a harmless youtuber who likes ugly memes, I guess.
 

¡Hip Hop!

Member
Nov 9, 2017
1,837
This is the kind of shit that leads kids to question their parents' judgement. So at least you're gonna sharpen her critical thinking skills.

Bonus resentment points for banning something she enjoys purely because of a frog picture.
 
Oct 27, 2017
5,347
I'm sure neonazis are also fond of Spongebob and Shrek memes, but they're still funny if you don't associate them with these kind of movements. Besides, as an European, you should understand that most people here don't even know what the alt right is, so pepe is just a funny image of a sad cartoon frog
 

Dragnipur

Banned
Feb 27, 2018
741
User banned (5 days): Excessive hostility towards fellow members.
My stepdaughter is here for the weekend and she has very recently started watching streams of somebody named "Denis" playing Roblox racing courses.

It seemed innocent enough for a while, and then I noticed that he was in a racing cart thing that is decorated with pictures of Pepe the frog - the sad version that existed before it was coopted by the alt right.

This immediately set off alarm bells but I didn't notice anything else that might be suspect.

Still, it makes me uneasy. Should I be concerned about this guy?
Hey OP I decided to do your job for you since it seems you can't be bothered to try and be a good parent - he isn't part of the alt right (although his videos are clearly catered to 5 year olds). You're welcome! The icing on the cake here is that you probably only see your stepdaughter on the weekends, so she's just gonna ignore your dumbass rules when she's not with you anyway. Nice parenting job!
 

Ignis

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,757
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Come on brah...
 

Dragnipur

Banned
Feb 27, 2018
741
I did some digging and out of the many many videos Denis has this is what he was talking about:

https://youtu.be/ZLUb7UAs_tA?t=10m52s

Only video that has pepe, it's not a level he created either it's just a community level he decided to play, and this is what OP is freaking out over. If OP bothered to do any research he'd realize this wasn't a big deal. Parent of the year.
 
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Doc Kelso

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,165
NYC
I did some digging and out of the many many videos Denis has this is what he was talking about:

https://youtu.be/ZLUb7UAs_tA?t=10m52s

Only video that has pepe, it's not a level he created either it's just a community level he decided to play, and this is what OP is freaking out over. If OP bothered to do any research he'd realize this wasn't a big deal. Parent of the year.
The sheer amount of old school meme-ry in this video is making me feel ancient. It's also a dead giveaway that it's a harmless pepe considering there's doge and peanut butter jelly time banana.
 

¡Hip Hop!

Member
Nov 9, 2017
1,837
I did some digging and out of the many many videos Denis has this is what he was talking about:
https://youtu.be/ZLUb7UAs_tA?t=10m52s
Only video that has pepe, it's not a level he created either it's just a community level he decided to play, and this is what OP is freaking out over. If OP bothered to do any research he'd realize this wasn't a big deal. Parent of the year.
NOT IN MY HOUSEHOLD!

My parents made some dumb rules too. I'm now older and understand being a parent doesn't magically give you all the answers. I also know that stupid restrictions like this don't help anything.
 

Djkhaled

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
557
No but it should. I'm a Conservative Republican but in these forms that is treated like your some evil nazi. How about you have some Terrelarance you always scream about.

That said I'm not against LGBT or Immegration when done properly. I'm against outrageous hand outs and bigger government. believe in the family unit and rules
There's no such thing as the alt left
 

Camjo-Z

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,514
I did some digging and out of the many many videos Denis has this is what he was talking about:

https://youtu.be/ZLUb7UAs_tA?t=10m52s

Only video that has pepe, it's not a level he created either it's just a community level he decided to play, and this is what OP is freaking out over. If OP bothered to do any research he'd realize this wasn't a big deal. Parent of the year.

>peanut butter jelly time banana
>tails gets trolled
>doritos and dew

Yep, that's clearly alt-right signalling and not just a meme-y user created map.

It may be time to accept that you overreacted OP.
 

Deleted member 8861

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 26, 2017
10,564
As it's been co-opted, I worry about its usage in kid friendly video, it might lead to them going "haha what's this funny frog" and seeing what it's become

I think an adult using it for other adults is context dependent though, it isn't necessarily offensive. Just might not be appropriate for kids.

Telling her that might make the frog a bigger deal than it was, though.
 
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ThLunarian

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 26, 2017
1,547
Where did any of you get the impression that I don't pay attention to what my stepdaughter is watching? Asking what people know about a streamer that she just started watching doesn't make me lazy, it means I'm trying to do my homework.

My decision to not allow that channel to be streamed in my house has more to do with the use of Pepe imagery than it does anything else. I am disappointed at so many of you who don't think neo Nazi iconography is a big deal.

A lot of you are also being unreasonably mean about this. I suggest you take a step back and realize that you are viciously defending a cartoon frog that neo Nazis like to use to spread their ideology.
 

Dragnipur

Banned
Feb 27, 2018
741
As it's been co-opted, I worry about its usage in kid friendly video, it might lead to them going "haha what's this funny frog" and seeing what it's become

I think an adult using it for other adults is context dependent though, it isn't necessarily offensive. Just might not be appropriate for kids.

Telling her that might make the frog a bigger deal than it was, though.
see
https://youtu.be/ZLUb7UAs_tA?t=10m52s
Where did any of you get the impression that I don't pay attention to what my stepdaughter is watching? Asking what people know about a streamer that she just started watching doesn't make me lazy, it means I'm trying to do my homework.

My decision to not allow that channel to be streamed in my house has more to do with the use of Pepe imagery than it does anything else. I am disappointed at so many of you who don't think neo Nazi iconography is a big deal.

A lot of you are also being unreasonably mean about this. I suggest you take a step back and realize that you are viciously defending a cartoon frog that neo Nazis like to use to spread their ideology.
I was being unreasonably mean earlier, but it was a single video out of hundreds that used that imagery in a time before pepe became something used by the alt right. Look:
https://youtu.be/ZLUb7UAs_tA?t=10m52s
It's innocuous and was a one off thing, and Pepe wasn't used by the alt right at that time. He didn't even create that level, it was a community upload with other memes like PB&J guy. You should reconsider.
 

Sei

Member
Oct 28, 2017
5,717
LA
OP sounds like you already made up your mind.

If you think Pepe is bad, then just stop watching that channel.
 
Oct 27, 2017
6,942
We use it everyday on twitch and I dont think most of community uses for the political purposes, i think it just trascended as a meme.
But u can watch some the videos and see if hes using it with any subliminal purpose or not.
I think you vastly underestimate twitch chat and how vile most of them are with emotes dude
 

antitrop

Member
Oct 25, 2017
12,605
I think you vastly underestimate twitch chat and how vile most of them are with emotes dude
Even with Twitch chat being as awful with some emotes as they can be, Pepe emotes are still relatively harmless.

It's usually just someone using monkaS to express nervousness, or the classic FeelsBadMan, or some variation like FeelsBirthdayMan to wish someone a Happy Birthday, etc.

Ya people are going to be racist and sexist with emotes like TriHard and HotPokket, but I just don't see Pepe being used in those ways on Twitch.
 

Jerry Orbach

Banned
Oct 30, 2017
124
All living things strive to discharge their power; you have the power to take something away from your stepdaughter, failure to exercise it would be a crime against nature.
 

Kinsei

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
20,550
correct me if im wrong but isnt the alt right essentially just a different way to say "extreme right"?

in which case yes there is an "alt-left"

maybe im thinking about it wrong tho idk
No. The alt right was something white nationalists started to call themselves since calling yourself a white nationalist is a good way to get everyone to ignore you.
 

Deleted member 43077

User requested account closure
Banned
May 9, 2018
5,741
I suggest you take a step back and realize that you are viciously defending a cartoon frog that neo Nazis like to use to spread their ideology.
I suggest you take a step back and realize that you are overreacting over a cartoon frog that many people use for many different reasons.

This is the internet, and quite frankly if all it takes is "association" to nazism to ban something completely for you then ban everything your child watches because everything and everyone has been drawn with a swastika arm band and mustache.
unless you think thats ridiculous because the source material had nothing to do with nazi- oh wait.