I really don't think Square would care what his series icon would beBut Nintendo has the rights to Waluigi. Geno is a Square Enix character.
I really don't think Square would care what his series icon would beBut Nintendo has the rights to Waluigi. Geno is a Square Enix character.
This is how I view most Square Enix reps chances
Final Fantasy VII - Zack Fair would be one of the easiest echoes, I think he's kinda inevitable if DLC happens and includes echoes. Logistically they've already cleared the same hoops for Cloud.
Sora - Disney has a working relationship with Nintendo, it'd make some sense for him not to be on the box (if you believe in that theory), and he'd also have easy echo potentiality.
Crono - Kinda forgotten except by JRPG fans.
Geno - Kinda forgotten except by very vocal Smash fans for well over a decade, which gives him something of a chance. Also appeared as a costume already.
Dragon Quest - Sugiyama is a Problem. In more ways than one. Also lacks in worldwide recognition to the extent it might not be worth negotiating for a playable rep. Slime Assist Trophy? Sure, why not.
Lara Croft - Her classic design is synonymous with realistic pistols, her modern design is basically a sadistic Predator who might be a bit too viscerally murder-y for Smash.
Bravely Default - Big on 3DS, could represent the FF series' Job system without being a FF rep, and Edea is great. On the downside, the franchise is basically dormant. For now.
Neku Sakuraba - TWEWY isn't a huge property but it is practically a Nintendo exclusive IP if you discount the mobile port. Would make for a very unique fighter. Sakurai might like the jams?
2B - NieR Automata blew up last year but no one really saw it coming. Could be DLC?
Bub and/or Bob - Taito needs some love and they're probably better suited than Space Invaders. Don't have much of a move pool, however.
Gex - A Hard Lock
Why is that? First-party characters are more likely because there are many less hurdles.
Oh yeah forgot about that. Then just give Geno a star as his series icon then. Based on the fact that 'FINAL FANTASY VII' is it's own series in Smash, i'm willing to get that 'Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars' will be a separate series as well.
Why is that? First-party characters are more likely because there are many less hurdles.
Why is that? First-party characters are more likely because there are many less hurdles.
Because some of the hardcore fans want him. And one of those hardcore fans is Sakurai himself.
A ton of characters are fan favourites, there is no way that all of them will be able to be included. Not even including Geno, we've still got Isaac, Banjo-Kazooie, Sora, Dixie Kong and Bandana Waddle Dee.Because Sakurai is picking fan favourite characters for Smash Ultimate, and Geno is one of them.
A ton of characters are fan favourites, there is no way that all of them will be able to be included. Not even including Geno, we've still got Isaac, Banjo-Kazooie, Sora, Dixie Kong and Bandana Waddle Dee.
Licensing. Square still holds the copyright to big chunks of Mario RPG. Legally speaking Geno is not a Mario character, he's a Mario RPG character.
Character wasn't relevant enough, and Sakurai wasn't sure that he would actually have enough fan support to put in the game, iirc.What was the reason as to why Geno didn't work out again? I think there was no real reason given.
So what? Why would Square care if Geno was grouped with the Mario characters? If Geno's in, I really doubt Square cares how he's handled at all, not like they're ever going to use the character again.
Excuse me?False. That was never the reason given by Sakurai. He acknowledged multiple times that Geno was a highly requested characters.
It'd be nice if we could avoid misinformation.
https://sourcegaming.info/2016/02/21/nintendodream3/
Yeah, that makes zero sense. Mario is right there in the title.
Is it the licensing for Final Fantasy music that is expensive, or is that Square music in general is expensive?Honestly the only problem with another FF character is the music license.
Excuse me?
Relevancy ≠ popularity.
Geno is popular, but he still hasn't appeared in a game in 18 billion years, which is entirely different.
Square sells their music online so it's a question about getting around the distribution rights.Is it the licensing for Final Fantasy music that is expensive, or is that Square music in general is expensive?
Depends whoever has a cactuar up their ass. I hope it's just FF so that we could get a shitload of music from Chrono Trigger.Is it the licensing for Final Fantasy music that is expensive, or is that Square music in general is expensive?
Of course it's a factor, it's just not the only factor.Recent appearances in a game is not a factor in deciding a character, and there's a billion Smash characters to prove that (Ice Climbers, Game & Watch, Duck Hunt, K.Rool, Simon Belmont, Richter Belmont, and many more).
Sakurai never implied even once that recent games was a factor. The two real factors are popularity and feasibility in Smash, both of which Sakurai said that Geno would fit the deal.
Depends on if Disney will let Nintendo play ball with them. Utada Hikaru's tracks absolutely ain't getting in because Nintendo probably ain't about to deal with EMI. But maybe Yoko Shimomura's involvement might make things more charitable.Let's say Sora gets in, is there any chance he gets more than 2 music tracks?
I am willing to give up my beloved Geno's slot if it gets filled with Isaac.Sakurai better watch out, if Dragon Quest doesn't get represented I'm gonna do something irrational like pretend to cancel my preorder on the internet.
Geno is cool and all, but we have enough Mario characters. I wanna see something from a series that isn't in the game yet that should be.
Depends on if Disney will let Nintendo play ball with them. Utada Hikaru's tracks absolutely ain't getting in because Nintendo probably ain't about to deal with EMI. But maybe Yoko Shimomura's involvement might make things more charitable.
I think we could at least expect some of the battle music.
I think what soured me on Geno in spite of actual leaks is the fact that Sakurai would spill the beans about Geno in general. Getting interviewed in 2016 and asked about Geno's Mii Costume and straight up admitting that he wanted to add Geno ever since Brawl - even though this was at a time when it'd already been decided that he was going to develop Ultimate?If leaks didn't exist, I'd still be placing Geno at the top of a list for likely newcomers.
I personally think he's a dumb pick, but he has a huge following and would likely garner a great online reaction. S-E might throw extra stuff in as part of the deal too (smash or non-smash related).
"Mario RPGs" are not a separate series.The Mario RPGs have historically been a gap in representation in Smash. Geno is a way to fix that. Kinda.
There's a Paper Mario stage, Mario & Luigi music and the main protagonist has been in the Smash games since the first entry.The Mario RPGs have historically been a gap in representation in Smash. Geno is a way to fix that. Kinda.
I mean they have separate mechanics, a lot of separate characters, separate narratives, frequently separate worlds. But they're not separate series.
Not from me! I'd take Terra over both of them combinedIf Terra or any other Final Fantasy character gets in as a second Square Enix rep over Geno and Sora, there's going to be a salt explosion in here.
Not for me! I'd take Jeanne over both of them combinedImagine if Jeanne is the next confirmed echo instead of Ken or Shadow.
The waluigi rage might be overshadowed.
Bleh. If we somehow do get Sora, I was hoping for more than two tracks.Square sells their music online so it's a question about getting around the distribution rights.
If Terra or any other Final Fantasy character gets in as a second Square Enix rep over Geno and Sora, there's going to be a salt explosion in here.
How weird to leave a single square blank on the select screen, though.
This isn't true.Recent appearances in a game is not a factor in deciding a character, and there's a billion Smash characters to prove that (Ice Climbers, Game & Watch, Duck Hunt, K.Rool, Simon Belmont, Richter Belmont, and many more).
Sakurai never implied even once that recent games was a factor. The two real factors are popularity and feasibility in Smash, both of which Sakurai said that Geno would fit the deal.
In a Famitsu column on the decision to cut the Ice Climbers, summary provided by NintendoEverything:As for who doesn't make the cut, Sakurai noted, "Characters from a series that has no future are rarely chosen. Also, fighters that switch models are a different matter."
This was also the reasoning provided for deciding against Takamaru (Sourcegaming).First, regarding the roster, Sakurai mentioned that even though many characters are included, there are some who worry about those who didn't make the cut. He specifically addresses the absence of the Ice Climbers as well. It seems they were running in the Wii U version, but due to the required hardware power, the team couldn't make them work in the 3DS game. There wasn't as high a priority given to series that are unlikely to have another installment at this time.
Honestly, I don't think the Ken or even the Shadow fanbases are as rabid as Waluigi's. To put it bluntly I don't think they'll send 9/11 pictures to Sakurai if their faves don't get in.Imagine if Jeanne is the next confirmed echo instead of Ken or Shadow.
The waluigi rage might be overshadowed.
Imagine if Jeanne is the next confirmed echo instead of Ken or Shadow.
The waluigi rage might be overshadowed.
Same here. Terra getting in would be amazing!Not from me! I'd take Terra over both of them combined
Not for me! I'd take Jeanne over both of them combined