Anyway
SweetNicole had a chance to look through the thread yet?
I've read back thru the posts from today (day 9), and I've skimmed over some of yesterday. I am going to be looking more at the vote totals.
==== DAY 8 VOTES ====
Day Start -
Day End
meatwad (4 votes)
giant panda -
#5016
fantomas - #5053 #5123
kopite -
#5208
fantomas -
#5218
extreme tactician -
#5318
fantomas (3 votes)
kawl -
#5290
nin -
#5321
meatwad -
#5326
extreme tactician (1 votes)
meatwad - #5061 #5326
fantomas - #5123 #5124
flatearthpandas -
#5311
include (1 votes)
kopite - #5138 #5208
include -
#5168
kawl (0 votes)
flatearthpandas - #5205 #5311
trigger (0 votes)
flatearthpandas - #5038 #5199
There is a few things I find strange about yesterday.
Like, so far my two most trusted town players, Kopite and Giant Panda, agree that Meatwad is the vote today. He is so scummy.
Vote: Meatwad
I mean, I came into the thread convinced that you and Meatwad were scum, and now you've thoroughly broken me down to where I believe the exact opposite now. I have no reason to be here until others start posting. I should have shut up a long time ago.
Well, with GP and Kopite on the Meatwad vote now, I think I'll go ahead and put mine there too. Unless GP comes back with someone else as a target, I think that's where us three are likely to stay. I'm not going to be moving off unless one of them does.
Vote: Meatwad
Is there a post I am missing that caused Fantomas to reconsider his views on meatwad a second time? If the post that changed his mind is Kopite's post @
#5201 that does not smell good to me at all. I understand having people you trust on their reads at this point in the game, but you also have to be able to justify your own votes at the end of the day, and be a shepherd not a sheep. Skimming back over yesterday, it seems like Fantomas individually caved on Meatwad, but then once a "shepherd" called for Meatwad jumped right back on that train with no justification. It does not stand out to me as an active player who is engaged in scum hunting at this stage in the game, but more like someone going with the flow to try and remain under the radar and win town points by following someone they believe to be town. If you fully believe that Meatwad is so scummy (and you weren't just parroting Kopite), and then you're fully convinced Meatwad isn't scum, it should take more than a post for you by Kopite saying "oh I agree with this" to jump back on the Meatwad lynch.
Fantomas I would like to hear how exactly you were convinced that Meatwad was not scum and then convinced he was scum again so quickly. That is extremely erratic, sheep like behavior which I am throwing some high levels of suspect at right now. Granted, I know you were the other bus for Day 9, but that doesn't clear you as a possible neutral. I will elaborate below why I think you've been scum checked, though.
Next item on the agenda, looking at the vote count from the end of day yesterday, it was, before Meatwad shifted his vote:
Meatwad
-GP
-Kopite
-Fantomas
-ET
Fantomas
-Kewl
-Nin
ET
-FEP
-Meat
Now, looking at this on a deeper level, we know that FEP was town from last night's flip and Meat is scum from yesterday's lynch. This means that ET had 1 town / 1 scum as his vote before Meatwad changed his vote. Thus, ET wasn't a scum bus to cover for Meatwad. What we do not know if whether or not Fantomas was a scum bus to try and push the vote away from Meatwad or not.
What really stands out to me though is the manner and way in which Fantomas was bused yesterday. While I am suspicious of the poor play by Fantomas, I am equally suspicious of the bussing of Fantomas.
While Kewl's original vote was rather strange and out of the blue, I found his reasoning for the vote somewhat agreeable.
Honestly a little bit yea. FEP is annoying but I town read that reaction more than yours.
But mostly it's the we three town schtick and the fact that I don't find your claim alignment indicative at all
I agree that I don't find Fantomas' role to be alignment indicative at all, but I am not sure I totally understand what the power in that role is? Maybe there is something I am missing. I am equally suspicious of the three town stick, and I think there's a real possibility that there is at least a scum or a neutral involved in that circle. That being said, Kewl didn't seem to really press anyone either besides Fantomas.
Nin's vote though, oof. That's a tough pill to swallow. Meatwad immediately jumped his vote to Fantomas, setting things up as 4 / 3. While it might make more sense for Nin to jump on the ET train, the crucial thing missing there is that that would not have had a chance of saving Meat at the last minute. The what seems to be circle of trust of GP/Kopite/Fant was not going to change their votes on a whim last minute to bus someone in that circle. Additionally, ET, who had just voted for Meat, was not going to change his vote his vote to bus himself. So the only real possibility scum had of saving Meatwad was to bus Fantomas.
The ideal end vote for them would have been:
Meatwad
-GP
-Kopite
-Fantomas
Fantomas
-Kewl
-Nin
-Meat
-ET
ET
-FEP
This would have decreased the power of GP/Kopite/Fant collusion and saved meat as well. It also would have setup ET nicely as the fall person for busing/flipping the vote at the last minute depending on Fant's flip. In short, it would have worked perfectly for scum if ET hadn't stuck with his vote and remained on Meat. I do not buy that Meat's lynch was certain to go through yesterday. From how I see it, it came down to a single vote difference, and that vote was all setup by nin's (at the time) out of the blue no-context vote on Fant.
nin can you offer any reasonable defense why the above (that your vote setup a meat save lynch and an ET lynch train tomorrow) is outright false? From my reading of yesterday, your vote was the most pivotal in setting up a lynch train on Fantomas given the votes at the time and the timing of it.
