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Cerium

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-6-this-is-how-world-ends-book-climate-change
Jeff Masters, one of the most respected meteorologists in America, has begun to wonder publicly about the potential for a category 6 hurricane. He launched a lively debate among his colleagues with a provocative post in July of 2016 on the Weather Underground – a thought-provoking piece that prompted the Weather Channel and others to weigh in with their thoughts and theories as well.

"A 'black swan' hurricane – a storm so extreme and wholly unprecedented that no one could have expected it – hit the Lesser Antilles Islands in October 1780," Masters wrote to open the post. "Deservedly called The Great Hurricane of 1780, no Atlantic hurricane in history has matched its death toll of 22,000. So intense were the winds of the Great Hurricane that it peeled the bark off of trees – something only EF5 tornadoes with winds in excess of 200mph have been known to do."

Masters then made the startling claim that such a "black swan" hurricane was not only possible now but almost certain to occur more than once. He said that such storms should more properly be called "grey swan" hurricanes because the emerging science clearly showed that such "bark-stripping" mega-storms are nearly certain to start appearing.
Masters based his bold prediction on research by two of the best hurricane scientists in the world – Kerry Emanuel of MIT and Ning Lin of Princeton – who published the most detailed hurricane model in history in August 2015. Emanuel and Lin's hurricane model was embedded within six different worldwide climate models routinely run by supercomputers.
Lin and Emanuel said their research showed that not only were grey swan hurricanes now likely to occur, one such devastating hurricane would almost certainly hit the Persian Gulf region – a place where tropical cyclones have never even been seen in history. They identified a "potentially large risk in the Persian Gulf, where tropical cyclones have never been recorded, and larger-than-expected threats in Cairns, Australia, and Tampa, Florida".

Emanuel and Lin showed that the risk of such extreme grey swan hurricanes in Tampa, Cairns, and the Persian Gulf increased by up to a factor of 14 over time as Earth's climate changed.

https://weather.com/storms/hurricane/news/category-6-hurricane-saffir-simpson-wind-scale

The results showed that three vulnerable areas of the world are at risk for a "high-end" Category 5 tropical cyclone by the end of the 21st century due to the Earth's changing climate: Tampa, Florida; Cairns, Australia; and the Persian Gulf.

These potential Category 6 hurricanes may be up to 14 times more likely by 2100, according to the study.

The worst-case potential future hurricane put out by the climate models for the Tampa Bay area is unlike anything ever seen – maximum sustained winds of 233 mph with a minimum central pressure of 830 millibars, traveling parallel along Florida's Gulf Coast, producing a devastating 36-foot storm surge.
 
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Temp_User

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From what i remember during my trips in the ME, the houses there - even the crappy apartment i stayed in - are made of bricks with solid roofs. They could probably survive the winds of a Cat 6 storm but the rains, man, . . . . thats going to be a problem.
 

Atolm

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With more energy due to global warming it's only natural climate will become more extreme. In Europe we're already noticing, with much hotter summers, but those countries that suffer from hurricanes, well, it's going to be bad and it's not getting better in our lifetimes, only worse.
 

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Well, this should make the turbines work better....Pity about all the eagles that will fly into them, though.
 

Cookie

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And yet governments still do nothing to combat climate change. This isn't future shit anymore, we're feeling the disastrous effects of global warming right now.
 

Taka

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From what i remember during my trips in the ME, the houses there - even the crappy apartment i stayed in - are made of bricks with solid roofs. They could probably survive the winds of a Cat 6 storm but the rains, man, . . . . thats going to be a problem.
Don't forget the storm surge, on top of expected sea level rise.
 

Xe4

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I've know a decent bit about hurricanes due to osmosis from talking to hurricane scientists, so I'm curious what makes the Persian Gulf so vulnerable. Gonna have to do some looking into that.

Either way, yeah hurricane intensification is definetly a thing that is happening and will continue to happen. Between that and sea level rise, its gonna make life difficult on large swaths of the coast. It's something we'll have to be aware of and active in adapting to.
 

Shoeless

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Is there a time frame for this? I don't doubt the accuracy of these predictions, but for some reason I just assumed this was a generational thing, and it might be our kids as adults, or even our grand kids that would have to worry about this. The current generation of adults can safely do the Boomer thing of "Not my problem, let the future worry about it."
 

Kieli

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Crazy how Jupiter has a storm that's way bigger than Earth.
 

Nathan_Drake

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But the categories now are based off destruction caused by the hurricanes. Yes they are based off mph but that top category is enough to destroy structures. Category 6 makes no sense because a Cat 5 already destroys the highest amount.

Also, Persian Gulf? I mean the Atlantic and Pacific get hurricanes and typhoons but the Persian Gulf?

This doesn't seem to make sense scientifically.
 

Nemesis121

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Global warming is a Chinese hoax, the GOP and it's idiot President will get so many people killed, because they don't want believe the science....
 

SolarPowered

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Called this after Maria hit Puerto Rico and people here told me it's not possible to see anything beyond category 5. We'll see the horror when we get storms passing the 200mph barrier. Fucking heavy duty trucks are gonna start flying.
 
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But the categories now are based off destruction caused by the hurricanes. Yes they are based off mph but that top category is enough to destroy structures. Category 6 makes no sense because a Cat 5 already destroys the highest amount.

Also, Persian Gulf? I mean the Atlantic and Pacific get hurricanes and typhoons but the Persian Gulf?

This doesn't seem to make sense scientifically.
Tell that to the guy who spent his life flying into Hurricanes for a living and has had a meteorology degree for years. He isn't just saying this on some whim and has been studying this stuff for years.

Here's little known background check on the author.
https://www.wunderground.com/about/jmasters.asp
 

bionic77

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Uh what areas of the Earth are going to be safe from nightmare climate change storms?

God fuck all the people in charge over the last 20 years who didn't do enough. This was all preventable.
 

Mivey

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These storms are ultimately fuelled by how warm the oceans are, specially near the surface. Earth heats up -> more frequent and intense storms. So it doesn't sound like a far-fetched claim to me, as a layman.
 

Kay

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Is there a time frame for this? I don't doubt the accuracy of these predictions, but for some reason I just assumed this was a generational thing, and it might be our kids as adults, or even our grand kids that would have to worry about this. The current generation of adults can safely do the Boomer thing of "Not my problem, let the future worry about it."
Most scientists I've seen say it's gonna be a rapid decline from now til 2050. We ran out of road and are now falling off the cliff. There's a reason suicide is a growing problem among environmental scientists
 

Nathan_Drake

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Tell that to the guy who spent his life flying into Hurricanes for a living and has had a meteorology degree for years. He isn't just saying this on some whim and has been studying this stuff for years.

Here's little known background check on the author.
https://www.wunderground.com/about/jmasters.asp

According to Robert Simpson, there are no reasons for a Category 6 on the Saffir–Simpson Scale because it is designed to measure the potential damage of a hurricane to human-made structures. Simpson stated that "... when you get up into winds in excess of 155 mph (249 km/h) you have enough damage if that extreme wind sustains itself for as much as six seconds on a building it's going to cause rupturing damages that are serious no matter how well it's engineered."[3]Nonetheless, the counties of Broward and Miami-Dade in Florida have building codes which require critical infrastructure buildings to be able to withstand Category 5 winds.

I mean he made the scale.
 

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Not to sound like a dick, but move all Republican climate change deniers to these areas so they can get fucked.
 

Nathan_Drake

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He made that scale at a time when nobody imagined hurricanes could go above 200mph. It wasn't something anyone considered. We're talking about an entirely different level of devastation versus what we usually think of as a "Category 5."
Again they topped it there and put all the above because that would destroy anything with 6 seconds of sustained winds. But it sounds cooler sure.
 
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Not at all. A full brick/cement house would likely be fine, mainly have withstood direct hits by tornados. It would be stripped of everything but the brick/cinderblocks/cement, but it would take a hell of a lot stronger wind than 200mph to turn brick to dust.
No brick house is surviving an EF5 tornado, which 200+mph is equivalent to. It would be torn right off the foundation and rolled until it was powder, assuming it wasn't simply destroyed on the spot. We ain't talking about the big bad wolf here.

Edit: here's what's left of a brick house after an EF5

These kinds of winds have done far more impressive things than level well-built brick homes.
 
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Updated OP with more details about timeline, maximum sustained winds (233mph) and storm surge (36 feet).