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Who is the most manly man in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate?

  • Snake

    Votes: 176 20.4%
  • Simon Belmont

    Votes: 176 20.4%
  • Captain Falcon

    Votes: 328 38.0%
  • Ryu

    Votes: 69 8.0%
  • Ike

    Votes: 114 13.2%

  • Total voters
    863
  • Poll closed .
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ShinobiBk

One Winged Slayer
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Dec 28, 2017
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Maybe there's no Ken and the echo on the other side of the box is Zack. Zack wouldn't need a new stage and he is part of the Final Fantasy VII franchise (which is in fact it's own franchise a.k.a. Compilation of Final Fantasy VII)
I know echo fighters haven't got their own stage but Ken would feel weird without the shipyard.
 

ClickyCal'

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Oct 25, 2017
59,687
Maybe there's no Ken and the echo on the other side of the box is Zack. Zack wouldn't need a new stage and he is part of the Final Fantasy VII franchise (which is in fact it's own franchise a.k.a. Compilation of Final Fantasy VII)
I know echo fighters haven't got their own stage but Ken would feel weird without the shipyard.
Then maybe verg is wrong on incineroar too.
 

Deleted member 2793

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Thats a bullshit comparison? Because there are actually guest characters in rosters that do out do eachother now and its fine. Also that roster is mostly made up by characters known for or from playstation... so what are you even saying? I know you don't like guest characters, but like... try to make an actual argument?
"do out do eachother" That's now how it's made and Sakurai never said this. Castlevania isn't a bigger IP than FF and Sakurai isn't baiting reactions, he literally explains his logic about every character and not a single one is about "getting the biggest reaction", but their relevance in japanese gaming or their relation to Nintendo. I'll take characters that make sense over "what's the biggest reaction we can get".

I also don't get why every argument you make you end with this tone. Make an actual argument.
 

Okabe

Is Sometimes A Good Bean
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Aug 24, 2018
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So is everyone cool if this was the final newcomer roster ?


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BGBW

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Oct 25, 2017
15,280
Also, with all the characters and stages being known before release, collectables like trophies are the only potential unknowns left. Wouldn't be surprised if Sakurai is holding them back so players have some surprises to look forward to.
 

Deleted member 2791

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I'm not that excited about the newcomers anyway, all I wanted from this game was bringing back Snake and Wolf and it's done already. Wolf even got a brand new design which is more than what I hoped for.

I still hope Geno is in, but if he's not then it's not a big deal.
 

BassForever

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 25, 2017
29,940
CT
Eh...

It's solid enough, and the top row is great.

But I feel there's something missing. One more "oh shit" pick. Or an Olimar/Shulk. Or a Wonderful person.

How is dante not an "oh shit" pick? Obviously leaks planted the seed in our minds, but I doubt anyone seriously considered him before those.
 

Strittles

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 25, 2017
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Do you guys think the smash community is too obsessed with hype culture? It seems there can't just be regular characters being added to the game nowadays. No, every character has to top the last one, get everyone super pumped and hyped for the reaction videos on youtube. I see a lot of people who just want characters "for the hype".

I don't think this is true at all. People just want characters they like man. It's not complicated.

When I ask for characters like Master Chief, it's not because I want to see ERA go down. I love Halo, I love Smash Bros, and I would love to see him represented alongside all the other big gaming all-stars with his potentially awesome moveset. That's all there is to it.

Sure, seeing people get hype is always a joy but any character can do that. I'm sure they're will be plenty of Incienroar fans getting hyped on Youtube.
 

r_n

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Oct 25, 2017
12,534
You misread that but I might have paraphrased it wrong

I was talking about time slots how they assigned to certain subjects

11:00-20:00 to discuss about Mii Customization and many another features so Mii Customization could be like 2-3 minutes long.
since we're throwing out time estimates, I decided to check my transcript to help give a better idea

The castlevania portion, not counting the trailer, took about ~3 minutes, 40 seconds:
-1 minute, 10 seconds on Simon
-1 minute on Dracula's Castle, its bosses and the 34 songs
-23 seconds on Dracula
-26 seconds on Alucard
-~50 seconds on Richter

The echo section took about 2 minutes:
-44 second Chrom trailer, 41 second Dark samus trailer
-Talking about them, the echo CSS option, and plans to reveal every fighter before release took another 39 seconds

Stage portion was quite meaty and I didn't divide timestamps as thoroughly, but it's about 5 minutes, 10 seconds:
-a 2 minute stage montage
-~1:52 on rebuilding the stages, the number of stages, omega/battlefield, stage hazard toggle
-~38 seconds on stage morph

2:14 on My Music. The change from songs by stage to songs by series, the number of tracks, Sound Test, handheld mode music player, play list curation, adding a song every week to the website

1:42 on assorted Rules (Rules, Stamina, Stage Selection, Sudden Death, Final Smash Meter)
2:02 on Battle Modes (Squad Strike, Smash down,, Tourney, Training, Classic)

54 seconds on Items
1:23 on Pokeballs
2 minutes to Assists, with about 35 seconds of that devoted to Rathalos specifically

52 seconds all about the main menu.
 
Nov 1, 2017
655
Are we gonna see Stage Builder come back in Ultimate? And if so is it going to be not great like Brawl or really not great like Sm4sh?
 
Oct 25, 2017
26,560
Any chance the steelbook preorders will be renewed on Amazon or Best Buy. My best option right now is to pre-order from gamestop online and pay $17 for shipping to get the game day one. Even with a $20 gift card, I'm not about that.
 

Namyu

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Oct 25, 2017
1,562
It would be nice to have Skull Kid just cause Zelda having fewer reps than FE (and 3 of them being Link) is a bit odd but I was satisfied with the roster as soon as "Everyone is Here" popped up lol
 

louisacommie

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Oct 25, 2017
17,571
New Jersey
Dante is from a major franchise but I'd put plenty of other 3rd parties before it
Discounting Sony and Microsoft franchises

Resident evil
Tomb raider
Crash bandicoot
Mortal combat tekken



Devil may cry is about equal to rayman
 

Namyu

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Oct 25, 2017
1,562
Also I am legit in awe of the insane amount of salt in the announcement thread that Isabelle got in
 

Phendrift

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Oct 25, 2017
32,303
When people bring up that Shulk and Olimar were the final reveals of the last game, I think that's not really looking at the entire picture of why people believe ending on "just" Ken and Incineroar would be kind of weird and out of order with the rest of Ultimate's news.

With both Brawl and Smash 4, there was a pretty consistent drip feed of newcomers at a fairly regular pace. Newcomers weren't front loaded, and one a pace was set for info, that pace was kept right up until release. So, while Olimar and Shulk were not massive hype machines, they were released at the same pace that announcements had always been (let's ignore the Sonic delay, because that messed the pace up)

Take Smash 4, for example. Once hype and PR really started to ramp up in 2014, with the release of Rosalina, from there, there was a pretty decent pace of one newcomer every few months. E3 obviously had more, but once E3 ended, we were right back to 1 character every few months right up until Smash 4 Wii U released. So even if it technically ended on Shulk, right before that we had Robin/Lucina, before that Miis/Pac Man/Palutena/Dark Pit, before that Greninja, before that Little Mac, etc, etc. And they were a couple months apart from each other at a pretty consistent pace.

What the "box theory" proposes, though, is that Ultimate's reveal cycle was very heavy in the front. Not counting the March tease, E3 gave us 3 newcomers and all vets returning, which is massive news, but expected for E3. The pace was then set with the next reveal, a few months later, when we got 5 newcomers in one single Direct. And then a month later, we got another newcomer, in a Nintendo general direct. Which makes sense, since it's not a Smash Direct and the reveal tied into Animal Crossing Switch.

But now, if there's only two reveals left, the pace of Smash reveals hits an abrupt halt where the next 3 months give us nothing more than 2 new characters

We already know all the stages. We already know the total number of music. There is barely enough to fill a massive pre-release blowout like Smash 4 had. And that's something they'll obviously want to do because the 50 fact Direct for Smash 4 was amazing. After keeping a fairly nice pace of announcements, they'll just dry up for 3 months for some reason?

So the pace of Ultimate announcements would be backwards to how Smash, and really, video games in general, are announced by going out with a smaller amount of content then had been expected by the pace set by earlier announcements. It feels jarring and not really Sakurai's style, either.

What I believe the situation is: Yes, the box art has room for Incineroar and Ken. Both will be on the box. But the box will start hit warehouses in late October, and if the box had the full roster on it, that'd be a very easy and obvious place to leak it. Rando Best Buy/Amazon/Walmart/Target warehouse employee isn't going to care about leaking the entire roster on 4chan or Reddit or wherever. So my thought is that the roster on the box is the roster, as it will be officially know in late October. This was done so the boxes could be produced without leaking the entire roster, since putting the entire roster on a box with months long lead up with multiple chances to leak seems like a terrible idea.

So Ken/Incineroar will be announced sometime in late September, early October. In a Smash mini-Direct, if I had to guess. Remember, this Direct was delayed a week, so an announcement in late September/Early October isn't as close to Isabelle as it seems. And then in early/mid November, there will be one last massive Smash 45 minute crazy Direct where everything else is revealed, including the final roster that will ship with the game, which is likely 2-3 more characters and 2-3 more echoes.
Not to mention Shulk and Olimar weren't the last reveals. There were unlockable SS. We know every character will be revealed before so there will be a LAST reveal. They'd be smart to make it hype
 

Red Arremer

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Oct 26, 2017
12,259
If count unlockables....then isn't wolf the true final reveal for brawl?

The point being that even after all the reveals were concluded for Brawl and Smash 4, we knew there were still secret characters that we didn't know whom they were or how many of them there was.
The fact there will be no such thing in Ultimate, that we will have an actual last reveal, makes the approach potentially quite different.
 

Christo750

Member
May 10, 2018
4,263
I do find it kind of amusing how the tone has totally shifted since the Box Theory. I haven't read too far back but this is what I gather:

Sakurai: "don't expect too many newcomers"

Smash fans: yeah well Sakurai says a lot of things.

Sakurai: *turns out was right about his own game*

Smash fans: means nothing, Sakurai isn't always right about Sakurai


Yes it could be wrong, but in the likely event it isn't? I'd be very happy with this roster of newcomers. Add in Snake, Ice Climbers, Young Link and Wolf coming back? Heavenly. Hope the last newcomer is cool as hell.

Also how do we know it's Ken? It could technically be Shadow and Rosalina and Inkling get bumped to the other side. Isabelle is missing from the box too, so it could easily not be final.
 

ClickyCal'

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Oct 25, 2017
59,687
The point being that even after all the reveals were concluded for Brawl and Smash 4, we knew there were still secret characters that we didn't know whom they were or how many of them there was.
The fact there will be no such thing in Ultimate, that we will have an actual last reveal, makes the approach potentially quite different.
What if sakurai sees incineroar and ken as hype?
 
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