It wouldn't be a bunch, though. 2, maybe 3, that's counting Isabelle. There's really not a lot of options, most would obviously end up being echoes.
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I already accepted it ages ago but that doesn't mean that I like it.
Isabelle is the last character. Sakurai doesn't want the inevitable 69 memes. He saw what some people did to Isabelle and he's disappointed.
I don't know how this happened, but Incineroar is one of my more hyped likely to happen characters now.
That's too bad. I heard Wonder Red was just about to be revealed too. Darn!
I'm hoping Sakurai throws a funny unexpected choice in the Pokemon department like Jiggs.
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Well, what if you are wrong? Let not being dismissive of characters because we doesn't know who get in or not.
Well, like I said, Daisy is a perfect marketing character to turn into an echo fighter to convince the fans to accept the concept. It works perfectly and see how many people quickly accepted the idea of echo fighters.
What if he realized that we need to counter Isabelle with a feline so he decided to add Incineroar at the end. Also his cat threatened to leave him if he didn't add any cat character this time!
You're so naughty.
Wonder Red is the only potential Smash character of age I have never actually seen rule 34 of on my twitter feed, weirdly.
I mean, if you're talking about importance to their respective series, then sure. But that's not appeal. Appeal (and you even specified "on a broader scale") particularly targets the popularity of a character. And Daisy far and away is one of the most popular characters in Ultimate's newcomers.
Nah. Memoryman was an amplifier for sure, but Daisy's generally not a very popular character among gaming enthusiast circles for some reason.
Consider this, when you consider the appeal of each playable Mario character, Geno doesnt even hope to match up with anyone. The cameos are pretty faithful to how Geno is. Just there.
Sakurai is respected and has quite a pull. To suggest it woulid be easier to get Geno is a sign of lack of faith in his bargaining power.
I mean you basically just said "There's no one to get in Geno's way if Sakurai decides not to pick anyone else".
I mean, K.Rool and Ridley got in for being desired by the Smash community. Meanwhile Inkling and Isabelle are vastly more popular characters from beloved franchises who got in because of the weight their names carry. If Dragon Quest gets in it'd be because it's one of the most iconic franchises in Japanese gaming history.
Anyway it's pretty clear Cloud is the only Final Fantasy character we'll see because all the content come from FF7. Aya, Crono and Fei would have to hitch a ride on what got K.Rool and Ridley into the game, that being an overwhelming amount of support from a passionate fanbase, and I don't think they've received it as much as Geno has for the last decade.
I'm saying the characters I mentioned don't have a chance in hell. Geno's only real competition, if he has a chance at all, is Dragon Quest.
Pretty sure that's partially because Memoryman wasn't the first Daisy fan to poison the well, just that everyone forgot about the previous ones after he stepped up to the plate.
But the Smash fandom does have a lot of people with priorities doubled over backwards so people just plain being edgelords probably factors massively too. Like you have one or two exceptionally badly behaved supporters and Daisy is the devil, but half the freaking K. Rool fandom functions out of pure hatred and it's boys will be boys? LOL OK sure Smash fandom, suuuure.
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About as much that are able to accept Dante
Which is increasing day by day! so eventually yes !
Put yourself out there and call him a hard lock
I certainly won't but I've always said he was likely even back when everyone was fixated on Decidueye
The only reason Geno feels "likely" is because most of us here have no compunction of thinking conservatively.
Also I think it's time we cleared up some misconceptions about Imran since we love bringing him up when talking leaks. The big thing we always point back to is his tweet that implies Square and Bamco are getting reps, but none of us ever talk about some of the additional context such as his Era posts.
In the topic "Square dropped the ball on Smash characters"
https://www.resetera.com/threads/square-enix-dropped-the-ball-on-smash-bros-characters.60782/
Imran said:
In the topic "The strange case of Monster Hunter in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate", in response to a post that there are more characters left to reveal
https://www.resetera.com/threads/th...r-content-in-super-smash-bros-ultimate.60845/
Imran said:
The implication here is that whatever's in store in terms of rep has to be the motherload for him to be so tauntingly coy.
(As an aside it's worth pointing out that he did make that tweet the other day about Tom Nook and making a random Devil May Cry reference, and the above post was made in a Capcom-related thread. Seeing how much of a non-sequitur that tweet is, who knows, it might even be a hint at Dante.)
Now a lot of people might be thinking "hey, this must mean Geno's finally happening". Having said that, this post from all the way back in March after Smash's announcement, when it was clear that he and a few others had already known of Ridley, is the only time Imran has ever commented on these forums on Geno.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/su...confirmed-link-has-botw-design.28244/page-287
Imran said:
This doesn't necessarily have to be a hint at anything, it was early after Smash's announcement and it's unlikely that every leaker in the know would've been privy to the roster at this point. Plus this was a comment done years after most of us have already read an interview saying that Sakurai wanted Geno back in Brawl. That said it's pretty clear that the way Imran commented about the character, he actually doesn't have that much of a high opinion on the character himself.
Which leads me to believe that it's very doubtful that Imran would be so teasing about a character he seemingly doesn't care about. If there's a Square Enix rep in play, I don't think Geno is it.
Ehhh it's not hard to see why a source could think she's an echo
These are good points (including the room Sakurai was sitting in), and I'm still convinced Skull Kid will be a character because of them, but is the Mushroom enemy really a point in Skull Kid's favor? Shadow and the Timer item debuted in the same game, and they both have the same function.
Well, this is the most I can see the roster being, but this is very unlikely:
- Skull Kid
- Geno
- Isaac
- Incineroar
- Dixie Kong
- Elma
- Chorus Kids
- Style Savvyist
- KOS-MOS
- Shadow
- Ken
I'm there. Took me a sec but I'm there. I think it will be cool to see a character type that is very much a "fighter" combined with the elemental and special abilities that being a Pokémon comes along with. I guess Greninja is kind of like that, being a Ninja and all.
I mean, there's still recent Nintendo games to add (ARMS, Xenoblade Chronicles 2, Fire Emblem: Three Houses, Pokémon Gen 8, etc.).
Here is my remaining list:
Captain Toad
Skull Kid
Waluigi
ARMS rep
Paper Mario
And the only acceptable third party characters:
Professor Layton
Rayman
Captain Toad
Skull Kid
Waluigi
ARMS rep
Paper Mario
And the only acceptable third party characters:
Professor Layton
Rayman
At the very least half the DLC won't be veterans again, since all the characters are returning, I do think Rex and Spring Man would be DLC, but I can't help but think some characters like Bandana Dee or Chibi Robo, their best chance is the base roster. But I'll admit that might be because half of Smash 4 character DLC was third party and the expectation that DLC characters need to be hype.
Looking through the posts I continue to miss and I just realized something: We got like... So much Final Fantasy Related Content coming soon don't we? Hell, I think this was probably the first time that we got a character from a series that was never on a Nintendo console that somehow found their way onto a Nintendo Console with Cloud and FF7.
This actually does make me wonder that with all this good fortune if we could very well see a second Final Fantasy Character? Or if that second Square slot is being reserved for Geno?
Either way though, I have to say that with Isabelle's reveal being as chill as it was, it feel like it is business as usual around here.
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As for who's left, I really don't know at this point. I'll need to review a few things, but I'd like to guess we have at least four more newcomers left (although I can't say for sure for the number of Echo fighters).
This actually does make me wonder that with all this good fortune if we could very well see a second Final Fantasy Character? Or if that second Square slot is being reserved for Geno?
Either way though, I have to say that with Isabelle's reveal being as chill as it was, it feel like it is business as usual around here.
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As for who's left, I really don't know at this point. I'll need to review a few things, but I'd like to guess we have at least four more newcomers left (although I can't say for sure for the number of Echo fighters).
Oh I'm well aware. I was just saying that Daisy is just as deserved on the roster as any of the other characters so far especially considering she's in as a clone, rather than a fully realized character.
It's kind of funny how Daisy and Geno are such an excellent depiction of disparity.
Daisy is a prolific character who regularly appears and has insanely wide appeal to the masses, but gaming enthusiasts loathe her.
Meanwhile Geno is a minor character from a 20 year old one-off game that is considered a cult classic to gaming enthusiasts, and the masses don't even know who the fuck he is.
I mean, it is pretty much confirmed it's easier to get Geno (given the Mii costume), and we also know it's something he'd wanted at some point at least. But I have absolutely no horse in this race, because I don't give an airborne intercourse about Geno. I think he's a bad character in a mediocre game. I'd rather have Mallow if it had to be SMRPG.
So people say Bandanna Waddle Dee is doubtful for Smash because he's post-Sakurai Kirby-game-wise, and then hand-wave the Masked Dedede Final Smash since he was conceived from Super Star Ultra, the game that built off Sakurai's last Kirby title, Super Star. But... Bandanna Waddle Dee was literally conceived BY SAKURAI in the original Kirby Super Star as the first opponent in the sub-game Megaton Punch, given even more prominence in Super Star Ultra as Dedede's advisor in Revenge of the King...
I don't really have a horse in this race since I'm fine with whoever gets added to Smash (I don't have much personal attachment to the majority of Nintendo IPs), but I dislike the notion that Bandanna Waddle Dee was wholly conceived in post-Sakurai Kirby, despite having more relevance to Sakurai than Masked Dedede.
I don't really have a horse in this race since I'm fine with whoever gets added to Smash (I don't have much personal attachment to the majority of Nintendo IPs), but I dislike the notion that Bandanna Waddle Dee was wholly conceived in post-Sakurai Kirby, despite having more relevance to Sakurai than Masked Dedede.
I reallllly hope we still get a super "WTF" character like Mary O...
Also, I know I'm only a semi-regular poster but I hope that when she is revealed y'all are like "oh yeah, there is that guy on Era who always talked her up! I think his pic was an adorable puppy or something."
Also, I know I'm only a semi-regular poster but I hope that when she is revealed y'all are like "oh yeah, there is that guy on Era who always talked her up! I think his pic was an adorable puppy or something."
More likely is it's gonna be a 12 by 6 roster (71 chars), with (acc to Vergeben) Incineroar, Ken and a S-E char.
This is my final prediction until the next reveal. I have abandoned all hopes and dreams. This is serious business now.
New Fighters:
Inkling
Ridley
Simon Belmont
King K. Rool
Isabelle
Incineroar - Unconfirmed
Skull Kid - Unconfirmed
Geno - Unconfirmed
New Echo Fighters:
Dark Samus (Samus)
Daisy (Peach)
Chrom (Roy)
Shadow (Sonic) - Unconfirmed
Ken (Ryu) - Unconfirmed
Richter Belmont
That totals to 8 new fighters and 6 new echo fighters for a grand total of 14 new fighters.
How does this make you feel?
(I didn't forget about Mii Fighters. They would just clog up the roster. They only appear when you create a Mii anyway.)
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Naw, I dislike hard Locke meme so I wouldn't say it.
However, I'm opening my avatar bets to anyone who doesn't think Incineroar would make in Smash Bros.
I think base roster is the easiest way for some smaller characters to get in, but I feel like Nintendo's Switch characters will take preference to further promote them and their games. Also some fan favs that don't need licenses to add, like Dixie or Bandana. Maybe they can even tie in characters to a few future releases like they did with Corrin. People underestimate how many popular characters Nintendo has and how much they can sell.
The weird part is that Geno feels more suited to echo role due to... his low appearances, but he doesnt have a base to use
I could see Nintendo try a curveball and toss out a more obscure character as DLC, just to see how it does.
I don't think it's safe for me to make an avatar bet again after this.
Provided theyre willing to break the same franchise echo lock yes, but then you coulid still just use the costume anyway
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