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Nintendo NA: We are unable to guarantee cloud saves will be retained after canceling
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Buying a subscription, because I prefer convenience.
It seems you can buy it from the web eShop (after it launches of course)
https://www.nintendo.co.uk/Nintendo-Switch/Nintendo-Switch-Online/Pricing-1374627.html
Because it's very primitive. You still have the option to ignore it, or use it.
The entitlement in this thread is absolutely insane. Like..if you want them to maintain your cloud saves, you stay subscribed. It's not that complicated. Sure, it would be "nice" if they kept them after you cancel, but they have zero obligation or requirement to do so. Not like your local saves are going to disappear when you cancel. This is part of the online service, so this seems completely logical.
I believe legally, all Nintendo needs to identify are categories of data based on how they received it (like saying, "data from registering to our service"), give some examples (age, location, gender, game history, etc) but it doesn't need to be an exhaustive list, and a general statement saying things like "We share this data with third parties".
All of that I believe is in their terms and conditions.
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At least give people regular backup. Even if it's encrypted and can only be decrypted when transferred back to a Switch, I'd be fine. I want something.
Hell, I want to be able to transfer screenshots and video captures to a computer.
Hell, I want to be able to transfer screenshots and video captures to a computer.
Honestly, I don't see anyone acting "entitled" at this point. The discussion seems to be primarily based on wanting to know how long Nintendo will hold your save backups after your subscription lapses.
It's definitely a granular detail, but it's just peace of mind on top of a service that's supposed to give you just that.
The very concept of cloud saves is to protect you against realistic worst case scenarios. So when Nintendo's may not protect you in a realistic worst case scenario (barring further Nintendo clarification) that undermines the point of the service in the first place.
Exactly
Nintendo didn't offer an alternative to backup saves while the others does?
Manda, that New wording sounds like a gangster talking about no longer being able to "protect you", lol. I bet this will be just like Mario maker levels. Some saves will remain forever, other will be deleted in less than a day.
Oh well if this is the case then I will be passing on the sub as that was my only reason for even getting it.
So a subscription service that supposed to give you peace of mind, should do so even when you're not subscribed? How does that work?
Also, everyone here seems to be concerned about their subscription lapsing. Again, why would that happen unless you purposely let it lapse, at which point you're explicitly deciding that you don't want the features of the service? I've been subscribed to maybe a couple dozen online services for years, and I've never had a SINGLE one lapse accidentally. Like, they all give you a million reminders before that happens, if for some reason they can't automatically charge your card.
Why is everyone pretending that the online service can suddenly randomly lapse? Oh right, extreme sensationalism, as always.
I had no idea that it wasn't possible to copy save files to a USB drive on switch.
And now they fuck up with the cloud service.
It's always baffling to see people defend corporate decisions that go against their interests, really makes me question their sanity.
And now they fuck up with the cloud service.
It's always baffling to see people defend corporate decisions that go against their interests, really makes me question their sanity.
This doesn't fit at all with the matter at hand.
Maybe you have a car analogy that might work better?
Well, this has made it to Ars Technica where they state this sets Nintendo apart from Microsoft and Sony when it comes to their cloud save retention policy: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018...e-data-disappears-if-you-cancel-subscription/
I'm unaware of insurance that covers you after you've stopped paying for it.
I don't get the drama.
The service is tied to the subscription, you need to pay and it's not even that absurd paying for essentially a cloud storage.
The shitty part is that they can't let me save files into an external drive so forcing consumers to pay, on the other hand the service costs slightly more than 1 dollar per month, all these kinds of services are way more expensive nowadays, it's basically nothing.
The actually good part is that it doesn't seem to be a limit to how many games you can save.
The service is tied to the subscription, you need to pay and it's not even that absurd paying for essentially a cloud storage.
The shitty part is that they can't let me save files into an external drive so forcing consumers to pay, on the other hand the service costs slightly more than 1 dollar per month, all these kinds of services are way more expensive nowadays, it's basically nothing.
The actually good part is that it doesn't seem to be a limit to how many games you can save.
I wasn't aware you had to pay Sony to back up saves to a USB drive.
As much as I want them to define the grace period, Nintendo (as part of pokemon co.) never clarified it in Pokemon Bank so it's possible they never do it. Plus it might incite people to register for auto-renewal so they don't lose their cloud saves.
All three companies have their WTF thing
Microsoft forces you to get Xbox Live to play F2P games
Sony doesn't allow crossplay and it automatically locks your account to PS so you can't even use it on a different platform.
Nintendo has that horrible voice chat as their only chat solution. (honestly i don't even think this policy about cloud is that bad, just we haven't seen it before in this industry, but it's wide common elsewhere)
Yeah, people are overreacting. I understand that Nintendo should announce the time they give you if you forget to change your credit card when it expires, and probably they'll say it soon enough. But some users are acting like it's normal business if you stop paying for months (you'll get annoying reminders that the payment is declined and you should revise it as companies love money) and they still must give you the service as usual.
I don't like the fact that they don't let me do local backup on my SD card, but that's another different subject.
Yup, but not just MS and Sony, it separates themselves from practically every other backup service in existence. Both inside and outside of gaming.
It almost reminds me of when that contracted network infrastructure dev was in a meeting with Nintendo, and he used Xbox Live and PSN as a reference. He was asked to stop because the Nintendo reps had never used Xbox Live or PSN and had no idea what he was talking about.
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Yeeeaaah....that's not good. All this has to do with Nintendo not having local save options in the first place, so people have to rely on their shitty subscription service to even keep their save data. And people really defend this nonsense? The apologizing is too pathetic, and it happens every time regarding Nintendo. I am just tired of it
Weird, I've owned multiple credit cards for 20 years and that has never happened to me a single time. Like..never.
You're given a crapload of notice and time to update any card up for renewal.
But hey, why not? Anything goes when we're trying to think up imaginary scenarios in order to get outraged.
It sucks not having a local alternative, but a cloud storage for 20 dollars / year is one of the cheapest i've ever seen. (let alone 20 dollars are also for the Retroflix collection and that stupid app)
Google Drive entry level subscription is $1.99 or $2.99 / month
One Drive $1.99/month
Dropbox $8.25/month
I believe only iCloud does better with $0.99/month
Though all these services do have a free limited option which is absent here.
I dont care about how cheap it is. When there are free options elsewhere that are actually better and more foolproof.
The defense against every backwards thing is not that its cheap
And all of those premium services keep your data if you let your subscription end. Dropbox for example will keep your data, but it won't sync with new files until you are under the free limit or you resub.
Also, it's a bit of a strange comparison, considering saves take up such a small amount of space that most Switch users will only need a few MB of storage space for their cloud saves, well in the range of most free backup services.
There are exceptions, like the NBA game posted earlier, but you can bet those games will be excluded from the service.
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Nintendo and Sony did the impossible. I'm going to get myself a One X for Online play soon.
I don't think I will subscribe to this. My PS+ lapsed months ago after the Fortnite fiasco.
How they worded the cloud safe feature in the direct was basically disgunsting. This should be free as long as there is no maual solution to backup your saves.
I don't think I will subscribe to this. My PS+ lapsed months ago after the Fortnite fiasco.
How they worded the cloud safe feature in the direct was basically disgunsting. This should be free as long as there is no maual solution to backup your saves.
This would not be a big deal if it wasn't the only way to backup saves. As it stands it's ridiculous. The lack of local backup is still worse though.
The thing is when it comes to consoles they are separate ecosystems, it's like Apple in the sense that they can make their own rules (even better in this case): there are not really alternatives unless you sell the hardware and buy the other one just because it has a free save solution (no one is going to do that, since the service is cheap)
Sure you could forget about playing multiplayer games on the system, and not paying the online service, but that also means no Smash, no Animal Crossing, no Mario Kart 9,... you start to miss the biggest releases that make these consoles so important.
Or you could pay only for those 3-6 months you will play these games, that's also a possibility.
I still got access to Amazon Drive, and I haven't been a prime members in years.
I can't upload, but I can still access the files. Might can still download them. Mp3s.
The defense of this is amazing, lol.
Can anyone explain why Nintendo is continuing their policy to not allow save backups to external storage???
From the Ars Technica article: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018...e-data-disappears-if-you-cancel-subscription/
From the Ars Technica article: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018...e-data-disappears-if-you-cancel-subscription/
Because then people will have less need to rely on their garbage cloud save service.
It is cynical and anticonsumer.
I get them from a business standpoint of not letting you back up locally what with all the different save file hacks going back to dsi and Wii.
Note i say from a business standpoint. From a consumer standpoint it fucking blows and is in no way something i stand behind.
Note i say from a business standpoint. From a consumer standpoint it fucking blows and is in no way something i stand behind.
Can you explain how Sony and Microsoft prevents save file hacks on PS4 and XBox One? Because both the PS4 and XBox One allows you to backup local save files to external storage.
I have no excuse, I responded only to the first paragraph. Apologies. I do hope for some manual save backups or remote backups ala 3DS. I'd seen multiple posters use the insurance argument but not talk about Sony's option for a physical backup.
The Ars Technica article did make me realize there is an incredibly silly way to make backups. Buy the service, then log onto as many Switches as you can and put your saves on all of them. Still not free though.
If only their solution was doing something about their obscenely insecure software. :\
I have no idea, I'm tech dumb. They probably have better security technicians.
