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Nintendo NA: We are unable to guarantee cloud saves will be retained after canceling
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Earlier I asked:
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I really think this is just botched communication and there's some sort of grace period before a lapsed account's saves are deleted.
People didn't expect them to stay in the cloud indefinitely if their account lapsed, did they?
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I really think this is just botched communication and there's some sort of grace period before a lapsed account's saves are deleted.
People didn't expect them to stay in the cloud indefinitely if their account lapsed, did they?
Can you point out we're it says zero months?It says "not an extended amount of time" which implies it's anything but zero.
Go to the bank, withdraw a $10 bill, and pop over to Gamestop to buy a 3-month membership card. Hell take out a $20 and get a full year to cover yourself.
If you're foreseeably getting yourself into a situation where you can't afford to do that, and your Switch savegames are still a high priority in your life, then you need to get some perspective.
Nintendo UK's statement leaves much less room for interpretation, and seemingly a straight "no".
But if we are going from Nintendo NA and Sony - Sony's 6 months is a minimum guarantee, they still keep save games for much longer most of the time. As of yet Nintendo haven't given any guarantee whatsoever, so the 0 vs 6 is still correct. That doesn't necessarily mean your save games will be deleted on day 0, but without any guarantee it's not something I would ever rely on.
Yes, because I'm sure everything will think to renew their Switch Online subscription as one of their top priorities in the given scenario. Especially when there's a good chance that they won't even be aware that any of this could happen, on top of the fact that not having a working Switch might complicate the renewal process (can you even renew without a Switch?)
The entire point of Cloud Saving is that you shouldn't have to worry about it.
Ya you should not have to worry about the service, as long as you pay for it.
Wonder how long an "extended period of time" will be. I feel like that's something they would have figured out and made public when the online service starts in a few days. Also, they shouldn't be charging for the cloud saves at all considering their local save backup situation.
This is kind of a junction for any Switch owner. Depending on how much they still play Splatoon 2 and want Smash I guess.
Pay $20 to continue.
Literally the only announced first party title I'm mildly interested in is Luigi's Mansion, and possibly Prime 4.
As mentioned in another thread, now is the time to bail if you need the cash.
Pay $20 to continue.
Literally the only announced first party title I'm mildly interested in is Luigi's Mansion, and possibly Prime 4.
As mentioned in another thread, now is the time to bail if you need the cash.
Lots of reasons to not keep buying subscriptions. I lapsed PSN just because I got bored and didn't really need it.
My question is whether Splatoon will require paid online to work. THAT would be bullshit.
My question is whether Splatoon will require paid online to work. THAT would be bullshit.
The answer is yes, and they expect that it will make it a no-brainer for Splat owners. On the contrary, after 15 months, it makes me think.... shall I just skip the remaining updates at this point it's life cycle and not bother?
You shouldn't have any need to worry about the service even if you can't or haven't paid for it in a while, because that's one of the main benefits to cloud saves and literally what everyone else offers. To be there as an insurance if other shit goes wrong. Nintendo themselves even featured this very clearly in their own announcement trailer. Sometimes that other shit means paying for a sub isn't a high priority, or it makes no sense because you don't have access to your console.
If it helps, you can think of the grace period as an extra perk of your subscription cost.
Look, the whole point of backing up saves is insurance against some kind of disaster. If you're going to hand wave those disasters as things that will never happen, what is the point of having a backup?
Sony and MS have methods to allow this insurance, free of charge. Nintendo does not offer its users anything other than a cloud save backup that requires an active subscription at all times to make use of, and with no assurance that the save will persist if your subscription lapses even for so much as a microsecond.
All the games going forward require the subscription to play them online.
So if my kids want to play online on their profile online I need to pay $10 more a year even though it's all on the same console?
yes, the online is bound to accounts not to hardware. but a familly plan let you use 8 accounts
I am not hand waving anything
You want insurance? Pay for it
They have implied a grace period. Why are you hand waving that?
Fuuuuck!
I regret getting it digital, I would have traded it in. I like it but I dont love it enough.
If you're allowed to reach for extreme situations where it could be a problem, I'm allowed to reach for solutions.
What if I get lost at sea for 7 months right when my PS+ membership expires? Get your act together Sony!
The point is that until we get confirmation on the grace period (and they really should give a specific number -- leaving people in suspense is the worst possible solution), it's too early to be getting on Nintendo's case.
But I know the internet loves to get angry about hypotheticals, so maybe I'm asking too much.
With how little I play online, how little I care about mostly mediocre NES games (the good ones I already own on 3DS), how certain games don't even support cloud saves (ones I would definitely want like Dead Cells and Pokemon), and now this...
I'm not even sure I want to try this out in the first place. Maybe for a month when Smash Bros comes out, but even Smash Bros I mostly just play single player.
Including SNES and N64 games is about the only thing I can think of that would get me interested in subscribing to this outside of the occasional online game I play.
I'm not even sure I want to try this out in the first place. Maybe for a month when Smash Bros comes out, but even Smash Bros I mostly just play single player.
Including SNES and N64 games is about the only thing I can think of that would get me interested in subscribing to this outside of the occasional online game I play.
You really think that's a similarly realistic scenario? Ooookay
At least I agree with this part.
Since they were talking to me, no I don't think always online systems are a good thing, and I'm glad that part of our hype cycle is over, even though we're going right back there again with the probable emphasis on streaming for the next generation, which I also dread.
I just think we're making a tremendous deal out of nothing.
If you think your hypothetical scenario is even close to any of the scenario's we have posted then you are out of your mind. This is straight up "yeah if I lived on a mountain maybe" level BS that used to be posted about always online DRM.
But yes, I agree with you on the need for a guaranteed grace period number.
They do? Didn't know this. Well, I still have like 9 months left and will most likely keep subbing, but this is good to know.
This is why there is a family subscription. So even if your kids account would be on different Switches they would have the online service.
I was going to say, if I let my ps plus lapse for over a year, and still got access tooto the IGC games once I resub, I don't see why cloud saves would be treated differently.
Hell, MS used to do this with Hotmail. Don't use it for a month or a year and it's deleted. Can't remember which. They been stopped that tho.
Valve, GOG, Uplay, Origin, Microsoft - Free cloud saves, free local storage backups
Sony - Paid cloud saves, with a 6 month grace period where your games will be stored without you paying. Local save backups via USB
Nintendo - Paid cloud saves, ????? grace period which could be nothing, no local backup
Again. It makes no sense to compare against other services when there's already competition for this service. It's a complete false equivalence.
And you know, given one of the main points of cloud saves is to be there as an insurance, a grace period should be the absolute minimum you should expect as part of the service.
They come to your house and extract all the water you drank?
A much better example would be Google Drive:
"But that's different! This is NINTENDO! Won't someone think of the children lost at sea for seven months?!"
No, because with Google, YOU are the product. They're not giving you anything free out of the goodness of their hearts.
At least Nintendo isn't selling my stuff to advertisers.
i don't think you personally said that bro lol. i was speaking in general. and you really dont have to worry about streaming, simply for the fact that internet speeds and latency arent that great & arent really getting better in the immediate future.
I guess I Poe'd myself there. I was making a joke, but no, I don't think that the odds of someone losing both their Switch and all possible methods of paying for an account renewal at the exact same time that their account lapses, and that situation persisting past the duration of the grace period (even assuming a minimal grace) is likely to affect more than a double digit number of users per year. If you're the sort of person who worries about this kind of thing, you can probably spare a little mental bandwidth to have a contingency plan ready.
But all that is beside the point. If Nintendo refuses to give a number, or if they do and it's unreasonably short, people should feel free to break out the pitchforks. But we are still a month away from any possible extreme circumstance that could lock someone out of their cloud saves. They have time to respond.
Any number of companies have better policies, including those that don't sell your data.
"You can access photos, videos, and documents for 30 days after you delete or disable iCloud Photo Library and iCloud Drive."
You misunderstood my point. It was never about losing the ability to pay for the service in any form. It was that reporting your card as lost or stolen would automatically prevent it from being renewed the following month thus cancelling the service (which they might not even realize), putting their save files in serious jeopardy if their Switch were lost, stolen, or broken.
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1, Many companies who don't sell your data still provide better services. Some are listed in this thread.
2, The Switch runs telemetry software in the background. You have no idea what they are using it for or who they are sharing it with.
I'm pretty sure that stuff has to be identified in the Terms of Service, if nothing else. Not even Howard Lincoln could get around that.
Yeah, I'm just not buying it. I love my Switch and Nintendo in general but this is fucked up anti consumer bullshit.
