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Aurongel

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Nintendo Nintendo'd their new Nintendo in as Nintendo a way as Nintendo possibly could have.

The strangest thing to me is that things like the smartphone app and Miiverse shows that there are clearly people in that company in decision making positions who want to progress their network forward in a meaningful way. So there's like this flicker of hope that they'll turn it around eventually that gets dashed away every chance they get.
 

Skittzo

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Even with the online service, though. i love a game like Smash. I want to play it to its fullest extent. Ditto Splatoon and Mario Kart. So I have to buy that service. My purchase isn't an endorsement of the service, but of their games- but that message doesn't go through.

Yeah I'm betting that's strategic too. They don't want to have to provide these features.

Another thing is that apparently the smartphone app has been really well received in Japan. So I bet a lot of their execs are a bit more insulated from how much the rest of the world hates it.

They also regressed from the fucking Wii too.

Why did they get rid of gifting games? Yes, great job giving us less options to give YOU money Nintendo.

Virtual Console was pretty much the best on Wii.

Why no themes that they have on 3DS either?


Ugh. Nintendo is so frustrating when it comes to online.

Regarding the VC I thought we had inside people saying VC games actually did not sell all that well at all. Especially on the Wii U and 3DS.

So Nintendo likely wanted to find a way to monetize their back catalog in a more profitable way, i.e. classic consoles and their new NESflix.
 
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Yeah I'm betting that's strategic too. They don't want to have to provide these features.

Another thing is that apparently the smartphone app has been really well received in Japan. So I bet a lot of their execs are a bit more insulated from how much the rest of the world hates it.
Oh god, people in Japan like it? We're doomed.

Does Xbox have stuff like Share Play and Remote Play?
Yes.

I will say again. Your opinion. It is not. Try again.
It is.
 

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I cannot fathom why they brought back friend codes. Why?

It's one of the options along facebook, twitter, NNID and others. And unlike in 3DS, you only need to add other people instead of the other needing your id as well to add.

As for why, probably because with that you're able to change your nickname at any time and the console will only read your friendcode.
 

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But the Switch OS can fit on a floppy drive, how cool is that?
 
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It's one of the options along facebook, twitter, NNID and others. And unlike in 3DS, you only need to add other people instead of the other needing your id as well to add.

As for why, probably because with that you're able to change your nickname at any time and the console will only read your friendcode.
The Wii U and Steam managed this without Friend Codes.
 
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It is almost offensively bad lol

you can use voice chat on your phone, acting bewildered when saying the saves can remain even if the console breaks, not even elaborating on the 5th point until immediately after the direct because it would've been bad PR (you need online sub to buy the NES joycons) where some of my favorite moments. Really really bad, I mean people thought this was some sort of beta and they didn't change a thing, who really expected them to I guess Nintendo is gonna Nintendo
 

carlosrox

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Gifting is a store option.

Virtual Console essentially a sub-section of the store. Or you could call it its own service I suppose.

Themes are more a UI/OS thing.

But they were all acquired through their online store. So how doesn't that involve their online like you said?

Semantics? Their store options were better before, whatever. Part of their online.

And no browser/Netflix is also a part of this. And Miiverse. Why are they regressing features and options? It's really annoying and inconsistent.
 

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The Wii U and Steam managed this without Friend Codes.

Sure, but friendcode is fine now unlike with 3DS. It's just a number and one of different options. I agree with the others but FC I think it's overblown.

Yeah I'm betting that's strategic too. They don't want to have to provide these features.

Another thing is that apparently the smartphone app has been really well received in Japan. So I bet a lot of their execs are a bit more insulated from how much the rest of the world hates it.



Regarding the VC I thought we had inside people saying VC games actually did not sell all that well at all. Especially on the Wii U and 3DS.

So Nintendo likely wanted to find a way to monetize their back catalog in a more profitable way, i.e. classic consoles and their new NESflix.

Yeah, the app was really well received by the majority of users from what I saw. From more casual to more hardcore.
 

daase ko

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Given there wasn't so much criticism against the two other services, I wonder if it will translate to disappointing results for nintendo.
 

Jaded Alyx

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But they were all acquired through their online store. So how doesn't that involve their online like you said?

Semantics? Their store options were better before, whatever. Part of their online.

And no browser/Netflix is also a part of this. And Miiverse. Why are they regressing features and options? It's really annoying and inconsistent.
I guess I don't see the online store as part of the Online Service. My interpretation of online service is everything to do with playing online. Connections, matchmaking, voice chat, parties, invites. That sort of thing.

But yes, I will agree it's annoying how good things are just abandoned without any apparent good reason. I really did like Miiverse.
 

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Mt. Whatever

Hieroph

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Most of us spend more then that in two days on junk food, maybe three days. Are things perfect? No. Could they be better? Everything could be better but I also don't expect this service to be static no should anyone else. At this point I think people are forcing themselves to outraged, upset, etc. No way is this something people should still be this upset about.

Speak for yourself. Nobody in their right mind buys that much junk food.

Also it's not the money, it's what you get with it, as in what you don't get with it.
 

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Clubs, tournaments, events, refunds, gifting, intelligent downloads, unlimited cloud saving, mods...

What's the difference between Xbox's Clubs and PSN's Communities? And PSN's cloud saving is 1000 saves/10GB, it's pretty substantial. PSN also has live events and (limited) mods.

Refunds is a major thing. Thanks, I forgot about that.

Tournaments/gifting are both really nice. There's workarounds for gifting but it's clumsy and silly not to be part of the service itself.
 

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Clubs, tournaments, events, refunds, gifting, intelligent downloads, unlimited cloud saving, mods...
What's the difference between Xbox's Clubs and PSN's Communities? And PSN's cloud saving is 1000 saves/10GB, it's pretty substantial. PSN also has live events and (limited) mods.

Refunds is a major thing. Thanks, I forgot about that.

Tournaments/gifting are both really nice. There's workarounds for gifting but it's clumsy and silly not to be part of the service itself.
MS is also letting you carry your entire library from Xbox to Xbox one. I can't play PlayStation classic Spyro 1-3 on my Vita or PS4 legally.
 
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What's the difference between Xbox's Clubs and PSN's Communities? And PSN's cloud saving is 1000 saves/10GB, it's pretty substantial. PSN also has live events and (limited) mods.

Refunds is a major thing. Thanks, I forgot about that.

Tournaments/gifting are both really nice. There's workarounds for gifting but it's clumsy and silly not to be part of the service itself.
Oh you're right, I forgot about Communities on PSN (which is funny, because I am a part of so many lol). Mods and cloud saving, yes, PSN does them, but XBL does them better was what I was driving at with those two.
 
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To me, the shocking thing about the Switch Online service isn't just how bad it is (it's very bad)- it's how much of a regression it is from the Wii U's Nintendo Network.

Nintendo Network on the Wii U was not the best. It was behind in a lot of ways. But in spite of this, the online offering on Wii U was miles ahead of where we are at now with the Switch in every way but one:
  • It had native voice chat on the system
  • It had video chat support
  • It had integrated communities (such as Miiverse)
  • It had messaging for friends on the system
  • It used usernames, and not Friend Codes
This actually was a service they could have gotten away with charging $20 a year for- not more than that, because, as noted, it was still lagging behind the competition in substantial ways, but $20 a year for this would have been fine (especially once the "perks" like cloud saves and "free" VC games were thrown in). Right now, we have an online system with no messaging, no native voice chat, no integrated communities, and a regression to Friend Codes.

How did Nintendo regress?
Nintendo is the answer.
 

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I take umbrage with this statement.

It wasn't shocking at all to me. It's always one step forward, two steps back with this fucking company when it comes to anything online. It's like they're trying to fuck things up for themselves.
 

Mastermind85

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You're not wrong. I particularly miss Miiverse and Wara Wara Plaza, they gave the Wii U OS a ton of personality. I can only hope that some of the stuff like friend messaging, lobbies, and community boards are planned to be integrated into the mobile app. Why this isn't ready for launch with the paid service I have no idea, but it stings.
 

feroca

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I really liked Miiverse, so no alternative to that sucks.

But everything else, is no biggie.

Though the outrage of some around the voice app is weird. I mean, it sucks that is THE option instead of AN option, but considering even in here the constant talk about how people don't talk online, the creation of separate ways to talk, Discord, Skype...I don't know.

Plus some users around actually like the app, reception has been positive. And as noted, this is not a service that will just launch and that's it. At least things can only get better from here.
 

HeroR

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I really liked Miiverse, so no alternative to that sucks.

But everything else, is no biggie.

Though the outrage of some around the voice app is weird. I mean, it sucks that is THE option instead of AN option, but considering even in here the constant talk about how people don't talk online, the creation of separate ways to talk, Discord, Skype...I don't know.

Plus some users around actually like the app, reception has been positive. And as noted, this is not a service that will just launch and that's it. At least things can only get better from here.

I actually liked the App and I think it being an option for voice chat is cool since I have bluetooth headphone for my phone and I chat while playing a game that doesn't drain my Switch on trips. However, it being the only option is the issue.

Overall, the only thing I really dislike is the Cloud being behind a paywall and there is no other way to backup your saves. So it's either pony up, or risk your saves being lost, and some games don't even support Cloud like Splatoon, which is a GAAS. Like, really Nintendo. Will it kill you to have us back up our games on a SD card?
 

Bowl0l

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MS is also letting you carry your entire library from Xbox to Xbox one. I can't play PlayStation classic Spyro 1-3 on my Vita or PS4 legally.
I thought it was for selected XBox 360 title and not entire?

Sony let the Vita to die, they are not going to bother to negotiate for PS Classic license for it.
Give Sony a chance for the PS5. If they screw up PS4 b/c, I vow to only pay max $20 for all PSN purchases.
 

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I personally don't get as hostile about friend codes as the regular person, it's like adding someone's phone number to me so it's not a big deal that it replaces usernames.

When Friend Codes were first introduced, they were on a per-game basis. For every game you wanted to play with a friend, you had to exchange a unique pair of FCs. Obviously, this was comically awful, and it got all the hate it deserved.

It was later changed to the current system where the codes are per-user rather than per-game. But at this point, the "Friend Codes are the worst thing ever" meme has been repeated often enough that people have forgotten why they loathed it so much in the first place.
 

KcebAnier

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They prioritized a leaner, snappier OS. I think it's that simple.

I can't believe how many people are saying this has nothing to do with it and actually believe that statement to be true.

Adding an Online Suite to the Console would instantly Bloat and Slow down the entire console. That is a very simple fact.

As for the OP,
  • It had native voice chat on the system
It had software specific voice chat that had to be built into every game. It was not a system feature.
  • It had video chat support
It was an App, not a System Feature and the Controller had a Camera Built into it.
  • It had integrated communities (such as Miiverse)
These were not really integrated, save for random messages popping up in some games. It was an App. It was also an Echo Chamber that prevented all of the cool content created in it from ever reaching real social media. It was a cool App, but it was very bad for Marketing.
  • It had messaging for friends on the system
Clearly the App needs Improvements, like messaging, but there is no reason this Feature Needs to be on the Console itself. There is literally nothing gained from being able to send messages on the console as opposed to sending them from your phone.
  • It used usernames, and not Friend Codes
The Switch has six or seven different ways to Add friends. A Friend Code is one of them.


I'm not going to go out espousing the virtues of Nintendo's Online System, but the Hyperbolic overreaction to a generally fine Online System is getting ridiculous. It's not good, it's not great, but it's fine and it will probably get a little better over time.
 

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Friend codes exist because you can change your "nickname" (the username other players see) whenever you want. Because of this, I am fine with friend codes on Switch.

Overall though, Switch's online service is disappointing.
 
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The Friend code thing is so overblown. The reason people hated it was because every game had a different friend code. Now the code is universal, you exchange it once and that person is a friend on your account. Friend Codes on Switch are nothing like they were on Wii and DS. People are getting mad at a name at this point.

The rest I agree with though.

Without looking it up, please share your friend code with me. I'd like to play some Mario Kart.
 

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The Friend code thing is so overblown. The reason people hated it was because every game had a different friend code. Now the code is universal, you exchange it once and that person is a friend on your account. Friend Codes on Switch are nothing like they were on Wii and DS. People are getting mad at a name at this point.

The rest I agree with though.

Completely agree. There is nothing wrong with system-wide Friend Codes on Switch. I'd rather have Friend Codes everywhere like on PS4 than the screen names they have now since you can't change them...

Changeable names > Friend Codes with changeable names > Permanent name
 

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Agreed. Switch's online service feels like a gigantic step backwards from Wii U (at least so far).
 
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Friend codes exist because you can change your "nickname" (the username other players see) whenever you want. Because of this, I am fine with friend codes on Switch.

Overall though, Switch's online service is disappointing.
Again, Wii U and Steam already offer this without Friend Codes. It's a problem that was solved to a much better degree already, we went back to using Friend Codes where they were unnecessary, and with no benefit for the end user.

Why would he do that when he could just follow the Twitter handle you have linked to your account and invite you.?
Why do we have to rely on these workarounds at all?
 

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Man, this is one of those things I can't really recall having read before, but maybe it was such a stupid thing when I read it (if I did) that I ignored it and forgot completely about it, so... They are back to using friend codes? What the actual fuck?! Can they fucking get online right for once? Especially now that they're charging for it.