Nintendo: new NES games coming every month to NSO, list for October through December

Deleted member 45414 · Sep 14, 2018

I'm assuming SP/Special versions are with added online features.

I can understand that it might take time to add net code to these games, but why dripfeed non-SP games?

Is it just to pad out the service?

Also what happens when they run out of good NES games worth putting on the service dripfeed style?

I KILL PXLS · Sep 14, 2018

808s & Villainy said:
I'd be more excited if these were even SNES games, but NES games are just eh to me unfortunately

Same. I can only really go as far back as 16-bit when it comes to retro games. I really have no interest in NES games anymore.

Cdammen · Sep 14, 2018

If they're pulling some PAL bullshit again I will flip a tit.

D.Lo · Sep 14, 2018

tulpa said:
Good thing I didn't say either of those things.

Let's see then shall we.

D.Lo said:
Others have increased their online prices at rate X = Nintendo will definitely increase their prices at rate > X.

Okay did you say this?

tulpa said:
It doesn't take some detailed analysis to realize that console online services increase in price over time.

"Others increased their prices therefore Nintendo will"

tulpa said:
The idea is to debut it at a low price that seems palatable and then gradually increase the price to be much closer to the other services.

"Nintendo's plan to increase the price to match the others services." Based on literally nothing.

So yes. Yes you did say that.

Now...

D.Lo said:

Others have added online features at rate Y = Nintendo will definitely add features at rate < Y.

Click to expand...

Click to shrink...

tulpa said:

My point is that the lower price relative to other services won't last long, while the features gap certainly might.

Click to expand...

Click to shrink...

So... you said exactly that too.

tulpa · Sep 14, 2018

Atheerios said:
Lol. This post is just completly incorrect.

No, it's correct.

Atheerios said:
Not a single one of the consoles you mentioned had system-wide voice chat.

I never said system-wide voice chat. I said they had voice chat available in online games on the system.

Atheerios said:
Save transfers are not locked behind a pay wall

Yes, they are

Atheerios said:
you can still transfer them through system settings as always without subscribing

Let's not pretend that being able to transfer your entire system data and user profiles is the same thing as save data management

Atheerios · Sep 14, 2018

tulpa said:
No, it's correct.

I never said system-wide voice chat. I said they had voice chat available in online games on the system.

Yes, they are

Let's not pretend that being able to transfer your entire system data and user profiles is the same thing as save data management

Fortnite has voice chat so your point is still invalid.

Why would you even do that? There's a reason why that hasn't been a thing since the Wii. Too easy cheating.

eseqko · Sep 14, 2018

I hope it's like a 500MB download that consistently gets updated when the new games arrive.

Protoman200X · Sep 14, 2018

SaintBowWow said:
If they weren't relegating this to NES games only I might agree, but most NES games are extremely dated these days. I'll gladly play a decent indie game over an NES game outside of a handful of classics like SMB. It's a third of what the competition asks but considerably less, and in my opinion the game offering of the competition as well as the features those services provide make them much more than 3x the value.

I like playing older games, even NES games (despite being my least favorite in most cases), but most of that library hasn't aged well. They're too basic for me. They certainly aren't a good selling point for me to get onboard for Nintendo's paid online service.

But apparently, it works for everyone else & I don't understand it. It's not that I don't like the idea of the NES library being on Switch, but they're just... you can get them anywhere else at this point, even on PC. And when modern "retro-style" games like Shovel Knight exist, it's pretty hard to go back to the original NES games.

The only selling point for me is save data backup. That's it. I can live without playing with friends, at least for the moment. Without it, if I lost my Switch, odds are I would not buy another just because I don't want to restart my current unfinished library.

tulpa · Sep 14, 2018

D.Lo said:
So you did say others increased their prices therefore Nintendo will

I did say that Nintendo will eventually increase the price of their online service, based on the evidence of every single paid online service for consoles eventually increasing in price. That's not what you were talking about in your response. You said that I said Nintendo would definitely increase their prices at a faster rate than other console online services have done. That's not true, I never said that.

D.Lo said:
So... you said exactly that.

Sorry, saying that since other console online services haven't found it necessary to add features when they increased the price, so there's no guarantee that Nintendo will add features when they increase the price is the same thing as saying they will definitely add features at a slower rate than the other online services? Even if you think it's acceptable to change "might" to "definitely," it's still not saying what you claim it said.

Sorry, this post has only served the purpose of demonstrating that I never said the things you claimed I said. I'll respond to arguments against what I've said, but not to arguments about statements you've misattributed to me.

Deleted member 46641 · Sep 14, 2018

NES classic had a better lineup TBH.

No Super Mario bros 2? What the FUCK

Linkhero1 · Sep 14, 2018

It feels pretty underwhelming since I already bought the NES classic.

Risq · Sep 14, 2018

Masozi said:
NES classic had a better lineup TBH.

No Super Mario bros 2? What the FUCK

They have to leave some of the big hitters out so they can fill out the next 12 months :)

I really hope that when the SNES games come that we get a digital version of Super Mario All-Stars. My life would be complete.

Vivian-Pogo · Sep 14, 2018

Are the SP versions only listed on the EU site, or does the JP site list them as well?

If it's EU only, I'm worried about the SP games just being crappy 50hz versions of the games.

tulpa · Sep 14, 2018

Atheerios said:
Why would you even do that? There's a reason why that hasn't been a thing since the Wii. Too easy cheating.

What? In what was has manual save transfers and backup not been a thing since Wii? It was absolutely available on Wii U and it's absolutely available on every other platform.

Yoshimitsu126 · Sep 14, 2018

Where's Contra?

Will check out Double Dragon next week though.

julian · Sep 14, 2018

I was taken aback at the third party games as they avoided showing any before. But the first few months sure look padded, so I'm a bit worried about what comes next year.

Also, lol at people complaining about this while pointing to PS+ games. That service works in a completely different fashion. For one, if you have a group of people over and want to play any of these NES games, you can sign up and have access to the current library right away. You aren't collecting for only the months you've subbed (and logged in and purchased). It's a totally different value proposition that I think will encourage people to try out the 1 month sub when friends or family are over.

Atheerios · Sep 14, 2018

tulpa said:
What? In what was has manual save transfers and backup not been a thing since Wii? It was absolutely available on Wii U and it's absolutely available on every other platform.

Nope. Wii U doesn't let you transfer saves to another console. Saves are encrypted and cant be used on a different system unless you do a full transfer.

Platy · Sep 14, 2018

....since the special editions are only mentioned in the UK site maybe that is like 60hrtz ?

eseqko said:
I hope it's like a 500MB download that consistently gets updated when the new games arrive.

Mentioned in the link in the op that it is 53mb in the usa, 58,7 in the europe

tulpa · Sep 14, 2018

Atheerios said:
Nope. Wii U doesn't let you transfer saves to another console. Saves are encrypted and cant be used on a different system unless you do a full transfer.

But I'm not talking about transferring to another system. I transfer my saves to USB on PS4 and Wii U to back up my saves and my progress at certain points in some games all the time. I like having the option to backup my saves, and plenty of other people use that feature too. Now, on Switch, it's locked behind a paywall.

Seafoam Gaming · Sep 14, 2018

Musubi said:
Why on earth would you want that when you can have access to ALL the games for mere pennies per day? Like at $20 for a year that averages out to like literally .5 cents per day.

Because I can buy and actually keep the damn games on my console forever. I bought 170 Wii U VC games and wouldn't mind rebuying most of them on my Switch. This subscription service is utterly stupid especially since Japan's lineup gets shafted as a result when they always had the best VC/Classic consoles Title Selection.

molnizzle · Sep 14, 2018

Do we know if these will have save states or scanline filters?

Megatron · Sep 14, 2018

tulpa said:
Respectfully, I think people who point out that it's only $20 and cheaper than the services from other consoles are missing the point. One, you're getting much less, so of course it would be cheaper. Two, there was never going to be a situation where Nintendo debuts a bare-bones online service at the same price as the other console makers. The idea is to debut it at a low price that seems palatable and then gradually increase the price to be much closer to the other services.

Yup. So I plan to stock up on the one year cards at the first sale.

Protoman200X · Sep 14, 2018

molnizzle said:
Do we know if these will have save states or scanline filters?

No, but they are probably going to be bare bone ROM's that Nintendo had fished out from the internet.

Atheerios · Sep 14, 2018

tulpa said:
But I'm not talking about transferring to another system. I transfer my saves to USB on PS4 and Wii U to back up my saves and my progress at certain points in some games all the time. I like having the option to backup my saves, and plenty of other people use that feature too. Now, on Switch, it's locked behind a paywall.

Nope. Same problem. On Wii U those are not real backups, they are encrypted using a system-specific key. And that key is reset every time you format.

So if your console gets damaged those backups become worthless as there's no way to decrypt them.

3DS has the exact same problem BTW. Both consoles lack real backups.

molnizzle · Sep 14, 2018

Blues1990 said:
No, but they are probably going to be bare bone ROM's that Nintendo had fished out from the internet.

Well the classic consoles have both, so here's hoping...

funky · Sep 14, 2018

Nintendo wouldnt be dumb enough to upload the PAL roms in the EU right?

RIGHT?

evilromero · Sep 14, 2018

Was expecting new NES games. These are all old.

Slam Tilt · Sep 14, 2018

HF2014 said:
Christ, am i the only one being happy with this? For 20$ a year, a nice nes library, cloud save, and discount on game. Ice Hockey oh yeah!

No you're not. A pessimistic minority is just being loud.

Mandos said:
I'm happy, high five! Especially with third party games confirmed

Yep. I was already okay with the service, but adding third-party titles sweetens the deal considerably in my book. Just wondering how broad the library will eventually get.

Shoe · Sep 14, 2018

molnizzle said:
Do we know if these will have save states or scanline filters?

It says Suspend Menu so there's some form of save states.

NintendoMariah · Sep 14, 2018

Slam Tilt said:
No you're not. A pessimistic minority is just being loud.

Yep. I was already okay with the service, but adding third-party titles sweetens the deal considerably in my book. Just wondering how broad the library will eventually get.

this!

there is alot of happy people, plus did we forget the surprises. They made it look big and important. I cant wait!

Oniletter · Sep 14, 2018

Bakercat said:
Periodic online check-in?

Like XboxOne at E3 2013?

No, like Sony's PS+ games.

Oniletter · Sep 14, 2018

SaintBowWow said:
bring up comparisons to competitor's services, which blow this out of the water

They don't. I think PS+ and Live are an egregious waste of money compared to the <7€ per year I'll be playing for NSO.

If I could get the exact same family sharing deal with a somewhat convoluted way to team speak and some retro games on PS+, I'd subscribe in a heartbeat. I'm not paying 60 bucks for an avalanche of bad indie games ( and virtually nothing I'd ever use on top) annually.

TylersProphecy · Sep 14, 2018

Wario's Woods is very ho-hum, buuuuuUUUUUT...
No Urban Champions?!

Impressive, Nintendo!
...they're learning...

poptire · Sep 14, 2018

Anecdotal, but three of my adult friends who haven't played video games in years are freaking out about "Netflix for Nintendo games". I think it's a really good look for casual audiences.

DrDeckard · Sep 14, 2018

You got me Nintendo.

New Fang · Sep 14, 2018

Playing NES games in handheld mode involves using an analog stick. Yuck.

Playing on the tv means I might as well just turn on the NES Classic, of which millions of others have purchased in the past year.

Carolina Reaper · Sep 14, 2018

Yeah, I dont want any of that. I do want save backups though, but not enough to just pay for them.

Deleted member 10737 · Sep 14, 2018

pretty happy about this. so these were shown to all be in one app, right? they won't have their own icons?

IamPeacock · Sep 14, 2018

Maybe SNES and other platforms will come by next year?

Agent Icebeezy · Sep 14, 2018

Fuck this shit, even though this was my first ever system to own, I can't rock with this. Give us all the systems Nintendo.

Deleted member 10737 · Sep 14, 2018

people seem angry about this? why did you expect more than what was promised?

UltimusXI · Sep 14, 2018

I like how you can access all games even if you start subscribing later, didn't know that. Now I don't have to subscribe before owning a Switch.

Good selection of classics for the price imo, especially since I never got a NES classic.

NintendoSwitchLover · Sep 14, 2018

This whole service seems like one bad dream I can't wake up from.

davidnolan13 · Sep 14, 2018

Meh selection but I suppose I'll sub to play smb3 for the millionth time.

Aprikurt · Sep 14, 2018

This is a replacement for Virtual Console like spray can cheese is a replacement for a good Gouda. Will never stop complaining about this nonsense. We've been given an inferior option whilst also having games we've been playing online for free locked behind a paywall. It's not a particularly fresh argument, I know, but people are far, far too willing to give Nintendo a free pass for utterly nonsensical business practices.

If you're happy with NES titles being drip-fed over many months, good stuff, but man it just seems bizarre to me to see that lineup touted as some sort of gift in 2018!

olobolger · Sep 14, 2018

This was exactly what I was looking for in the FAQ:

Can Nintendo Entertainment System – Nintendo Switch Online only be played where I have an active internet connection?

Nintendo Entertainment System – Nintendo Switch Online can be played for up to seven days without an internet connection. If you are unable to launch Nintendo Entertainment System – Nintendo Switch Online, then please try connecting to the internet again.

Interesting.

BladeoftheImmortal · Sep 14, 2018

This just makes it easier to hack my switch. Paid online from them was a mistake.

Boy Wander · Sep 14, 2018

An experiment in what it would have been like if the internet existed in 1987.

Poised Turtoise · Sep 14, 2018

Braaier said:
It doesn't look like they're gonna add snes games. Not sure why ppl are expecting that

I guess I just expected Nintendo to want to sell their service idk ?

This offering is awful with some key titles not even being in at launch and they don't even have basic functionality of online down like, idk, friend requests? I don't expect SNES games, just not gonna get it if they can't do at least that

BladeoftheImmortal · Sep 14, 2018

Boy Wander said:
An experiment in what it would have been like if the internet existed in 1987.

Genesis did this in the early 90s, actually. Wasn't that far removed from this.

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