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Iron Fist | Season 2 on Netflix | 9/7/18 (Spoiler tagged discussion)
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Just finished it and yes, it is. I don't think it's a must watch, but it's much improved.
*ThisIsResetERA.jif*
I've always wanted to do that.
Just saw the first episode last night. It's sooooooooooo
bad still. The fighting's a bit better (restaurant scene), but man, I just hate Danny's character, and the acting feels so weak. Thank god for the misadventures of Ward, at least. I'll give it a few more episodes and see if it improves.
I would at least read what happened in it, because basically everything in S2 is due to the fallout of S1.
lmao yeah, the special effects in these shows are so.... unfortunate. I remember a shot of a character with super speed in Jessica Jones S2 that looked so bad that I almost spat out my drink.
I dont get why everyone hates danny. I really enjoyed season 1, and just finished season 2. Im pretty pumped for season e now, they really did some great things with the characters this season. I also think the guy that plays ward is an amazing actor. Any scene where hes going through stuff is always really intense.
Iron Fist has a fundamental problem in that the iron fist is just not a very good superpower. The power itself isn't enough to make a person a serious contender, but at the same time the show wants to lean on the power to explain why Danny is a hero. So it can't present him as Superman, whose power qualifies him to be a hero all by itself, but it also can't present him as Batman, who's just really smart and a ninja. It just always feels silly that nobody ever brings a pistol to an iron fist fight. And that the power is underwhelming is a problem for the whole premise of the season, since it's a little hard to see why everyone cares so much about it. Yeah, it's got religious significance to a couple of people, but that's about it.
I thought the season was not that good. Better than S1, and being only 10 episodes helps a lot. The conclusion works fairly well, and actually better than it would have if the rest of the show was better.
I thought the season was not that good. Better than S1, and being only 10 episodes helps a lot. The conclusion works fairly well, and actually better than it would have if the rest of the show was better.
The "superhero gives up their power to someone else" thing rarely works well because you know that they're just going to get it back immediately. But it was both executed well here and helped by how Danny is everyone's least favorite part of the show, so it's actually plausible that they're going to more of an ensemble thing and that Colleen is going to have the fist for a while. And that final scene makes that look fairly likely, even if they didn't commit to depowering Danny and instead gave him terrible-looking gun powers.
Was rewatching a few fights from Season 1, and I actually don't mind some of these Colleen Wing battles. Like the ones she had in the cage in Episode 3 and 4, but also the sword fight in the rain against Bakuto in Episode 12.
Can't wait to check out her fight in S02E06, since she says that's her favorite fight alongside the kitchen fight in S02E01.
Can't wait to check out her fight in S02E06, since she says that's her favorite fight alongside the kitchen fight in S02E01.
Because he's insufferable. In season 1 he comes across as a preachy man child who is also the worst successor to a mystical power that you supposedly earn through ability and mental fortitude, that I've ever seen. He has anger issues, he's impulsive, and he's just...dumb. Well, naive. Now, I'm not saying that his story doesn't back up some of these--he was raised in a cult, basically, lost his parents at a young age, and has no experience--but they don't make for a likable character. It also doesn't help that his fight scenes aren't the best. At least Ward is amazing. That's the plot line that kept me watching.
It's funny watching this show jump through hoops to try to make Joy's heel turn make sense. Like it requires all of the characters she's mad at to somehow not be able to explain why they made the decisions that they did.
I like the fact that because Danny is such a crappy Iron Fist, yet, they have not shown you what a good Iron Fist can do with the power of it, no one can understand the ending properly.
This is like the perfect point as to why you can't write shows or even stingers only for comic fans.
This is like the perfect point as to why you can't write shows or even stingers only for comic fans.
Yea you can skip it. Just read this:
https://www.popsugar.com/entertainment/Iron-Fist-Season-1-Recap-43328143
There's so many reasons as to why one would hate Danny, but the easiest one is just that the actor is just totally miscast.
If you like Colleen and Misty, go for it.
Lmao, well actually
Ward literally did explain himself, including how their father was a total fucking psycho, and even then she basically just shrugs at the whole explanation.
Even in episode one, her motivation is supposed to be
"He came back and turned everything I had to ashes. I want him to know what that feels like." Uh, his parents were ripped away from him as a kid. He lost his home, his friends, his very identity... And, uh, it was your dad that was instrumental in it, Joy. You forget that? And what about your brother? Remember him? He kept your dad secret from you, then killed him, jeopardized the company many times with his vices, then... Wouldn't you say that Danny had less to do with everything than your own family? It's so weird to me. Maybe they're going somewhere better with it, but at the moment it's bizarre logic from someone who purportedly has a brain in her head.
There's that too, but I feel bad for Finn. He's an OK actor who's been given some terrible stuff to work with. I'm willing to let the physique/fight thing slide for him because I seem to remember that there was some kind of rush getting him into the show and there wasn't much prep, but it's the character stuff and the writing that give him no shot at making it better (IMO).
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Also it's just way too much work. Could've just the dojo on fire or something, not randomly find yourself working with Davos in some convoluted scheme to take his Iron Fist away. Joy being that vengeful is so forced.
Eh, I like Finn Jones as Danny Rand. Although his character can be really naive many times, and often does something before thinking it through. I was shaking my head when he jumped at signing the contract in episode one.
On episode 4. Mary got a blue and green eye, such nice detail.
I also really like Danny and Colleen's apartment, so cozy, and they even got a nice terrace in the back for the barbeque.
On episode 4. Mary got a blue and green eye, such nice detail.
And I like how Mr Yang didn't go to Hong Kong, but instead got a stroke by Davis's little trick. I like that, and Mrs Yang's willingness to attend the meeting makes much more sense now. Also like how Misty turned up already, and how it turned out the guys from last night were cops and not another faction, Danny you fucked up, although I don't blame him in this case.
I also really like Danny and Colleen's apartment, so cozy, and they even got a nice terrace in the back for the barbeque.
Yep.
Davos makes sense. Dude's got a legitimate gripe. Danny is a terrible Iron Fist and he feels rightfully betrayed. Joy, though? The heck? None of that computes.
This is where I'm at as well. Joy hating Ward? Sure. Davos hating Danny? Makes sense. Joy hating Danny so much she teams up with fucking Davos to take away his superpowers? What?
Oh yea, that's another thing. Despite her hate towards Ward being justified to an extent, she's primarily targeting Danny. Like.... the hell?
I think the only thing she did to Ward was basically wanting to separate from him business-wise. Wow, so very vengeful. Meanwhile Danny who was at no point malicious towards her is getting treated as if he shot her himself lol
I think the only thing she did to Ward was basically wanting to separate from him business-wise. Wow, so very vengeful. Meanwhile Danny who was at no point malicious towards her is getting treated as if he shot her himself lol
Finished Episode 4, and they finally hit the point, that I was waiting for.
Can someone explain this to me though:
Mary is also such a cool character so far.
Turning Davos into the Serpent.
Can someone explain this to me though:
Davos wanted the shipment with the corpse, but Mr. Yang and the Hatchets wanted to cancel the shipment. So Davos went and gave him a stroke in E3, so that he wouldn't be able to cancel it. Then the Tigers was supposed to trade for the docks at the parley meeting? But it went south, so Tigers took it by force. How does all of this connect? Davos figured Mrs. Yang would still cancel the shipment, and then just let the Tigers take over the docks, before doing his move?
Mary is also such a cool character so far.
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Well,
The gun power is just the fist. He transferred the Chi through the guns.
TV Marvel is really wishy washy on fantastical elements though, so they barely talk about Chi. Danny is supposed to be able to use it to do things like heal people and it also enhances his physical abilities and reflexes.
In the comics even people like daredevil can use chi to heal faster, and Shang Chi can use chi to a great degree as well (still hope they introduce him somewhere).
Oh trust me, they didn't write this show for fans of Iron Fist. If they did we would have had an immortal weapon tournament by now and they wouldn't have butchered the bride of nine spiders.
Also Luke Cage would have been in at least one episode.
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To be fair, she is perfectly reasonable in believing that Ward is self-destructive enough to hurt himself so she doesn't have to do much. She even says as much in their meeting when Mary is captured
That's Alice Eve's natural eye color. She has Heterochromia Iridum.
Don't worry too much, it's not as big a deal to the season as you think it would be. Don't bother trying to anticipate it.
If you really want to know, it's literally the last thing you see in the season as a tease for the next.
It's more of a future teaser rather than relevant to the current season. There are other surprises, but I've seen them spoiled in youtube thumbnails also, so tread lightly.
Finished this last night.
Way better than first season thats for sure.
My favorite part was:
Way better than first season thats for sure.
My favorite part was:
When Colleen got the fist for the first time and she is just in shock, awe, horror, of what she will become. Just imagining that happening to an average person, its gotta be pretty terrifying and I feel like the actress portrayed that emotion very well.
To be fair, she does say that she's targeting Danny because she can't bring herself to do it to Ward, and also feels he'll fuck up plenty on his own anyway. It is stupid though lol.
Ah okay, that's good to know. Not reading that spoiler KarmaCow but thanks anyway. I thought it would be a big deal, since someone could do the same thing in the Immortal Iron Fist comic.
Had no idea. I never noticed during her interviews for Iron Fist.That's Alice Eve's natural eye color. She has Heterochromia Iridum.
Even at 10 episodes the show has a pacing problem. I wish the plot moved faster. Character writing was all over the place. Motivations changed at the drop of a hat. Danny still sucks. At least the ending left room for improvement.
To answer your docks question:
Mr. Yang wanted to trade the docks with the Tigers, and Davos found out. To make sure the shipment wouldn't fall into Tiger hands, he killed Yang. He didn't anticipate Ms. Yang would continue the meeting.
Thanks. I also got this explanation on discord just now actually, together it makes sense.
The Tigers wanted the docks back from the Hatchets. However, because of the parley that meant both sides would share profits, thus increasing the shipment costs for Davos. Davos wasn't prepared to pay that much so he killed Yang. The parley fell through, the Tigers took over the docks, and Davos killed them, getting it for free.
Yep. Joy was annoying and did not sympathize or care for even a bit.
Good season! glad it was 10 episodes, but still; it could have been shorter.
Most characters are improved from season 1 (tragedy). Colleen and danny are pretty decent now.
Villian half decent.
Great final!
Not the best, not the worst. Daredevil s1 and 2 > punisher/ iron fist 2/ luke cage season 1 >>> jessica jones> iron fist s1
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My thinking is she's written as irrationally petty on purpose because she grew up an entitled yuppy, but the motive behind her actual behavior now is too absurd to take seriously either way. It's not like Danny kept the secret about her dad for years - he was back in NYC for like a month tops before she found out. That's grounds to stop speaking, not actively ruin someone's life.
I blame this on Scott Buck mostly, but the current showrunner really didn't try hard enough to fix that shit.
And Davos is a piece of shit with misplaced anger. His mother is the asshole, not Danny.
I finished the season. Way better than S1 but they had nowhere to go but up:
- Danny is still annoying but much less so
- Colleen, Misty and Ward are awesome
- I like the actress that plays Joy but her character arc is so badly done
- fight scenes are much better than S1, can't think of any really memorable ones like Daredevil but they were competent
- overall it was an OK season. Best stuff is the very ending
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- Danny is still annoying but much less so
- Colleen, Misty and Ward are awesome
- I like the actress that plays Joy but her character arc is so badly done
She literally says she hurt Danny because she couldn't bring herself to hurt Ward like that
- fight scenes are much better than S1, can't think of any really memorable ones like Daredevil but they were competent
- overall it was an OK season. Best stuff is the very ending
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