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What Apple Products do You have?

  • Mac

    Votes: 394 64.0%
  • iPad

    Votes: 446 72.4%
  • iPhone

    Votes: 535 86.9%
  • Watch

    Votes: 368 59.7%
  • Airpods

    Votes: 405 65.7%
  • AppleTV

    Votes: 308 50.0%
  • None: The Dark World

    Votes: 25 4.1%

  • Total voters
    616

eyeball_kid

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Oct 25, 2017
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I mean, there already exist mats with multiple charging places. What Apple aimed to do was something that also charges the Apple Watch (which doesn't support straight-up Qi IIRC), charges the AirPods, for which will be necessary for Apple to also release the wireless charging case for them, allows for some free flow placement on the mat and displays a fancy UI on the iPhone indicating the battery levels. It's not just a tall order, but it's really off-limits for 3rd parties. Last thing it was heard it even ran its own version of iOS.

Wireless charging is really counter to Apple's forward progress on environmentalism anyway. The Qi standard has 30-40% energy loss depending on the manufacturer. For one device, sure, that's not going to do damage to the environment. But Apple thinks in terms of millions of devices, and that energy waste adds up.
 

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Wireless charging is really counter to Apple's forward progress on environmentalism anyway. The Qi standard has 30-40% energy loss depending on the manufacturer. For one device, sure, that's nothing. But Apple thinks in terms of millions of devices, and that energy waste adds up.

Do they really care beyond a cheerleading slide at the start of a keynote, cause I really damn well doubt it.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Do they really care beyond a cheerleading slide at the start of a keynote, cause I really damn well doubt it.
Much like privacy being a core tenet of Apple, so is their commitment to the environment.

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...ok-climate-change-sceptics-ditch-apple-shares
However, Justin Danhof of the NCPPR pursued the line by asking Cook if Apple's environmental investments increased or decreased the company's bottom line. He also asked Cook to commit Apple to only investing in measures that were profitable.

Cook became visibly angry at Danhof's questions and categorically rejected the NCPPR's climate scepticism, according to the Mac Observer's Bryan Chaffin, who attended the event. He told shareholders that securing a return on investment was not the only reason for investing in environmental measures.

"When we work on making our devices accessible by the blind, I don't consider the bloody ROI," Cook said, adding that the same sentiment applied to environmental and health and safety issues.

He told Danhof that if he did not believe in climate change, he should sell his Apple shares. "If you want me to do things only for ROI reasons, you should get out of this stock," he said.
 

eyeball_kid

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Do they really care beyond a cheerleading slide at the start of a keynote, cause I really damn well doubt it.

Did you...watch the keynote? They had their VP of Environment give a presentation. They announced that they now use 100% renewable energy globally, and are working to make that a reality for their supply chain as well. I'd say that's more than just cheerleading. They care.

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2018/04/apple-now-globally-powered-by-100-percent-renewable-energy/
As part of its commitment to combat climate change and create a healthier environment, Apple today announced its global facilities are powered with 100 percent clean energy. This achievement includes retail stores, offices, data centers and co-located facilities in 43 countries — including the United States, the United Kingdom, China and India. The company also announced nine additional manufacturing partners have committed to power all of their Apple production with 100 percent clean energy, bringing the total number of supplier commitments to 23.
 

dallow_bg

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Oct 28, 2017
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Makes sense. But damn, if this doesn't make me wary what it means for the new iPad Pro. If it really has to be used standing up for the most part like some leaks indicate... what a mess.
Yeah I'm awfully curious.
To me it seems like a easy thing to do with the dot projector. But I'm no engineer.

Time for multiple notches? ;)
 

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Did you...watch the keynote? They had their VP of Environment give a presentation. They announced that they now use 100% renewable energy globally, and are working to make that a reality for their supply chain as well. I'd say that's more than just cheerleading. They care.

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2018/04/apple-now-globally-powered-by-100-percent-renewable-energy/

I buy why you want to be seen to do it, and particularly with the way regulations in most western countries are going it makes financial sense to go green.

I just don't think any billion or trillion dollar company is going to be too cut up about their wireless charging device being a bit inefficient because they're worried about the environment. That's not how corporate entities like Apple really work. The problems with the AirPower are more basic than that or it would be out by now.
 

eyeball_kid

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I buy why you want to be seen to do it, and particularly with the way regulations in most western countries are going it makes financial sense to go green.

I just don't think any billion or trillion dollar company is going to be too cut up about their wireless charging device being a bit inefficient because they're worried about the environment. That's not how corporate entities like Apple really work. The problems with the AirPower are more basic than that or it would be out by now.

I have my issues with some of Apple's decisions. But I think as a company culture they truly care about environmental stewardship, even at the upper levels. The financial incentive of going green is certainly not straightforward, nor is going 100% renewable at all easy at the scale they operate at. You may choose to view their motivation cynically, but the end result is that they are still doing a hell of a lot more than any other big tech company to protect and conserve the environment.
 

jts

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Oct 26, 2017
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Almost feel tempted to get a clearance SE for collecting :(

And well, work purposes. It would help.
 

saladdays

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Sep 11, 2018
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I'm sure I'm not the only one who's said this, but I'm a little disappointed with the lack of budget options in the conference today. I love my SE, but I don't really want to be using it in like 2020, it's starting to need a replacement.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Apple will give me $225 for my Apple Watch Series 3 (not bad since I caught it on an eBay sale and coupon for like $290). They are advertising the ability to just do a trade in where they'll refund you the amount of your trade in if you purchase a new device instead of giving you a gift card. So for example I buy a Series 4 Apple Watch, trade in my Series 3 towards it. Once I ship my Series 3 in they'd refund me $225 back on my debit card for example instead of giving me a gift card to use on a future purchase. Best I can tell there is no way to do that process ahead of time, it looks like it's probably at the time of order (which in my case would be tomorrow night). Anyone have any more info about how this process works by chance?
 

J_Viper

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Oct 25, 2017
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How's the X for reading comics? I'm wondering if I should go all in with an X Max or instead save for a eventual new tablet (rolling currently with an Air 2) and keep my 6S Plus
 

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How's the X for reading comics? I'm wondering if I should go all in with an X Max or instead save for a eventual new tablet (rolling currently with an Air 2) and keep my 6S Plus

as a fellow 6S plus owner i look at how well mine runs on iOS 12 and think the idea of spending $1000 to replace it sounds honestly insane

it's got a big display (higher-res than the XR!), 12mp 4k camera, still snappy for almost everything, has a headphone jack. what would i get for my $1099? a cooler design and a better camera? like, yeah, the OLED displays are better, but the 6S Plus display still looks damn good. the a12 will make websites load a fraction of a second faster and make fortnite look prettier. $1099 just doesn't seem at all worth it when a $749 phone from 2015 still works so well.

as far as comic reading goes: honestly, even an ipad mini is too small. comics want the biggest screen you can get.
 

Zackat

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Oct 25, 2017
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A few questions.

With the new apple watches, can I just pull out the airpods, they connect to the watch, and I start streaming music? Do I have to have the phone near at first before I start working out?

Cause if it just works like that then I am probably back in the apple ecosystem. I am really into getting back into shape after I hurt my back, and want to go on long run/bike rides with no phone. Completely frustrated with Android smart watches lately.
 

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A few questions.

With the new apple watches, can I just pull out the airpods, they connect to the watch, and I start streaming music? Do I have to have the phone near at first before I start working out?

Cause if it just works like that then I am probably back in the apple ecosystem. I am really into getting back into shape after I hurt my back, and want to go on long run/bike rides with no phone. Completely frustrated with Android smart watches lately.

Yes, AirPods work natively with the Watch. What you described is exactly how I use them
 

JavyOO7

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Oct 27, 2017
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I want the XR but I've had the 8 since last Oct... gotta be strong. Hopefully a new Mac mini comes
 

Kordelle

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Oct 27, 2017
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This year does nothing for me, will keep my 8 plus for at least another year. The prices are crazy.
So far we only know 3 cameras for next year, right?
 
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eyeball_kid

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as a fellow 6S plus owner i look at how well mine runs on iOS 12 and think the idea of spending $1000 to replace it sounds honestly insane

it's got a big display (higher-res than the XR!), 12mp 4k camera, still snappy for almost everything, has a headphone jack. what would i get for my $1099? a cooler design and a better camera? like, yeah, the OLED displays are better, but the 6S Plus display still looks damn good. the a12 will make websites load a fraction of a second faster and make fortnite look prettier. $1099 just doesn't seem at all worth it when a $749 phone from 2015 still works so well.

as far as comic reading goes: honestly, even an ipad mini is too small. comics want the biggest screen you can get.

I guess it depends what you use your phone for. Everything from camera apps to games to audio production apps that I use takes advantage of the X's massive CPU and GPU performance. Face ID is also fantastic and I'd never want to go back to Touch ID. Then there's TrueTone which makes everything so much more pleasant to look at, with less eye strain. I don't know how the RAM in the XS or XR stacks up to your 6S, but I imagine it's better and will hold for instance more Safari tabs in memory.

Also, I think it's clear that machine learning is something Apple is betting heavily on, so having an iPhone with a CoreML chip is going to be key going forwards.
 

acheron_xl

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Oct 27, 2017
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I regret getting on the iUP last year. No 3D Touch on the XR really annoys me, and I'd really rather not spend $15 extra a month for the XS.

I really want the Series 4 (currently have an OG Watch) but I'm really tempted to switch to Android this time next year when my 8 is paid off.
 

ara

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Oct 26, 2017
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I'm (still) thirsty for the iPhone X(s), but the prices starting from almost 1200 euros still means that I'll have to stick with the iPhone 8 for now. It's just absurdly expensive.

At least if I have to pay it in full right away. I might look into the upgrade program one of our bigger electronic retail chains introduced a while back.
 

Fliesen

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Oct 25, 2017
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S used to be bigger updates that just speed though. This seems like maybe the smallest S bump yet.

Well yes and no.

the 4S added Performance and Siri (and a slightly better camera)
the 5S added Performance and TouchID (and a slightly better camera)
the 6S added Performance and 3D touch, and live photos.
(cmiiw)

The XS adds performance and Smart HDR.

The bump in performance is less significant this time around, but i feel like we shouldn't underestimate the "computational photography" capabilities of the A12 chip.

For anyone coming from an iPhone 7, the upgrade is rather huge - i don't think anyone with an X should feel the need to upgrade (but that's something that i personally think was never really the case. Like, i wouldn't have upgraded from a 5 to a 5S, or from a 6 to a 6S either)
 

Mafro

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't thing the S bumps have been really that impressive other than the 6S because of the RAM being doubled to 2GB.
 

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I don't thing the S bumps have been really that impressive other than the 6S because of the RAM being doubled to 2GB.
Most previous ones have at least had some sort of feature added. 4S had Siri, 5S had TouchID, 6S had 3D Touch. This one is back to the 3GS spec only upgrade, except this time it's much less noticeable because we're getting well into the point of diminishing returns on the spec bumps for normal day to day use.
 

MrKlaw

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Oct 25, 2017
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is it just me or is this the most disappointing and lackluster iphone release in years

at least the new watch looks dope

Arguably the 8->XR is a big iphone release. The X last year (and XS this year) are premium products not mainstream. This is the first year the mainstream product line gets edge to edge and Face ID, and combined with a big range of colour options.
 

MrKlaw

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Oct 25, 2017
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Good. Cant update before december, but looks like I will be fine. Maybe gonna rock this time a 256er.

Thanks

256GB is $749. For $50 more you could get a 128GB XR. Just in case that storage amount is suitable for you.

Wonder if the limitation of 64/256 on the 8 is to partly encourage people to get the XR if they need a little more than 64?
 

Fliesen

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Oct 25, 2017
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Most previous ones have at least had some sort of feature added. 4S had Siri, 5S had TouchID, 6S had 3D Touch. This one is back to the 3GS spec only upgrade, except this time it's much less noticeable because we're getting well into the point of diminishing returns on the spec bumps for normal day to day use.
Smart HDR / Computational Photography. - iPhone X doesn't have it / nor is it getting it - cmiiw.
 

MrKlaw

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Smart HDR / Computational Photography. - iPhone X doesn't have it / nor is it getting it - cmiiw.

The computational photography - the bokeh stuff is bullshit software segmentation. X captures the data needed to do that change, and it doesn't need an ISP update because the photo app is doing it. Also third party apps can do the same (better).

The smart HDR may be in the ISP but seems a small update.
 

Fliesen

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Oct 25, 2017
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I was just replying to the fact that there is no "feature added" - by that logic, the 4S added no "feature" either since Siri was technically only locked away from the 4 via software and could be reintroduced by jailbreaking.
Same goes for Live photos on the iPhone 6.

Again, the argument that the bump from X -> XS isn't all that huge isn't false, it's just that people tend to be very revisionist with regards to how significant previous "S" upgrades were.
 

Fliesen

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Interesting. So not new for apple to restrict things artificially to create perceived value. Not a good look.

Well yes and no. Just because you can have certain things doesn't mean you should.

IIRC, the iPhone 4S had a better mic setup (to better separate voice from environmental noise) compared to the 4 and better hardware. Rolling out Siri on a device that has a harder time hearing and a worse processor (i.e. longer time to invoke Siri) would have been a worse experience.

Similarly, you could "hack" video recording into the iPhone 3G - but i think the video quality wasn't the best (cmiiw ...).
I'm not sure about the Live photo thing on the 6 - i mean there's apps that let you take little videos and then 'encode' them as live photos, but that's not the same thing as the camera constantly taking +/- 2seconds of video with every photo you take.

I think Apple's very eager to premiere new features on their most recent devices as to not premiere them at a sub-par quality / performance.

Like, i'm quite sure there's certain things they hold back to entice people to upgrade more often (perfect example: Colors. They held back gold for the XS, just like they held back rose gold for the 6S and black for the 7) - but sometimes they're right with restricting certain features on certain devices. It's just really hard to tell which restrictions are strategic and which are technical.

And with regards to "not a good look". Compared to the competing mobile OS, they're just cutting older phones off certain features, as opposed to not supporting certain devices entirely. Like, the iPhone X will get ... 2023's version of iOS, so ...
 

GAMEPROFF

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256GB is $749. For $50 more you could get a 128GB XR. Just in case that storage amount is suitable for you.

Wonder if the limitation of 64/256 on the 8 is to partly encourage people to get the XR if they need a little more than 64?
The phone contract will end up way higher and I really want to have to have a button, at least for the next four years^^
 

Mr. Wonderful

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Oct 27, 2017
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It's interesting. Apple's "Make devices last as long as possible" statement yesterday makes me wonder if the 5S, etc. will go on to get another software update for another year or two.

It also makes me wonder what sort of things they're doing to prevent things like touch disease, battery life decline, and other signs of wear and tear.

And if their revenue from services are going to be enough to offset the resulting accelerating lower hardware sales? I personally don't like Apple as a services company, but it seems like that's what they're going for.
 

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I doubt the 1 GB RAM devices (5s, 6/6+, Air 1, Mini 2/3) will be supported by iOS13 in 2019.

I'm actually not confident that the 6s/SE/Mini 4/Air 2/iPad 5 (2017) will be supported by iOS14 (2020) given that Apple has delisted [most of] those devices.
 

DekuBleep

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It's interesting. Apple's "Make devices last as long as possible" statement yesterday makes me wonder if the 5S, etc. will go on to get another software update for another year or two.

It also makes me wonder what sort of things they're doing to prevent things like touch disease, battery life decline, and other signs of wear and tear.

And if their revenue from services are going to be enough to offset the resulting accelerating lower hardware sales? I personally don't like Apple as a services company, but it seems like that's what they're going for.

I think they expect the people who upgrade every year or every two years to the latest thing to continue to do that....

... they are instead expanding the lower tier of people who would be happy with an older phone. They will be selling more recycled and refurbished older models to other customers.
 

Aiii

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Oct 24, 2017
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My 15 month old iPad Pro straight up died out of nowhere last Monday. Send it in, got a brand new one today at no cost. Gotta love EU consumer rights.
 

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I guess it depends what you use your phone for. Everything from camera apps to games to audio production apps that I use takes advantage of the X's massive CPU and GPU performance. Face ID is also fantastic and I'd never want to go back to Touch ID. Then there's TrueTone which makes everything so much more pleasant to look at, with less eye strain. I don't know how the RAM in the XS or XR stacks up to your 6S, but I imagine it's better and will hold for instance more Safari tabs in memory.

Also, I think it's clear that machine learning is something Apple is betting heavily on, so having an iPhone with a CoreML chip is going to be key going forwards.

I care about GarageBand performance on my iPad, but even my iPad has the same A9 my phone does and I've never had issues even with large projects. Likewise, since the move to 2GB of RAM, I've had pretty much no issues with Safari tabs or apps getting ejected from memory when I'm still using them. Touch ID and Face ID each have their pros and cons - I consider it a sidegrade.

Like, there are certainly a few upgrades in the XS, but I just can't say they're worth dropping a grand on to me personally. I mostly use my iPhone for Safari, texting, Twitter, email, the camera, and music, and the only place the XS provides a meaningfully better experience than the 6S is the camera. A few years ago, having a three year old phone usually meant even basic stuff had become slow as hell by now. The 6S is as old now as the iPhone 4 was when it got iOS 7, which ran like total shit.

I guess, really, I should be happy that older phones are now holding up so much better than they used to. But dammit, I like shiny new hardware, and I'd love to have a more compelling reason to upgrade.
 

Fliesen

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I care about GarageBand performance on my iPad, but even my iPad has the same A9 my phone does and I've never had issues even with large projects. Likewise, since the move to 2GB of RAM, I've had pretty much no issues with Safari tabs or apps getting ejected from memory when I'm still using them. Touch ID and Face ID each have their pros and cons - I consider it a sidegrade.

Like, there are certainly a few upgrades in the XS, but I just can't say they're worth dropping a grand on to me personally. I mostly use my iPhone for Safari, texting, Twitter, email, the camera, and music, and the only place the XS provides a meaningfully better experience than the 6S is the camera. A few years ago, having a three year old phone usually meant even basic stuff had become slow as hell by now. The 6S is as old now as the iPhone 4 was when it got iOS 7, which ran like total shit.

I guess, really, I should be happy that older phones are now holding up so much better than they used to. But dammit, I like shiny new hardware, and I'd love to have a more compelling reason to upgrade
.

Truth.
I'm in the same situation with my iPad Air (2013, Apple A7 chip! the one the iPhone 5S released with) - and it runs iOS 12 perfectly fine, which is crazy. So there's really no reason i could name that would warrant me upgrading - especially since the iPad is almost exclusively used for consuming video content, nowadays.

On the phone front, i have just accepted that i need a new toy every 2 years - need not as in "require" but rather in the
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kind of way

Which is a lot more justifyable on a 2 year cycle, than on a every-year one, imho.