Creative Director of Spider-Man PS4 Says It 'Would Not Exist if It Wasn't for PlayStation'

John Bender said:

My god... dude, some of you guys are still going with this crap?

'I'm so happy to see someone else having the same wrong thinking as me.'

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Early 2015 Sony and marvel sit down to secure bringing Spider-Man to the mcu....absolutely no other business discussions happened just strictly about the film rights for homecoming and civil war........work begins on a Spider-Man game exclusively for the ps4 and called marvels Spider-Man including characters from the marvel universe.....this is was completely not discussed at all between Sony and marvel in relation to what was happening with the film rights.....

Just wow.

What does it even matter if this deal was struck due to a multitude if reasons involving Spider-Man. Sony and marvel. We got an amazing gane out if it.

Sony nailed the formula for making 'blockbuster' experience for video games.

Sure there are plenty of good single player games no doubt, but they don't necessarily give you that same feeling.

I think that's what Marvel was looking for and that's why they came to them and not any other publisher.

FusedAtoms said:

No, just movies

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And games for now. See the most recent release of Spiderman and likely upcoming sequel. They can't make those if they don't control the rights...

DrDeckard said:

Early 2015 Sony and marvel sit down to secure bringing Spider-Man to the mcu....

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Spider-Man PS4 started development on October 2014.

The game deal between Marvel and Sony pre-dated the MCU deal by at least 6 months.

Mr.Deadshot said:

Imagine a Naughty Dog or Santa Monica Star Wars game. Just imagine ... :(

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Dude that would so amazing

Good to see Fragile Eagle doing well at Insomniac.

Nightengale said:

Spider-Man PS4 started development on October 2014.

The game deal between Marvel and Sony pre-dated the MCU deal by at least 6 months.

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Apologies the deal was signed off in February 2015 after negotiations broke down a little, so yes they will have started discussing prior to this.

Spider-man movies are worth more than 4 billion alone but people on this forum want to act like marvel and Sony made this entire decision for the gamers and for the fun of it.

Just a quick google search shows that negotiations for the Marvel deal started in october - https://variety.com/2015/film/news/details-spider-man-appear-in-sony-and-marvel-movies-1201429039/

This ties up perfectly with planning for a new Marvel Spider-Man game...hmmmm conspiracy theories!

What else is he supposed to say lol

DrDeckard said:

Early 2015 Sony and marvel sit down to secure bringing Spider-Man to the mcu....absolutely no other business discussions happened just strictly about the film rights for homecoming and civil war........work begins on a Spider-Man game exclusively for the ps4 and called marvels Spider-Man including characters from the marvel universe.....this is was completely not discussed at all between Sony and marvel in relation to what was happening with the film rights.....

Just wow.

What does it even matter if this deal was struck due to a multitude if reasons involving Spider-Man. Sony and marvel. We got an amazing gane out if it.

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Dude, you are repeating the same bullshit over and over again. Everybody know's you're wrong. Let me repeat myself again, too: Marvel Games, Sony, Insomniac Games and even Jstevenson here (!) confirmed time and time again: IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING MCU/MOVIES etc. 'Just wow' indeed. Now take your tinfoil hat off. It's long overdue.

DrDeckard said:

Apologies the deal was signed off in February 2015 after negotiations broke down a little, so yes they will have started discussing prior to this.

Spider-man movies are worth more than 4 billion alone but people on this forum want to act like marvel and Sony made this entire decision for the gamers and for the fun of it.

Just a quick google search shows that negotiations for the Marvel deal started in october - https://variety.com/2015/film/news/details-spider-man-appear-in-sony-and-marvel-movies-1201429039/

This ties up perfectly with planning for a new Marvel Spider-Man game...hmmmm conspiracy theories!

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Bet you believe the world is flat and tap water turns frogs gay right?

PositiveGamer said:

This game is a wake up call to the poisonous industry.

It is a Single Player AAAA game with no microtrasactions. It is on the way to become the highest selling game for Sony.

I don't want to hear anymore how games "need" microtransactions because gamers want them. I also no longer will hear how Single player games are dead.

I hope the industry is watching. Especially direct competition like MS.

Congrats to Sony and Insomniac.

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Sony, in general, is keeping the AAA dream alive and doing it by focusing on a premier single player experience not supported by microtransactions.

Spiderman, God of War, Bloodborne, Uncharted, Horizon. They've been great this gen.

DrDeckard said:

Apologies the deal was signed off in February 2015 after negotiations broke down a little, so yes they will have started discussing prior to this.

Spider-man movies are worth more than 4 billion alone but people on this forum want to act like marvel and Sony made this entire decision for the gamers and for the fun of it.

Just a quick google search shows that negotiations for the Marvel deal started in october - https://variety.com/2015/film/news/details-spider-man-appear-in-sony-and-marvel-movies-1201429039/

This ties up perfectly with planning for a new Marvel Spider-Man game...hmmmm conspiracy theories!

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None of that backs up or corroborates whatever you are trying to say because Sony Pictures and Sony Interactive Entertainment don't work together like you probably are thinking it does.

I mean who made the Spider-Man games beforehand? Who made the Ghostbusters games? I can tell you for free that it wasn't Sony.
Sony also publish all of the Resident Evil movies and the Final Fantasy movies. Are there deals going on with all of those too?

Yes conspiracy theories...

Braaier said:

And games for now. See the most recent release of Spiderman and likely upcoming sequel. They can't make those if they don't control the rights...

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Other developers can put Spider-Man in their game if they have approval from Marvel, not Sony, granted marvel would say no to any single player action adventure game with Spider-man as the main character because they want Insomniac and PlayStation making those games . But that doesnt mean spider-man won't appear in the Crystal Dynamics avengers game or other marvel projects

Cantaim said:

I don't even think insomniac games made Spider-Man. My gut tells me that when Sony pictures and Marvel pictures made the MCU deal. Marvel got Sony Pictures to create their own Spider-Man game to increase brand awareness. But with the stipulation that they couldn't say it was them. So Sony pictures tricked insomniac into twiddling their thumbs for years pretending to make a game. So Sony pictures could make it with no eyes on them.

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You sir just blew the lid off of this entire cover up. You've earned the coveted "J. Jonah Jameson Award for Excellence in Blind Conviction."

Jaypah said:

I'll admit when I first heard that Marvel just went to Sony and said let's do an exclusive super hero game it sounded mad weird. Still does lol. But I don't think they're lying.

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Sony has the cache for it though. I wouldn't be surprised if that big new studio MS has built for example isn't making a different Marvel game right now.

Mr.Deadshot said:

Imagine a Naughty Dog or Santa Monica Star Wars game. Just imagine ... :(

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I'd like to imagine them making new IPs instead, far more interesting.

Ok, nothing to do with any other Sony and marvel business at all.

Why does it upset you all if it did? does it change the game or how good it is?

In fact forget it :)

Some of you probably just need to let it go at this point. Some people have convinced themselves that this is a result of the movie deal and from the looks of it are showing no signs of ever changing their minds no matter what proof is put in front of them.

John Bender said:

Dude, you are repeating the same bullshit over and over again. Everybody know's you're wrong. Let me repeat myself again, too: Marvel Games, Sony, Insomniac Games and even Jstevenson here (!) confirmed time and time again: IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING MCU/MOVIES etc. 'Just wow' indeed. Now take your tinfoil hat off. It's long overdue.

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I can't see who you all are getting so upset about, but I will say the ignore feature works pretty well :).

Sense said:

Some of you probably just need to let it go at this point. Some people have convinced themselves that this is a result of the movie deal and from the looks of it are showing no signs of ever changing their minds no matter what proof is put in front of them.

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Pushing back on blatant untruths is the responsibility of any rational person. I'm just advising people not to get upset in the process.

DrDeckard said:

Ok, nothing to do with any other Sony and marvel business at all.

Why does it upset you all if it did? does it change the game or how good it is?

In fact forget it :)

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Because it's like every nut job conspiracy theorist. You show them proof and they go "no I know better. I figured out something, an all the rest of you are fooled. I wasn't part of anything but I'll ignore people who were privy to the information and make up my own "facts" and everyone must know my side".

Basically stupidity that the rest of us have to deal with nonstop. Just look at this thread for an example.

FusedAtoms said:

Other developers can put Spider-Man in their game if they have approval from Marvel, not Sony, granted marvel would say no to any single player action adventure game with Spider-man as the main character because they want Insomniac and PlayStation making those games . But that doesnt mean spider-man won't appear in the Crystal Dynamics avengers game or other marvel projects

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But Sony DOES have the rights, even if they are limited. The rights were granted for this game, and probably a future game

Wait, Insomniac made a Spider-Man game???

In all seriousness, with all the false sense of entitlement that gamers have these days, there going to be a day when studios just shut themselves off, make their games, and put them out. Why open yourselves up when nobody takes you at your word anyway? First nobody believed them regarding "Puddlegate" and now this.

They were just trying to be nice and say how grateful they were to Sony for the support while they made the game, but everybody has to blow everything out of proportion.

Braaier said:

But Sony DOES have the rights, even if they are limited. The rights were granted for this game, and probably a future game

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Columbia Pictures, which is part of the Sony Pictures Motion Picture Group, owns film rights to Spider-Man. Anything else as far as comics, video games, TV shows, toys, etc., belongs to Marvel's parent company, Disney. Marvel didn't have to go to Sony Interactive Entertainment about partnership to do a Spider-Man video game. They didn't even approach them about Spider-Man. They just wanted them to do a AAA Marvel video game.

Sony having an exclusive Spider-Man video game has absolutely nothing to do with Sony owning film rights to Spider-Man.

J-Skee said:

Columbia Pictures, which is part of the Sony Pictures Motion Picture Group, owns film rights to Spider-Man. Anything else as far as comics, video games, TV shows, toys, etc., belongs to Marvel's parent company, Disney. Marvel didn't have to go to Sony Interactive Entertainment about partnership to do a Spider-Man video game. They didn't even approach them about Spider-Man. They just wanted them to do a AAA Marvel video game.

Sony having an exclusive Spider-Man video game has absolutely nothing to do with Sony owning film rights to Spider-Man.

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This is the part that gets glossed over. They had thousands of characters to choose from and they chose Spider-Man.

Imagine if MS had this philosophy a few years ago with games like Scalebound, instead of constantly meddling and butting heads with developers.

DrDeckard said:

Ok, nothing to do with any other Sony and marvel business at all.

Why does it upset you all if it did? does it change the game or how good it is?

In fact forget it :)

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It wouldn't matter if it was, but hearing your asinine stream of consciousness conspiracy diarrhea on repeat is bothersome. People get annoyed not because you are ignoring facts and clinging to a stupid theory, but because you feel compelled to share that stupid theory over and over. Believe what you want, but believe it privately or expect people to get tired of it.

Clusterdreams said:

Imagine if MS had this philosophy a few years ago with games like Scalebound, instead of constantly meddling and butting heads with developers.

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Scalebound was an unknown quantity from a studio that makes mixed quality games. Of course MS would want to butt their heads in to oversee things. Not saying it was a good plan. Spiderman is a no brainer, especially for a studio like Insomniac.

Lukemia SL said:

They had thousands of characters to choose from and they chose Spider-Man.

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And they probably chose him for a variety of reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with film rights:

- He's the most popular and most lucrative comic book character by a really, really large margin, with a pretty vast appeal
- The character has a power set and universe that makes for interesting game play that matches the current vogue in game design
- It also has a history of game entries, some of which were very beloved
- The studio had experience with similarly traversal-focused games before

It's a pretty logical decision. If you have access to Marvel's entire roster, you do Spider-man. If you can't do Spidey, next one would most probably be Iron Man.

Raide said:

Scalebound was an unknown quantity from a studio that makes mixed quality games. Of course MS would want to butt their heads in to oversee things. Not saying it was a good plan. Spiderman is a no brainer, especially for a studio like Insomniac.

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Mixed quality? Platinums games are almost universally praised, even the ones I don't like.

J-Skee said:

Columbia Pictures, which is part of the Sony Pictures Motion Picture Group, owns film rights to Spider-Man. Anything else as far as comics, video games, TV shows, toys, etc., belongs to Marvel's parent company, Disney. Marvel didn't have to go to Sony Interactive Entertainment about partnership to do a Spider-Man video game. They didn't even approach them about Spider-Man. They just wanted them to do a AAA Marvel video game.

Sony having an exclusive Spider-Man video game has absolutely nothing to do with Sony owning film rights to Spider-Man.

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I said video game rights, not movie rights

Braaier said:

I said video game rights, not movie rights

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I don't think Sony has gaming rights to Spider-Man in the traditional sense. I don't think anyone else would touch Insomniac's version of Spider-Man, but anyone else can still use the Spider-Man IP for whatever purpose they want. I'm sure Marvel would discourage anyone else to try & make a AAA Spider-Man game, but he's not completely unusable either. I don't think we have details about that particular deal, but I'm sure that's the case.

Miniature Kaiju said:

And they probably chose him for a variety of reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with film rights:

- He's the most popular and most lucrative comic book character by a really, really large margin, with a pretty vast appeal
- The character has a power set and universe that makes for interesting game play that matches the current vogue in game design
- It also has a history of game entries, some of which were very beloved
- The studio had experience with similarly traversal-focused games before

It's a pretty logical decision. If you have access to Marvel's entire roster, you do Spider-man. If you can't do Spidey, next one would most probably be Iron Man.

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This is all good factors in their decision making. Plus Marvel will only work with studios who have their heart in it and aren't just doing it to make a quick buck or because their publisher bosses said so.
Within 30secs Marvel knew Insomniac were in it for the character and the quality they can bring to the game so it came to the right team at the time. Marvel also said they were 10mins away from both Sony and Insomniac so they had all the help they needed.

J-Skee said:

I don't think Sony has gaming rights to Spider-Man in the traditional sense. I don't think anyone else would touch Insomniac's version of Spider-Man, but anyone else can still use the Spider-Man IP for whatever purpose they want. I'm sure Marvel would discourage anyone else to try & make a AAA Spider-Man game, but he's not completely unusable either. I don't think we have details about that particular deal, but I'm sure that's the case.

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We have the details. Spider-Man can appear in crossover games like the Avengers game Crystal Dynamics are making. But, they cannot make a solo Spider-Man game that rests only with Sony and Insomniac.
Other characters from Marvel outside of Spider-Man mainstays like Iron Man and Black Panther or Thor appearing in a Spider-Man game has not been ruled out either.

Lukemia SL said:

We have the details. Spider-Man can appear in crossover games like the Avengers game Crystal Dynamics are making. But, they cannot make a solo Spider-Man game that rests only with Sony and Insomniac.
Other characters from Marvel outside of Spider-Man mainstays like Iron Man and Black Panther or Thor appearing in a Spider-Man game has not been ruled out either.

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Oh, okay. That's pretty much what I guessed. I really want some Fantastic Four stuff for the sequel. There's a lot of history between Spider-Man & the Fantastic Four that would be great to pull from.

Clusterdreams said:

Mixed quality? Platinums games are almost universally praised, even the ones I don't like.

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For every Bayonetta, you get a Starfox or Anarchy Reigns. Scalebound could have been the highest of highs, or the lowest. Still wanted to see what it would end up like but that's drifting OT.

J-Skee said:

Oh, okay. That's pretty much what I guessed. I really want some Fantastic Four stuff for the sequel. There's a lot of history between Spider-Man & the Fantastic Four that would be great to pull from.

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Me too, I want a lot of crossovers just to see these characters in good hands.
I hope no one complains about crossover characters in solo games like they did with the trailers of Homecoming with Iron Man in them.

Nemesis162 said:

Now, let's not say that when Activision published many good games like Spider-Man 2, Spider-man Shattered Dimensions, Ultimate Spider-man and many others. People talk badly about the time the franchise was with them but there was many good pieces in there (not that there wasn't bad and mediocre games as well)

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I'm talking about Activision in 2018 and also just used them as an example of 'big 3rd party publisher'. Feel free to replace them with EA, Ubisoft, anyone else.

Raide said:

For every Bayonetta, you get a Starfox or Anarchy Reigns. Scalebound could have been the highest of highs, or the lowest. Still wanted to see what it would end up like but that's drifting OT.

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And Insomniac had made Fuse. You have to trust the team's talent to know what they're doing (especially when you've got a legend like Kamiya behind it), if you don't then why are you even bothering to fund the game in the first place? That creative freedom is one of the main reasons why Sony WWS has been so successful this gen.

Was this confirmed in the interview or just people reading more into it?

Chaos2Frozen said:

Was this confirmed in the interview or just people reading more into it?

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Ugh they too think this is because of the movie deal.

Anyway to answer, yes the Marvel Gaming Universe has been known about before the games release. All of this was said as much by Jay Ong when asked about crossovers within the Marvel Universe.
That along with the places like the Avengers Tower, Sanctum Sanctorum, Wakanda Embassy and Alias Investigation buildings being seen in the game.

LiquidSolid said:

And Insomniac had made Fuse. You have to trust the team's talent to know what they're doing (especially when you've got a legend like Kamiya behind it), if you don't then why are you even bothering to fund the game in the first place? That creative freedom is one of the main reasons why Sony WWS has been so successful this gen.

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I was shocked to learn they made Fuse.

In my mind I just assumed they were first party. And thought wtf when Sunset Overdrive was XBO exclusive, lol.

Lukemia SL said:

Ugh they too think this is because of the movie deal.

Anyway to answer, yes the Marvel Gaming Universe has been known about before the games release. All of this was said as much by Jay Ong when asked about crossovers within the Marvel Universe.
That along with the places like the Avengers Tower, Sanctum Sanctorum, Wakanda Embassy and Alias Investigation buildings being seen in the game.

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Don't take it to heart, these are the guys that think Monster Hunter is the Dark Souls of Jurassic Park.

I know about the Easter eggs in the game but I didn't think they would outright confirm a gaming universe. I would thought this would be the bigger news lol.

Chaos2Frozen said:

Don't take it to heart, these are the guys that think Monster Hunter is the Dark Souls of Jurassic Park.

I know about the Easter eggs in the game but I didn't think they would outright confirm a gaming universe. I would thought this would be the bigger news lol.

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Haha what really? I'm more annoyed with the reach of that thought of people thinking that the deal was because of the movie deal, I hadn't paid too much attention and thought it was mostly among forum dwellers.

Yeah it's all confirmed, they seem to have carte blanche. Plus the Avengers game can use Spider-Man too if you didn't know already.

John Bender said:

Dude, you are repeating the same bullshit over and over again. Everybody know's you're wrong. Let me repeat myself again, too: Marvel Games, Sony, Insomniac Games and even Jstevenson here (!) confirmed time and time again: IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING MCU/MOVIES etc. 'Just wow' indeed. Now take your tinfoil hat off. It's long overdue.

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you can't reason with someone who thinks Blade Runner is good

wenis said:

Intihar certainly has come a long way. I remember grabbing food at Lee's deli as we chopped it up about I think it was GTA or whatever was out in 2007/08 while he was still at 1Up. Cool dude. Well earned success for the team.

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Fragile Eagle has come a long way. I am very proud of him.

Yeah it was definitely a weird licensing situation but I'm glad they worked it out and now everyone has lots of money and is happy.

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I wanna see more Marvel/Sony/Insomniac partnerships.

Black Panther, Thor, and Captain America game, DO IT!

Anyone else kinda hoping that future marvel games in insomniacs spiderman world are playstation exclusive?

Id hate for say an iron man game to be announced and set in that world bit given to a third party dev who doesnt give a shit like insomniac did and only sees money.

id rather future games connected to insomniacs spiderman be exclusive to maintain that quality control under Sony.

The quality control is the reason this game was the first game to get marvels stamp of approval.

you can still.have multiplat marvel games like Avengers by square that arent connected to insomniacs spiderman(As far as we know)

FIREKNIGHT2029 said:

I wanna see more Marvel/Sony/Insomniac partnerships.

Black Panther, Thor, and Captain America game, DO IT!

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This I don't want to see. I'm all for more Marvel-based games, but not for them to be exclusive to a specific platform. Nope, not with that at all. The Marvel universe is diverse and vast, I'd feel it be a crime for these games to be on just one platform. Hell, look at Batman Arkham. It did amazingly good and it was MULTIPLATFORM. I'm not one to call people out but I think some of you are being a bit biased here.

shadowhaxor said:

This I don't want to see. I'm all for more Marvel-based games, but not for them to be exclusive to a specific platform. Nope, not with that at all.

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If we continue to get quality games like Marvel's Spider-Man i'm okay with whatever deals are made.

Betty said:

If we continue to get quality games like Marvel's Spider-Man i'm okay with whatever deals are made.

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We still got that Avengers game that Crystal Dynamics and Square Enix are working on. Hoping it's good.