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Drek

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Oct 27, 2017
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The game exists because Marvel/Disney recognize that a Sony is the undisputed best in the industry at delivering single player games that blend narrative and gameplay. This consistency transcends their 1st party studios to include their external partners because, as Inthar was quoted here and as we've seen with Bloodborne, Sony puts trust in the creative team, internal or not.

While this was obviously in the pipe before Horizon or God of War Sony's relationship with Insomniac and their ability produce gamesmanship like Bloodborne, The Last of Us, Infamous, and Uncharted clearly paved the way. The success of those titles and this just drive home the point - Sony is second to none in the AAA single player space and even potential partners outside the industry recognize it.

GG 3rd party pubs, you got obsessed with micro transactions and online communities to the point where many new releases struggle to sustain a player base much beyond launch and customers compare your practices to gambling. Meanwhile Sony's capturing software share like Nintendo, the other "bane" of third party existence for taking care of the games too well for third party comfort.
 

BrickArts295

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Oct 26, 2017
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After the success that is spider man, what are the chances sony acquires insommniac? I know it's said insommniac wants to remain independentf and maybe sony doesn't want to acquire any more studios either (like quantic dream or kojima's studio). Anyone in the know here?
Insomniac has said time and time again that they want to stay independent. As for Sony, I believe the ship has sailed when it comes to them buying established studios. It feels like they rather do partnerships like with SpiderMan or Death Stranding.
 

Cess007

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Oct 27, 2017
14,117
B.C., Mexico
After the success that is spider man, what are the chances sony acquires insommniac? I know it's said insommniac wants to remain independentf and maybe sony doesn't want to acquire any more studios either (like quantic dream or kojima's studio). Anyone in the know here?

I would say they're more than happy with the relationship. Insomniac remains independent and free to do whatever they want, and Sony has a studio that it's more than welcome to work with whomever they want, but still loves to work with them most of the time.
 
Nov 30, 2017
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I dont think any of us really know. It would also surprise me to see j Steve pop in with info like that.

Also, Insomniac has been established for so long and they seem to have great relationships with Sony and others within the industry. It's all business.

They are definitely a studio that doesnt need to be bought by anyone from the looks of it.

Also, Sony has several high quality 1st party studios to put content on their systems.

Obviously I'm not in the industry but it seems to be cheaper to acquire talent and smaller studios and build rather than try and purchase a behemoth like insomniac.

If they need their services they are a phone call away. It happened with Spider-Man and most everyone who bought the game is happy for that fact.
 

WastemanLoso

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Apr 16, 2018
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D.C
Greg Miller asked Bryan Intihar why they did not include the future foundation suit:

Bryan said: ''Did the Disney - FOX deal go through yet?''

Guess he could be joking. I mean the Baxter building is not in the game either.

It's said that while Marvel don't wanna admit it, they don't want any Fantastic Four/X-MEN in front because they don't own the movie rights.
 
Oct 25, 2017
11,953
Houston
But marvel approached Sony with the opportunity.

Source for Sony funding? It's plastered as marvels Spider-Man everywhere?
Basically Marvel goes to Sony says do you have a studio to do X, Sony has all studios busy but have a Insomniac relationship and finishing a game ask them along with which IP they wanted that's not full blown Avengers (Square's game)

Successful game increases merch buys and/or movie sales
 

potatohead

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
3,889
Earthbound
Can someone count for me how many times people said the movie rights means they also have the game rights.

I mean it's not an incredible thing to be confused about, but just for posterity to show that it has been a common assumption

And I would postulate that it is these kinds of assumptions generally in other topics, not just this, that lead to knee jerk but possibly incorrect assertions and further assumptions

Good case study tbh
 

Iwao

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Oct 25, 2017
11,800
Source that it's not?
Marvel Games press releases.

Multiple interviews from Marvel Games and Insomniac Games heads.

jstevenson himself.

You're intentionally obtuse and difficult in every single Spider-Man thread, when time and time again it's been proven that others know better than you do, and articulate it with good examples.
 

LiquidSolid

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Oct 26, 2017
4,731
Spiderman is one of the worlds most popular fiction characters. Big studios would be forming a line to publish Spiderman,
Why didn't they then? Why didn't Activision make a proper AAA Spider-Man game instead of all those mid-tier games that didn't sell well? Why didn't other publishers license Spider-man in the period between Activision's deal expiring and the Sony/Insomniac/Marvel deal starting? It's not like that deal was made immediately after Activision's deal expired.

In reality, I doubt any publishers wanted it. All they had to go on to determine how well Spider-Man would sell is the Activision games and those had been selling poorly for years.
 

Vroadstar

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Oct 29, 2017
253
Yeah, but maybe Sony didn't tell you! Have you considered that? /s

Thanks for clarifying man. I am still baffled that it being keeps repeated so much when you guys have been super clear with all this

Don't be, just have to recognized the posters and their post history that's repeating the same conspiracy theories and you will know why.
 

DrDeckard

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
8,109
UK
The reason rhymes with Shmaptin Shmamerica: Shmival Shmar

I'm so happy to see someone has a level head way of thinking here. You only have to look at the dates to see it but some people just want to believe everything that's fed to them. These stories from all parties will be true to an extent but there will also be deeper negotiated deals in place from people we may never even see in the press.
 

OldMuffin

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Nov 1, 2017
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Hope more ip holders go to Sony to make more good adaptations. Drop the whole console war thing for a moment. As a games publisher, Sony in the last few years has put out some amazing games without having to chase after the games as a service unicorn. Hope they keep it up, and I hope other publishers follow suit (EA I'm looking at you with Star Wars).
 

Deleted member 11995

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Oct 27, 2017
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This game is a wake up call to the poisonous industry.

It is a Single Player AAAA game with no microtrasactions. It is on the way to become the highest selling game for Sony.

I don't want to hear anymore how games "need" microtransactions because gamers want them. I also no longer will hear how Single player games are dead.

While I do think there's a little bit more nuance to the whole GAAS, micro-transactions situation than this poster, I find it hard to argue with these words. Especially since we're on, what, the sixth or seventh brilliant single-player blockbuster first-party title on PlayStation this gen? With another four lined up for release in the next couple of years?

The audience who will make a success of these titles are clearly out here, and we will continue to make successes of these titles. Money talks louder than anything else, but hopefully that message has been heard loud and clear.
 

LiquidSolid

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Oct 26, 2017
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Marvel went to Sony cause Sony has the Spider-Man rights. It's that simple. It's not a movie deal it's a media deal.
Where is the evidence to support any of this?

These conspiracy theories are one step away from puddlegate on the dumb scale. Even ignoring that you're implying everyone from Insomniac, Sony and Marvel are lying and hiding this grand conspiracy (as if it's something they'd cover up), you really think Sony Pictures, the division that released Q*bert on XB1 just a couple years ago, went out of their way during what I'm sure were already very complicated negotiations, just to add an exclusive PS4 game to the mix and help PlayStation? Why the fuck would Sony Pictures care? And why would PlayStation need them to do that when Activision's Spider-Man license expired in late 2013 and they could've easily just gone straight to Marvel and licensed it themselves? What next, you think Sony's Disney Infinity marketing deal, Battlefront marketing deal and the console exclusivity of those Lucasarts remasters were part of that deal too?
 

Magoo

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Oct 28, 2017
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UK
Another hole in the conspiracy theories is if them owning the film rights to Spider-Man makes it an exclusive game, why aren't the other films they own that get games exclusive too.
 

OléGunner

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah I think Brian is just tryna say Sony did a lot of heavy lifting with back end support (which is top quality with their WWS pipeline) and obviously stuff like marketing.
Of course Insomniac would be delighted with that support and freedom as mentioned.

I'm just glad we got a superb Spidey game out of all the collaborative efforts!
 

Wololo

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Nov 20, 2017
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Why didn't they then? Why didn't Activision make a proper AAA Spider-Man game instead of all those mid-tier games that didn't sell well? Why didn't other publishers license Spider-man in the period between Activision's deal expiring and the Sony/Insomniac/Marvel deal starting? It's not like that deal was made immediately after Activision's deal expired.

In reality, I doubt any publishers wanted it. All they had to go on to determine how well Spider-Man would sell is the Activision games and those had been selling poorly for years.

i find it funny how no one replied to your comment yet because everyone knows its true. if this game was third party it wouldnt be getting the same praise It is now. The amount of care and dedication sony puts into its 1st party titles is why spiderman is an exclusive. And will be for the forseeable future. Activision just didnt give a.crap they didnt even try and keep the video game rights they just gave up.
 

Saint-14

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Nov 2, 2017
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I'm so happy to see someone has a level head way of thinking here. You only have to look at the dates to see it but some people just want to believe everything that's fed to them. These stories from all parties will be true to an extent but there will also be deeper negotiated deals in place from people we may never even see in the press.
"They are lying, they gotta be lying"
 

Lukemia SL

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Jan 30, 2018
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The reason rhymes with Shmaptin Shmamerica: Shmival Shmar

I'm so happy to see someone has a level head way of thinking here. You only have to look at the dates to see it but some people just want to believe everything that's fed to them. These stories from all parties will be true to an extent but there will also be deeper negotiated deals in place from people we may never even see in the press.

Marvel went to Sony cause Sony has the Spider-Man rights. It's that simple. It's not a movie deal it's a media deal.

Can you all please stop there's many forms of proof in this thread proving you wrong and you're all ignoring it.

You guys look silly.
 

BrassDragon

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Oct 26, 2017
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The Netherlands
I don't care about publishers or console wars... but if amazingly polished, big budget and no monetisation BS single-player experiences mostly happen on Sony's console and under Sony's watch, then that's where I'll play my games.
 

VaanXSnake

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Jul 18, 2018
2,099
isn't the same thing was said for Tomb Raider and Microsoft at the time ? and here we are, with a new TR multipltform game without any help from anyone.

Spiderman is huge, it doesn't need Sony to perform well but Marvel/Disney/whoever made the call was right, Sony is the best manufacturer/publisher to release big AAA like this.
 

OG_Thrills

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Oct 27, 2017
4,655
So it's common knowledge Sony funded this game because I can't find any source confirming it?

I'd love to be marvel on this exchange haha

Marvel approaches Sony.

We want you to make a game and pay for it's development and then give us x amount for the privilege. They are a beast

I don't think you understand how licensing works, the value (and broader value) of an IP such as SM being exclusive to Playstation, or how lucrative this endeavor has been.

Truth be told, I think Disney/Marvel is in the process of opening up Marvel IP to whatever type of exclusivity deal they choose.
 

Braaier

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Oct 29, 2017
13,237
Marvel Games press releases.

Multiple interviews from Marvel Games and Insomniac Games heads.

jstevenson himself.

You're intentionally obtuse and difficult in every single Spider-Man thread, when time and time again it's been proven that others know better than you do, and articulate it with good examples.
Read the thread. I'm not the one that brought it up. There are a bunch of ppl saying the same thing. I merely asked for a source. No need to get heated
 

John Bender

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Oct 27, 2017
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Marvel went to Sony cause Sony has the Spider-Man rights. It's that simple. It's not a movie deal it's a media deal.
My god... dude, some of you guys are still going with this crap?
The reason rhymes with Shmaptin Shmamerica: Shmival Shmar
I'm so happy to see someone has a level head way of thinking here. You only have to look at the dates to see it but some people just want to believe everything that's fed to them. These stories from all parties will be true to an extent but there will also be deeper negotiated deals in place from people we may never even see in the press.
'I'm so happy to see someone else having the same wrong thinking as me.'
 

Deleted member 7051

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Oct 25, 2017
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Guess he could be joking. I mean the Baxter building is not in the game either.

Maybe that's for the best, though? We already have the Sanctum, Avengers Tower, Oscorp etc. If you put a building in New York for every superhero or team or organisation that lives there you wouldn't have any room for anything else.
 

amoy

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Oct 28, 2017
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Sweet baby jeezus.

Feel bad for Insomniac and JStevenson for having to humor this kind of crap.
 

Steroyd

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Oct 27, 2017
691
Isn't Sony owner of Spiderman regarding rights for movies and games?

No, just the movies, in the same way FOX only own the movie rights to X-Men and Fantastic 4, it's why Marvel have been trying to squeeze out all none movie properties of the aforementioned from the human consciousness since their success of the MCU, which is why we don't see X men games, heck we don't even see X-Men in games *cough* Marvel Versus Capcom Infinite *cough*
 

Nightengale

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Oct 26, 2017
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Here's the thing about the 'movie deal' conspiracy theory.

Just like how Sony and Marvel publicly announced that they made a deal to feature Spidey as part of MCU while Sony still retains rights to make Spidey-related stuff on their own, if it was true that a game-deal was signed alongside the movie deal, it's not like that is somehow makes it evil and unacceptable.

There's no rational reason whatsoever - if it was a movie-related deal, to instead deny vehemently that it's not related to the movies.
 

cid_drpg

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Apr 28, 2018
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It´s surprising how Marvel seems not to care about videogame while their strategy for cinema is working so well.
 

Lukemia SL

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Jan 30, 2018
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Here's the thing about the 'movie deal' conspiracy theory.

Just like how Sony and Marvel publicly announced that they made a deal to feature Spidey as part of MCU while Sony still retains rights to make Spidey-related stuff on their own, if it was true that a game-deal was signed alongside the movie deal, it's not like that is somehow makes it evil and unacceptable.

There's no rational reason whatsoever - if it was a movie-related deal, to instead deny vehemently that it's not related to the movies.

I don't think anyone correcting the movie deal conspiracy peeps would have a problem saying it was because of the movie deal if it had happened that way.
They just come in here stating it as a matter of fact and some have tried to belittle others for believing what JStevenson and Ted Price have said.
There are some who ask whether it was because of the movie deal and they are more accepting when shown proof as to how it came about.

I have posted proof of how the deal came about and proof that Sony, Capcom and Square-Enix are funding these games when asked for proof yet they refuse to believe.
I can do nothing more than that.

Wow. Everything to Playstation.
Buy P$4 please.

Then there's this silliness