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Sandfox

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Oct 25, 2017
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Square Enix is never going to sell an FF collection because they want the money from selling them individually.
 

LegendofLex

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AC is a series with a Ceiling similar to 3d Mario ( I love 3d Mario) I just don't see them breaking their Ceiling.
There's virtually no chance that Odyssey doesn't easily surpass Galaxy's sales. It took Galaxy a few years to get to where Odyssey's sales are now, and Odyssey's tail sales are much better so far.

This website said the original is 9 million.
This includes sales of the game on other platforms besides NES, though.
 

Dark Cloud

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I mean, it's selling a quarter million every 3 months, and should easily do that or more in Q4. By December's end alone, it should be at or above 8 million at the least, which will already put it above every Zelda except maybe BOTW and Twilight Princess.

It's kind of disingenuous to assume that something that has been so evergreen so far is just going to fall off and stop selling. We only have 1 year's worth of data on it as well vs lifetime for everything else.

Also, the highest a 2D Zelda has hit has been 6.51 million, and none of the others have even come close.
You need to back up a little bit. I said Mario,
kart, Smash, Pokémon, AC all belong in one category because they hit 10+ million. 3D Zelda is there now.

I had misread 2D Zelda numbers. Splatoon isn't with those others until it hits 10+ million for me. I still put Splatoon below them until it gets there.
 

Momo

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The wind blows hard in.... September?

This post contains an enormous amount of hype.

C'mon Elma!
 

Deleted member 40604

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Did anyone say it's not big?

It's not on the level of Mario, Kart, Smash, Animal Crossing. It's not even on Luigi's Mansion. Just because it saved itself doesn't make it huge.

I dunno man, Awakening alone sold over 2 million copies world wide which most JRPG makers would kill for. I think the problem is you're trying to compare a strategy RPG which is a niche genre, to stuff that appeals to a wider audience. But within the JRPG community Fire Emblem is pretty big, and it sells extremely well for what it is. I mean even comparing it to every game that hits the market these days it still sells better than 90% of games out there.

That's like trying to argue that because MHW sold 10 million units SFV isn't "big" because it hasn't even broken 3 million. Not every game needs to pass some mythical 10 million sale threshold to justify being a relevant.
 
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You need to back up a little bit. I said Mario,
kart, Smash, Pokémon, AC all belong in one category because they hit 10+ million. 3D Zelda is there now.

I had misread 2D Zelda numbers. Splatoon isn't with those others until it hits 10+ million for me. I still put Splatoon below them until it gets there.

I was just engaging in a healthy debate :)


Reaching 10 million is inevitable, so I just kind of lump it in there with the others. I can see why you don't, different ways of viewing things.

For me, personally, Pokemon, 2D Mario, and Mario Kart are their own tier, followed by Smash, Animal Crossing, 3D Mario, 3D Zelda, and Splatoon. I'm curious to see if Smash will make the transition up with the upcoming game.
 

LegendofLex

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I dunno man, Awakening alone sold over 2 million copies world wide which most JRPG makers would kill for. I think the problem is you're trying to compare a strategy RPG which is a niche genre, to stuff that appeals to a wider audience. But within the JRPG community Fire Emblem is pretty big, and it sells extremely well for what it is. I mean even comparing it every game that hits the market these days it still sells better than 90% of games out there.

That's like trying to argue that because MHW sold 10 million units SFV isn't "big" because it hasn't even broken 3 million. Not every game needs to pass some mythical 10 million sale threshold to justify being a relevant.
When people say "big" wrt Nintendo, they mean games that sell enough to move tons of hardware units. They aren't saying that other games aren't also big for their respective genres.
 

Mory Dunz

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For me, personally, Pokemon, 2D Mario, and Mario Kart are their own tier, followed by Smash, Animal Crossing, 3D Mario, 3D Zelda, and Splatoon. I'm curious to see if Smash will make the transition up with the upcoming game.

this is generally how I see it divided as well.

yeah, the big questions are if Smash can go into that top tier.
Another lesser mentioned questioned is if Donkey Kong can reenter that 2nd tier. TF Port is doing well. DK just needs a new brand new game to see where the IP really is at. Can a new 2D DKC sell more towards 5m or 10m?
 

Dark Cloud

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I was just engaging in a healthy debate :)


Reaching 10 million is inevitable, so I just kind of lump it in there with the others. I can see why you don't, different ways of viewing things.

For me, personally, Pokemon, 2D Mario, and Mario Kart are their own tier, followed by Smash, Animal Crossing, 3D Mario, 3D Zelda, and Splatoon. I'm curious to see if Smash will make the transition up with the upcoming game.
That's fine. I misread the 2D Zelda numbers and it screwed me up lol.

See I fully expect Smash to sell around 20 million. So I expect it to join that very top tier list.
 

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I was just engaging in a healthy debate :)


Reaching 10 million is inevitable, so I just kind of lump it in there with the others. I can see why you don't, different ways of viewing things.

For me, personally, Pokemon, 2D Mario, and Mario Kart are their own tier, followed by Smash, Animal Crossing, 3D Mario, 3D Zelda, and Splatoon. I'm curious to see if Smash will make the transition up with the upcoming game.

Does this mean WiiSports is S+ tier?
 

Zebei

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Hoping that, after 30 years, we finally get the reveal for Pikmin 4.

This Garden of Hope will certainly wither and die.
 

Chalfonts

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Prediction time

  • 2019 first party stuff
  • NSMB and and another, better received wii u port
  • A strong showing from western third parties with some genuine enthusiasm and a varied lineup from the likes of take 2
  • Absolutely fucking terrible support from japanese third parties like squarenix/capcom/sega/namco as has been the case for the past year and a half
 
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Nashville
Actually that'll be cool. You get a choice if you want to leave the planet for the night or stay, while staying can get you extra things and progress farther, it's also brings out more difficult enemies. Wouldn't be shocked if that's Pikmin 4's main thing.
 

Deleted member 2791

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Prediction time

  • 2019 first party stuff
  • NSMB and and another, better received wii u port
  • A strong showing from western third parties with some genuine enthusiasm and a varied lineup from the likes of take 2
  • Absolutely fucking terrible support from japanese third parties like squarenix/capcom/sega/namco as has been the case for the past year and a half

???
 

Deleted member 17630

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If you guys think they're gonna announce anything major 2-3mo before Smash Bros comes out, you're insane. Nintendo won't risk .0001% of hype being distracted from SSB for anything.
 

Geg

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When talking about the strength of IPs/franchises, why separate Mario from Mario Kart exactly? I would count Mario Kart under the umbrella of Mario