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Better Call Saul - Season 4 - Mondays on AMC
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Saying Kim was incredibly influential is accurate; she's arguably the most important person in Jimmy's life throughout his entire development next to Chuck. So of course her actions will influence Jimmy.
But the way you are framing that P-Switch is pretty "yikes" as they say.
- Yes Kim helped Jimmy become a lawyer, providing support, knowledge and giving him a reason to achieve. Calling that a "seduction" is really suspect lol
- Yes, Jimmy broke the law "for her"... that was Jimmy's choice and Kim never asked for the help.
- "Threatend Jimmy with therapy"? She's incredibly concerned for the mental well being of her partner for very good reason. He's shrugging off the death of his brother, who possibly killed himself because of Jimmy's actions as if it was news of a local sports team losing a big game. He needs help; her encouraging him is out of love.
- She doesn't owe Jimmy a partnership; he's a corner cutting criminal who is a huge risk to her career. He's lucky she ever agreed to any partnership in the past.
Hopefully you are phrasing this on purpose to be from the standpoint of the devil on Jimmy's shoulder lol.
But the way you are framing that P-Switch is pretty "yikes" as they say.
- Yes Kim helped Jimmy become a lawyer, providing support, knowledge and giving him a reason to achieve. Calling that a "seduction" is really suspect lol
- Yes, Jimmy broke the law "for her"... that was Jimmy's choice and Kim never asked for the help.
- "Threatend Jimmy with therapy"? She's incredibly concerned for the mental well being of her partner for very good reason. He's shrugging off the death of his brother, who possibly killed himself because of Jimmy's actions as if it was news of a local sports team losing a big game. He needs help; her encouraging him is out of love.
- She doesn't owe Jimmy a partnership; he's a corner cutting criminal who is a huge risk to her career. He's lucky she ever agreed to any partnership in the past.
Hopefully you are phrasing this on purpose to be from the standpoint of the devil on Jimmy's shoulder lol.
Thank you riotous for actually engaging with why that take is problematic instead of just saying 'yikes' or 'bad look, bro' or w/e. But I also think the person could make a similar argument without the problematic framing that would be fun to debate.
(i'd say she's a catalyst, not a cause, but..)
(i'd say she's a catalyst, not a cause, but..)
I took that as 'For Why?' As in 'why is this happening?', half English half Spanish, which seemed appropriate. I might be reading too much into it.
(it is definitely intentional to suggest 'fork in the road')
I heard this too and I can't find a way to even find the case mentioned. Do I need to go back to the episode itself?
I heard this too and I can't find a way to even find the case mentioned. Do I need to go back to the episode itself?
It reminds me a bit of how people blamed Skylar for everything in BB.
"Exemption 4 in Leannais vs. Cincinatti" is the first one Kim mentions. (https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp/480/286/1531657/)
"Garcia vs. Coe Manufacturing" is the second one.
A company named "Vakarian Holdings Inc" is also mentioned during the convo.
No idea what these are referencing.
Maybe ME3?
https://www.giantbomb.com/garrus-vakarian/3005-767/
I know, me too. Which was always a shame because the sexist criticism of her character overshadowed the valid deconstruction of their relationship. Like, it's valid to think about how one character interacts with another can lead to one of them making a different decision, or even making a bad decision.
oh, that last one would be it. https://www.google.com/search?sourc...0....1..gws-wiz.....0..0i131j0i10.NXlHKHhRVnw
Apparently it's a Mass Effect reference.
Jimmy is the one who refuses to deal with his own issues. The responsibility is fully on him.
Jimmy ignored Kim's advice and self-destructs on his own, so Kim is choosing to go her own way instead of staying tied down by Jimmy's ridiculous life plans that he's doing everything in his power to undermine.
Blaming Kim for any of this sounds like the same type of bullshit that led to audiences hating Skyler in Breaking Bad, even though she was basically right about everything.
It was a tounge-in-cheek post, yes. My wife and I were joking about it after this last episode.
OF COURSE jimmy would always have been a con man skirting the law. Even if he went from mail room guy to something other occupation...even if he did become a lawyer and try to help Kim out..and even if he didn't work at the cellphone store and DID open a practice with Kim
We can expect he would have fallen some way.
It's just interesting this show has framed every major choice in terms of Kim, and all these choices lead directly to where Saul is in that episode 5 flashback. With Francesca and everything.
He would have always been a con man, but he probably wouldn't be in Breaking Bad if it wasn't for Kim. Just interesting is all.
Just like Mike probably would have fallen back to his dirty cop/full measures guy even if he never crossed paths with Hector/Gus...right?
That scene where Kim was concerned about Jimmy's lack of emotion about his brother and mentions he should go to therapy....and Jimmy feels threatened. So to mollify her and avoid doing that, he ends up taking this current cellphone job, which he wouldn't have otherwise. He would have dicked around and waited for his license to come back and try the legitimate practice with Kim again.
lol I kind of assumed you were writing that post from the perspective of Jimmy's selfish thoughts
And I think you have tapped into something; Jimmy might end up feeling that way about Kim.. or convincing himself things are her fault. He feels betrayed and it will likely snowball into a lot of the same thoughts you wrote out.
And I think you have tapped into something; Jimmy might end up feeling that way about Kim.. or convincing himself things are her fault. He feels betrayed and it will likely snowball into a lot of the same thoughts you wrote out.
Yeah, but that's his decision to make Kim that important in his life.
One major aspect of sexism and often the misogyny that accompanies it is that men decide to made decisions to the women in their lives for obstensively their benefit, and then the women are viewed as the root cause for any suffering that follows.
It even had it's roots in Breaking Bad. Walt said he did what he did for Skylar (and Walt) nearly every episode and viewers went with it, and then turning on skylar for not appreciating him enough for making decisions and sacrifices she didn't know he made and certainly didn't even want him to make.
Kim is getting off better than Skylar did because Skylar, being married and a housewife, was more attached to walt, while Kim is much more independent compared to her. But they both suffer from the fact htat the men in their lives make risky, destructive, unsafe decisions on their behalf, often without their knowledge, and then they are viewed as the root of the trouble because Walt and Jimmy made those decisions for them.
Kim is the reason why Jimmy is where he is now: The entire Mesa Verde con was orchestrated for no other reason than that Jimmy felt his girlfriend deserved the client more than HHM, and that lead to the fallout and chuck dying and Jimmy losing his liscense, so she's the motivator that Jimmy used, yes....but it's farcical to say she's responsible for it.
This has got to be the best episode of the season so far.
- Kim was very charming even back then, it's so sad seeing them all young and knowing what's coming
- Good to have Chuck back even if for a small scene
- Kim doing her own thing is the point of no return for her relationship with Jimmy, I think this is it, this is the very start of their fallout for sure
- That scene between Jimmy and Howard was incredible! I couldn't stop laughing for a straight minute after Jimmy's comeback from that "Fuck you Jimmy!"
- Kai is so dead and he's probably the reason for the setback building the lab
- The kids ain't messing with Jimmy no more, that shit was intense!
- HIS FINGER MOVED! I swear Hector's finger moved a little bit, it was swift but it did and it totally has to be intended.
Wow...yea did not expect my musings post to be taken so seriously. Being slapped in the face by my post was NOT the take away what I was looking for lol
Thanks, but yea, I was probably having too much fun in overexaggerating her influences on Jimmy's actions. The descriptive choices was to frame her as a more active influencer like Gus, rather than the more passive influencer that she is.
Rather than saying Jimmy become a lawyer because he liked Kim and wanted to appear better around her...and to a lesser extent Chuck's...eyes, I made it seem like she was purposefully pulling the strings on his emotions.
I apologize for offending everyone with my silly post :/
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It's already been renewed for S5, but they haven't set a firm end date for the show. It'll likely be at least six, but we'll see. Maybe they'll get into the writing room for S5 and realize they want to end it.
Ok phew! Am relieved you were not serious. Can't be too careful online in 2018.
I get the feeling that the early renewal is because the next one is the last. Can't imagine it lasting more than Breaking Bad, and also if I remember correctly, other seasons were never a sure thing in the past.
It does decent numbers on AMC and I'm sure it does great internationally on Netflix, plus it gets Emmy attention, so I think it'll run as long as they want to. The renewal was held up last year due to negotiations between Sony and AMC so I think the early renewal was more to avoid another situation like that. AMC is notorious for fucking up contract negotiations.
As for running longer than BrBa, if BCS runs two more seasons then it will end at the same number of episodes as Breaking Bad. I think at least two more seasons are likely...I don't see how they can wrap this up in another season at the pace they've been going. Especially if they want to do more post-BrBa stuff.
Yeah, that makes sense. I would not mind two more seasons, I'm really enjoying this show.
Guess not lol
I just want it to be clear Kim Wexler is arguably one of my favorite tv characters in the last decade or so
So those early rumors of Stefan Kapičić playing a crucial new character appears to be proven to be false. Where he ended up playing Casper, one of the guys on Werner's superlab construction team, the rumor was.....
.... that he was set to play Lalo. Further digging shows that Mexican-American actor Tony Dalton will actually be portraying Lalo. If they're introducing him this late into the season, I guess he'll be playing a bigger role in future seasons.
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It's odd because the way the shot was framed, focused, and lingered on his on hand after Gus leaves, you'd expect that twitch as a sign of life but at best it looked like it was moving from him just breathing.
I mean, given how panned the scene was for being overly clichéd, the fact that he DIDN'T twitch should be applauded for being subversive, right?
As mentioned in the Sepinwall (or AV Club?) review, they intentionally had him not move it, playing entirely on the audience relationship with that ring ring ring. He doesn't have to move it and that's the point. Lesser shows would have had him move it. It's that confidence in the audience that made Gus' on the nose monologue a little dissapointing.
Yeah, no way they were like, "okay, we're gonna make it so he movies but we're going to indicate that by just using the actor's own breathing".
https://imgur.com/a/smWwtRr
If you open those in different tabs and switch back and forth, you'll see that pretty much only his veins move.
Damn, Kim has ripped the bandaid off Jimmys transformation into Saul Goodman, with her crushing Jimmy's dream of owning a law firm together.
That was friggin brutal when he was trying to adopt her dream and said they could do criminal law together :(
Perfection.
Yes
That was friggin brutal when he was trying to adopt her dream and said they could do criminal law together :(
Perfection.
Yes
This season is not very good compared to last few IMO. Felt like things are going nowhere and the lack of Chuck, a more dominant present of a "villain" makes it a tad less interesting.
I think the close up on the finger was intended to create the expectation that it would move to give us a sign, but it doesn't because it's not time yet. Sort of a visual nod to the entire Gus monologue about patience. Overall the entire scene was draggy and lame imo. Haha.
I thought the focus on the finger was a reference to the fact he uses it in breaking bad to ring his small bell. Maybe I'm overthinking
His finger didn't move, I watched it like a hawk.
That episode was masterful. I was in awe at the end of it, and I swear it only felt like it was 20 minutes long.
Bob Odenkirk is sooooo good, but the support actors in this are amazing.
That episode was masterful. I was in awe at the end of it, and I swear it only felt like it was 20 minutes long.
Bob Odenkirk is sooooo good, but the support actors in this are amazing.
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