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Crossing Eden

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And here we go again...

Those haters are TERRIBLE. What's wrong if a woman of colour plays Ciri ? I would love it ! Things don't have to be exactly as in the game, for God sake !
What kills me is the logic that "my vastly different version of Ciri in my vidya who is in many many ways absolutely nothing like the characters from the books is ok" but one based on the books isn't ok if she has a different skin color. :|

The Ciri thing speed things up, but I honestly believe this show was doomed from the start with the Twitter/social media responses. Geralt, Ciri, Yennefer, etc. are quite different in the books vs. the games and the most vocal people about this show are the people that likely not even know this.
Half tempted to start a thread about that subject because so many people are expecting "The Witcher 3: the show," most people don't even seem to realize that Ciri is a child and only becomes a teenager in the books.
 

Legitmcfalls

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I know its easy to blame gamers for this but reading the witcher reddit, alot of the hate towards her comes from Polish fans of the Witcher who feel like the show is ignoring their Slavic culture. But regardless the hate isnt justified and Lauren is my hero for getting the witcher on tv and being open and available to talk about it!
 

DrDeckard

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Either social media will need to go or we are going to see an uncontrollable increase in youth suicide / overdose due to it. Social media sucks.
 
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I know its easy to blame gamers for this but reading the witcher reddit, alot of the hate towards her comes from Polish fans of the Witcher who feel like the show is ignoring their Slavic culture.
This is like saying that the BFV backlash was really from mainly from different historians who studied WW2 since they were 5.
 

DontRaff

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Tune the haters out and do your thing, Hissrich.

I wish more people could just say "Go Fuck Yourself, I'm doing me" and leave it at that. You're a creative director, it's your art. No reason to go back and forth with some people. Like imagine if social media was around when Picasso was making his art. Haters Back Off.
 

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I know its easy to blame gamers for this but reading the witcher reddit, alot of the hate towards her comes from Polish fans of the Witcher who feel like the show is ignoring their Slavic culture. But regardless the hate isnt justified and Lauren is my hero for getting the witcher on tv and being open and available to talk about it!
Their concern for slav representation isn't genuine.

It's a good thing that the news of casting Cavill came before this.
 

Igniz12

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Not surprised one bit, literally could tell how the last thread was gonna go even on this forum. 30+ pages of merry go round with people who won't come out and say why they don't want anyone but a white person playing Ciri.
 
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There are always haters. Why blame gamers again OP? There was nothing about gamers in the article.
This backlash specifically came because fans of the witcher games responded vitriolically to a rumored casting call that would *gasp* mean that a tv show that isn't about their favorite game would have POC, note, this isn't the first incident. When the writer posted a picture of the writing staff, the same type of people flipped out because *gasp*, there are POC on the writing staff. Now rinse and repeat similar incidents until the idea of, specifically, "black Ciri" cropped up. Note, the same crowd has zero issue with the huge amount of changes the games make to the source material when it comes to characterization and appearances. A common post is "I want Ciri to look like she does in the game," in spite of the fact that Ciri from the game looks completely different from in the books right down to having white hair instead of grey. But skin color to these people is the main issue. :|
 

Andy Mac

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Is anyone really expecting an American adaption of a story in 2020 to be 100% White on Netflix? I really don't see the issue with Ciri or anyone else in the Witcher universe being a person of color. it's sad after the Henry Cavill hype people have to be this shitty.

EXACTLY this!

It's absurd to expect any production from the US to be an all white cast. ESPECIALLY when we are talking about sci-fi or fantasy.

Like what if a Japanese company had bought the rights to The Witcher series? It follows kind of naturally that most of the story will contain mostly Japanese acting talent.

People getting worked up over these things are really starting to grind my gears. OK, if you are complaining about a WW2 movie taking liberties with historical accuracy but an adaptation of a fantasy novel? Feck off.

This is where we are, I guess. People should be pumped that there's going to be a cool new TV show based on The Witcher. Instead folks are losing their damn minds because a character won't be played by a white actor. Depressing.
 
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With how severe the harassment has been for the showrunner, it'll be tenfold for whoever they cast as Ciri if it's a non-white actress. Hopefully they are prepared for it.
 

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What kills me is the logic that "my vastly different version of Ciri in my vidya who is in many many ways absolutely nothing like the characters from the books is ok" but one based on the books isn't ok if she has a different skin color. :|


Half tempted to start a thread about that subject because so many people are expecting "The Witcher 3: the show," most people don't even seem to realize that Ciri is a child and only becomes a teenager in the books.

You make no sense whatsover. Go in the history of cinema and tell me ONCE where the original material and the movie are exactly the same. It doesn't happen, NEVER !

We have movies like Saving Private Ryan with not a sigle black person, despite 10% of the GIs were blacks. But that's still one of my favorite movie ever. I'm not going to hate it because there is no black person. And I'm not going to hate on the Witcher TV series because we will have a woman of color in it.

In my favorite movie of all time, the Lord of the Rings, Glorifindel ( Elrond's son ) is not even in the movie ! He has even been replaced in some scenes by Arwen. So what ? Those this destroys the movie in any ways ? NOPE.
 

StayHandsome

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Garbage people, and a lot of them are on this forum, too - that thread showed.

Does it really help anything to make comments like this?

It's really unfortunate if she feels forced off. The tone of her tweet doesn't suggest that's the case but it's entirely likely she's just being outwardly diplomatic

But I don't see the value in the rinse-and-repeat flood of one-liners disparaging an entirely amorphous group of people, calling them garbage, trash, or whatever. Especially since you're willing to call our members of this forum without naming names specifically.

Comments like yours are equally responsible for ensuring the quality of dialog is low.
 

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Is anyone really expecting an American adaption of a story in 2020 to be 100% White on Netflix? I really don't see the issue with Ciri or anyone else in the Witcher universe being a person of color. it's sad after the Henry Cavill hype people have to be this shitty.
I think we can be honest:
Anyone pissed to the point of getting literally angry online that she isn't white is racist. Full stop. Period. End of story. Even if they don't believe they are.

It's 2018, the world is rapidly becoming less white every day. Stop expecting casts to be all white. Fantasy, sci-fi, or otherwise. Existing IP doesn't get a free pass from this.
 

Kenzodielocke

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Does it really help anything to make comments like this?

It's really unfortunate if she feels forced off. The tone of her tweet doesn't suggest that's the case but it's entirely likely she's just being outwardly diplomatic

But I don't see the value in the rinse-and-repeat flood of one-liners disparaging an entirely amorphous group of people, calling them garbage, trash, or whatever. Especially since you're willing to call our members of this forum without naming names specifically.

Comments like yours are equally responsible for ensuring the quality of dialog is low.
Nah, people do it themselves to keep it low. Back off with your whatboutism. There were a lot of awful posts in that thread, period. Racists = garbage people.
 

Legitmcfalls

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This. I don't get why people use it.

Each to their own I guess.
Lauren was using it to communicate with fans and talk about characters, subjects, locations, everything. Shes a very smart lady and very passionate about the witcher. I don't think she left because she couldn't handle the angry fans. Hell, she's been getting it since it was announced last year because "Witcher is manly, no woman will understand" bs.
 

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She's handling this with such class - I really admire her.

I have to wonder if those belly-aching about this would feel as passionately about Samuel L. Jackson's casting as Nick Fury, Idris Elba's as Heimdall or Morgan Freeman playing an originally red-headed Irishman in Shawshank Redemption.
 

jesu

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She is taking a hiatus and it is amid a backlash.
There is nothing wrong with the thread and article title.
 
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So Ciri being black is not official, only that there will be actors from different ethnic groups in the series.
This really blown up pretty big based only on rumors which is scary.
 

Artdayne

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I know its easy to blame gamers for this but reading the witcher reddit, alot of the hate towards her comes from Polish fans of the Witcher who feel like the show is ignoring their Slavic culture. But regardless the hate isnt justified and Lauren is my hero for getting the witcher on tv and being open and available to talk about it!

If those complaints were actually legitimate they would have complained about Henry Cavill's casting, and as far as I can tell, they didn't. It's a bullshit excuse, they don't want a main character to be played by someone who is not white.
 

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I think we can be honest:
Anyone pissed to the point of getting literally angry online that she isn't white is racist. Full stop. Period. End of story. Even if they don't believe they are.

It's 2018, the world is rapidly becoming less white every day. Stop expecting casts to be all white. Fantasy, sci-fi, or otherwise. Existing IP doesn't get a free pass from this.
That was pretty much my point with the 2020 comment, with US being more diverse, you can't ask countless actors of color to just sit out a big scale production like the Witcher. No one except racists should have expected this to be an all white production.
 
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You make no sense whatsover. Go in the history of cinema and tell me ONCE where the original material and the movie are exactly the same. It doesn't happen, NEVER !
You should really consider the context of what you just read, specifically the part about how those people who have SOOOOO much of an issue with the idea of Ciri being anything but white simultaneously have no issue with the ton of changes made to her characterization in The Witcher 3. I'm literally arguing that adaptations make changes, and that pearl clutching over one while being ok with the other is disingenuous.

We have movies like Saving Private Ryan with not a sigle black person, despite 10% of the GIs were blacks. But that's still one of my favorite movie ever. I'm not going to hate it because there is no black person. I'm not going to hate on the Witcher TV series because we will have a woman of color in it.
You're a better person than most.

In my favorite movie of all time, the Lord of the Rings, Glorifindel ( Elrond's son ) is not even in the movie ! He has even been replaced in some scenes by Arwen. So what ? Those this destroys the movie in any ways ? NOPE.
Why are you yelling at me when I have no problem with the idea of CIri being a POC. I'm for the idea that adaptations make changes. I'm just pointing out the cognitive dissonance of people who "want it to stick to the source material."
 
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Does it really help anything to make comments like this?

It's really unfortunate if she feels forced off. The tone of her tweet doesn't suggest that's the case but it's entirely likely she's just being outwardly diplomatic

But I don't see the value in the rinse-and-repeat flood of one-liners disparaging an entirely amorphous group of people, calling them garbage, trash, or whatever. Especially since you're willing to call our members of this forum without naming names specifically.

Comments like yours are equally responsible for ensuring the quality of dialog is low.

You should post more often to bring the qualify of dialogue up.
 

ry-dog

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Considering how much the game deviated from the books and how few comparatively complained, it's pretty telling that most of these people are fucking racist.
 

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Don't you think that is reductive?
Not at all. It's an absolute undeniable fact. If you get literally ANGRY that a lead in a tv show isn't white, existing IP or otherwise, you have serious issues with race.

Considering how much the game deviated from the books and how few comparatively complained, it's pretty telling that most of these people are fucking racist.
Bingo! People only get angry to the point of screaming online when the change is making a character not white.
 
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To put it bluntly, if Ciri in the series was a POC but still still had her personality from the books, then that would be a way less significant change than her characterization in TW3.
 

CloudWolf

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So Ciri being black is not official, only that there will be actors from different ethnic groups in the series.
This really blown up pretty big based only on rumors which is scary.
A little more than rumors this time. The casting call specifically mentioned they were looking for a non-white 15/16-year old girl to play Ciri.

It's still stupid though, most of these people are solely basing their rage on the fact that the casting call doesn't fit with the way Ciri was portrayed in the video game, despite the series not being based on the game at all. Ciri being colored wouldn't be fully in line with the source material, but also wouldn't be a huge blow to the character.

To put it bluntly, if Ciri in the series was a POC but still still had her personality from the books, then that would be a way less significant change than her characterization in TW3.
This is true.
 

Thorrgal

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I see there's one word changed from the Gamestop article to this thread title; were one says "amid" the other says "over".

Am I wrong to interpret that one implies causality were the other doesn't?

I
 

Ivory Samoan

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OP, the title seems to mislead a little.. she's acknowledging the positive and negative feedback like a champ, very well said I must say, and is now focussing on getting the show done instead of getting lost in the twitter stare (that tunnel vision we are all guilty of when reading things about ourselves or what we've done).

Props to Hissrich for not hitting back and taking the high road to focus on what's important for her and us, the fans: a great TV show.
 

Visanideth

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To put it bluntly, if Ciri in the series was a POC but still still had her personality from the books, then that would be a way less significant change than her characterization in TW3.

This is a fact. Among all the liberties that will be necessarily taken with this adaptation, changing someone's skin colour should be the most trivial thing you can be concerned about.
 

Kelanflyter

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I think we can be honest:
Anyone pissed to the point of getting literally angry online that she isn't white is racist. Full stop. Period. End of story. Even if they don't believe they are.

It's 2018, the world is rapidly becoming less white every day. Stop expecting casts to be all white. Fantasy, sci-fi, or otherwise. Existing IP doesn't get a free pass from this.

Sorry in advance if some wording is bad, i don't want to hurt anyone but im not english native, so i do my best.

Is it really racism ?
I'm not angry, it's their tv-show after all, but Ciri has never been refered as black in the books, so why use a black woman to play the role ?
Blackwashing a character is not better than whitewashing.
If a character is black, use a black actor, if a character is white, use a white actor, if a character is asian, use an asian actor, if a character is a man, use a man actor, if th characer is a woman,use a woman actress.....

I don't see racism here, just a will to see a character be like the one in the original.


But i agree that th backlash is way to much and shouldn't be that hatefull.
 

CloudWolf

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I personally can't wait for all the angry threads about the fact that Triss isn't all that important in the series and just Geralt's side hustle.

"THEY RUINED TRISS"
 

Andrew Lucas

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She didn't leave, like others pointed, clickbait. Lauren replies to a lot of people since the the news was out she was a showrunner, she was doing it now more than ever.