Norman doesn't always start out as a complete monster, but eventually becomes one as he falls down the Goblin hole.
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Marvel's Spider-Man Spoiler Thread [MAJOR UNMARKED SPOILERS]
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Norman doesn't always start out as a complete monster, but eventually becomes one as he falls down the Goblin hole.
I got that, I'm saying mj and Peter weren't expecting any calls or emails or tweets apparently
I'm really confused what Harry having the symbiote means for the story going forward. Like, maybe they find a way to release him of it but that's how it finds it's way to Eddie Brock? Harry becoming Venom wouldn't make sense.
I like this. I think no matter how the plot for the next one goes, Goblin and Venom will be the central villains like how Li and Ock were here.
I like this. I think no matter how the plot for the next one goes, Goblin and Venom will be the central villains like how Li and Ock were here.
Harry was Venom (for a time) in the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon. And Mary Jane was Carnage.
Well, Pete technically did receive a bunch of Voicemails for the research stations. And they comment on how it's weird that he sort of fell off the grid, but I assume it was just written off as him being out backpacking or whatever.
This also happens in the comics (notably ultimate). Harry kind of has a tendency for vanishing for periods of time only to show back up unexpectedly, to both MJ and Pete's usual excitement.
This obviously ends poorly every time
Peter and MJ both say that it's weird that he doesn't return calls
Fucking what. As someone who's only watched the 90's cartoon series and the live action films, my mind is blown.
The Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon was fucking weird. I think I could post the stuff that happened in that cartoon and a lot of people would find it hard to believe.
They have to expand to Brooklyn, queens, Coney Island, etc. You're right in that there's no way they stick to just Manhattan again.
One of the Oscorp displays in the train station also has what looks like his glider.
Saving Goblin for the third game might be pretty cool if they continue to develop Norman. He's the arch nemesis of Spider-Man, they're not going to skip out on him if they have a trilogy in mind. I'd bet money on Venom (either Harry or Eddie) being the main villain of the sequel, with maybe two smaller baddies like Mysterio and Sandman filling the Kingpin/Li roles.
One issue with anything that isn't Manhattan is just that there's way less tall buildings. Like, isn't most of Brooklyin (apart from Downtown) houses no higher than, say, 4 stories?
So traversal might be kinda boring when there's not plenty of high-rise buildings to swing from.
it does get kinda flat once you cross the East River
I liked how the story wrapped up with Octavius by the end of it. Even though you'd probably have an idea how events will unfold the moment we first see Dr. Otto in the beginning, it still felt compelling enough on it's own, that the final scene between them kinda hits. But the scene right after with Aunt May had me surprised. Had the right words in there that it hit me pretty hard. Didn't like the 3 months later scene though as I'm already so used to the MCU endings so it felt like they should've combined that MJ & Peter makeup & the Miles revealing his Spider powers together over like an outdoor lunch at Miles's place to reinforce that the three now see each other as a teammates moving forward & protecting the city then Hard cut to the credits with some punk music instead of that fade-away cut of MJ & Peter kissing. lol. Overall, the story feels like a solid start with plenty of room to explore for the sequel. Definitely will check back for the DLC and will look forward to see how Insonmiac will improve with the sequel.
One thought that amused me though was that this is Spider-Man 8 years into his hero life, and Green Goblin hasn't made his appearance. With 2002's Spider-Man movie being Spider-Man's introduction for me as a kid, it just felt kinda weird. Like Batman fighting crime for 8 years with no Joker around yet.
One thought that amused me though was that this is Spider-Man 8 years into his hero life, and Green Goblin hasn't made his appearance. With 2002's Spider-Man movie being Spider-Man's introduction for me as a kid, it just felt kinda weird. Like Batman fighting crime for 8 years with no Joker around yet.
Earlier this year I lost my my job and when money was getting hard to come by my folks had given me some without me asking. That scene where Peter wakes up after getting evicted in May's office and sees the envelop of money broke me. Aunt may was done well in this game and is also a character with history to a lot of people.
All-in-all, I enjoyed it, but I definitely think there's flaws or short-comings in stuff like the repetitive crime design, the quantity of them needed for completion at the 2nd half, and the overall pace and way of escalation. From the story-side, poorly developed substories in Sable, etc, weird sense of timing ( progression of character arcs, how fast some things felt, where it lacked depth, etc ), and there are definitely parts of the story that imo - and the devs acknowledged this, that basically rely on the osmosis of "you know this about Spider-Man, so we don't need to even bother telling it" is not well done on some parts.
There's one particular character/plot development that I'd like to give praise to though.It's not uncommon - when crafting a villain's arc to lean back to the 'good in them' as an emotional conflict factor to make them believable, sympathetic to a degree & ups the ante. The game definitely did make use of this well with villains like Mr. Negative and Norman Osborne to great effect, where the crux of their lives are at stake - Harry for Norman, his family for Li and the diary of internal struggle, among other things. Cheesy, but it works.
But the choice to not use it with one particular villain, Doc Ock , even when it feels like it'd make sense to, instead makes the scene more powerful & rending. It's so easy to see how it could've been a Spider-Man 2 Movie situation, where upon the neuro-link being removed and Otto not realising ( hypthothetically ) that Spidey was Peter, they could've easily pulled for an emotional cheap shot where Otto was a guy who was just amplified of his evil by his machine and in the last moment, accept his defeat gracefully to Pete.
But nope. The fact that we got a reveal that Otto knew all along, the fact that the progression of the story path imo - paints Otto as someone who was more selfish in his agenda of building prosthetic ( for himself ) and how the seeds of Otto planning all the devious plans were already there immediately after Norman came and wreck shop - meant that the hopes that there was more of the "good Otto" than "Doc Ock" that Pete wished was dashed. And the fact that there was practically zero remorse and a genuine attempt to pin the blame on the neuro-tech plot device at the end when Otto tried to weasel his way out and blackmail Peter, meant that the scene was doubly heartbreaking for Peter.
It's one time where going 'full-evil' ( kind of ) worked in the story's favour.
There's one particular character/plot development that I'd like to give praise to though.It's not uncommon - when crafting a villain's arc to lean back to the 'good in them' as an emotional conflict factor to make them believable, sympathetic to a degree & ups the ante. The game definitely did make use of this well with villains like Mr. Negative and Norman Osborne to great effect, where the crux of their lives are at stake - Harry for Norman, his family for Li and the diary of internal struggle, among other things. Cheesy, but it works.
But the choice to not use it with one particular villain, Doc Ock , even when it feels like it'd make sense to, instead makes the scene more powerful & rending. It's so easy to see how it could've been a Spider-Man 2 Movie situation, where upon the neuro-link being removed and Otto not realising ( hypthothetically ) that Spidey was Peter, they could've easily pulled for an emotional cheap shot where Otto was a guy who was just amplified of his evil by his machine and in the last moment, accept his defeat gracefully to Pete.
But nope. The fact that we got a reveal that Otto knew all along, the fact that the progression of the story path imo - paints Otto as someone who was more selfish in his agenda of building prosthetic ( for himself ) and how the seeds of Otto planning all the devious plans were already there immediately after Norman came and wreck shop - meant that the hopes that there was more of the "good Otto" than "Doc Ock" that Pete wished was dashed. And the fact that there was practically zero remorse and a genuine attempt to pin the blame on the neuro-tech plot device at the end when Otto tried to weasel his way out and blackmail Peter, meant that the scene was doubly heartbreaking for Peter.
It's one time where going 'full-evil' ( kind of ) worked in the story's favour.
I never thought that was Eddie Brock but I also had back pack items that already mentioned him at that point.
The game definitely was written to a degree - from the perspective of "we don't need to revisit origin story/etc etc", but I feel like that is a mistake to a degree. For some people, this will be someone's first Spider-Man, and I felt that the game should at least do a general nod of the matter, even if just a minor thing.
For example - I felt that the game very successfully gave an insight to what the '8-year-blank' of Spidey's career looked like via the backpacks. The environmental and one-liners for all of Pete's mementos gave a good enough picture into how he's been Spidey, starting off as a ragtag DIY hero in high-school to where he is currently. Even stuff like how Pete got his powers was told reasonably well with MJ's insight into Norman's lab - and how Miles got his power.
But the focal part about how he became Spider-Man in the first place? I feel like the story should've at least touched on it a little bit. Doesn't need to be substantial.
For example - I felt that the game very successfully gave an insight to what the '8-year-blank' of Spidey's career looked like via the backpacks. The environmental and one-liners for all of Pete's mementos gave a good enough picture into how he's been Spidey, starting off as a ragtag DIY hero in high-school to where he is currently. Even stuff like how Pete got his powers was told reasonably well with MJ's insight into Norman's lab - and how Miles got his power.
But the focal part about how he became Spider-Man in the first place? I feel like the story should've at least touched on it a little bit. Doesn't need to be substantial.
Since my little details thread was surprisingly closed, I am posting this amazing detail here: https://www.reddit.com/r/PS4/comments/9f60n0/anybody_here_knew_that_the_voice_actors_for/
Kingpins and MJs voice actors are also married to each other. Although that would be a more awkward I love you scene.
Otto kinda feels like metal gear solids 2 villian solidus snake, trying to stop another evil by going to the extreme.
Funny thing is they both had octopus like arms too lol.
Funny thing is they both had octopus like arms too lol.
Well the first piece of DLC is confirmed to be about Black Cat, and the third is called Silver Lining, I can only assume Silver Sable will be involved with that one!
I don't think they said anything about it. How would Peter get it though? He didn't seem to be in great economic conditions.
Norman likes Peter, right? Maybe he'll offer him a new grant to continue the work. Although I don't think Peter would take considering what he knows about Norman now.
At the very least Queens. The Ultimate Spider-Man game and the MCU showed you could have Spidey swinging and active in Queens
Yeah, he most likely wouldn't have taken it before, much less now. Though I am pretty interested to see what Peter will be doing, now that he's without a job.
Why would you say you don't want to be tied to AIM? Is this the face of a person who is up to no good?
Norman was very very friendly to Harry for most of Spider-Man 1.
Did anyone else find Peter to be a bit too perfect? The guy had like no flaws. He's such an amazing person which I guess is the point but it was a bit much sometimes. The only flaw I can think of is that he's maybe too overprotective of MJ based on their breakup, but with we're shown in the game it's pretty reasonable. She's breaking to military bases and shit with no plan whatsoever. If it weren't for Peter she'd be dead. She's kind of annoying.
I don't necessarily disagree, but if you think about it, his work-life balance is shit (to the point where he forgets about a final warning for his eviction notice and his portion of the grant money clearly isn't paying the bills), he can't communicate very well in terms of his relationships (see MJ - even if he has a point with her taking excessive risks, they clearly couldn't work things out at some point), and his 'believe the best' in people like Ock and Martin Lee ended up getting faceless New Yorkers killed, not to mention Aunt May.
But that said, being an 'actual' nice guy is what defines a LOT of Peter's character - unless something like the symbiote interferes, and/or his loved ones are in direct danger, he's not going to go all punisher on someone.
My theory is that Peter gets the symbiote and it's up to Miles to stop him when Peter takes his heel turn.
He didn't. There's a JJJ show post-campaign where he mentions Osborn resigned in disgrace. So his rep is basically ruined. Who knows if he's going to jail tho.
If you mean the Raimi movie, He literally spends the entire film downplaying his son's achievements and favoring Peter. The first scene I can think of is when he goes to Harry's graduation, looks at him, says "It's not the first time I've been proven wrong" and then ignores him to praise Peter. Harry lingers for a moment and then walks off. Their relationship is really strained in that movie, even if Norman is polite about his disapproval.
If you mean the first Spider Man game, It's been a while and I don't remember it so I'd have to take your word on it.
You are absolutely right of course- My wires were crossed hard on this one- I read the quote as Peter instead of Harry and yet I still wrote Harry when I was talking about Peter
I'd just like to say that I'm quite upset MJ never got bitten by the spider that was on her from Oscorp to FEAST, but bites Miles the second he gets close. I wanted Spider-MJ...
Not really. It's about in line with who he is. His life's a wreck because he can't balance life as Spider-Man with life as Peter Parker and he's extremely hard on himself and blames himself for things that he couldn't have forseen.
Hahaha, It's all good. I really think the ending reveal was really effective for the stated reason. It immediately made me find Norman more interesting.
As phenomenal as some of the world building is, plot contrivances like this do somewhat take me out of the moment... Even if it is a common comic trope.