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Sephzilla

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they're in the midst of a 30 day stretch without a scheduled day off. they are gassed. the division is basically a tossup right now.

2 runs off of wade fucking miley
Yeah, depending on how these next two games go I kind of feel like this might become Milwaukees division to lose. Gonna he an exciting final few weeks
 

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8.5 games out of first place on September 10th with virtually all of the key young players from last year's team either seriously hurt or sharply regressing. It has been a disappointing season relative to the expectations raised by their run last year + the offseason addition of the NL MVP + a 50-22 start. Not sure how that is even controversial.
The Red Sox are just dramatically better than the Yankees. It's not like the Yankees are wildly underperforming.
 
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zulux21

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they're in the midst of a 30 day stretch without a scheduled day off. they are gassed. the division is basically a tossup right now.

2 runs off of wade fucking miley
you say that like it's a terrible performance.
They actually increased Miley's ERA on the year.

He might not have been great in the past, but he is rocking a 2.23 era through 13 starts this year.
he seems to have found his 2012 way or pitching.
 

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you say that like it's a terrible performance.
They actually increased Miley's ERA on the year.

He might not have been great in the past, but he is rocking a 2.23 era through 13 starts this year.
he seems to have found his 2012 way or pitching.

yay era. he has an xfip over 4 and a k rate hovering around 6, with a walk rate almost 2x as high as his 2012. it's pretty fair to say he's a pitcher that the highest scoring offense in the NL should have been able to do more against in a crucial game.
 
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zulux21

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yay era. he has an xfip over 4 and a k rate hovering around 6, with a walk rate almost 2x as high as his 2012. it's pretty fair to say he's a pitcher that the highest scoring offense in the NL should have been able to do more against in a crucial game.
I mean, he also isn't walking many people, has an good WHIP, is giving up basically no home runs meaning he is constantly getting people to put the ball into play in a way that is letting his team consistently field it to keep from having big innings.

Also highest scoring offense in the NL might be accurate, but not all that impressive given even the last place Rangers have a higher scoring offense :P
but rangers jokes aside 7 of the 14 other teams in the NL are with in 20 runs of the cubs.

the main point being regardless what his extended stats say he has been very effective at not having many runs scored against him this year, and the "highest scoring offense" really doesn't mean much when it comes to the NL in regards to how it should be able to do something against him given half of the teams in the NL arguably have nearly as good offenses by runs scored.

I mean extended stats are fun and all, but they don't dictate reality. Wade Miley has been highly effective this year, and whether it appears to be luck by the extended stats or not, when you have almost a half of a season's worth of data it shouldn't really be that surprising when the best the "highest scoring offense" could do was slightly raise his ERA.

I mean by your criteria someone like Mark Buehrle is a horrible pitcher with a career xfip of over 4 and a k rate of 5.13 and yet he had a perfect game, a no hitter, and was a 4 time all star and really only had 2 bad seasons over a 15 year career.
 

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I mean, he also isn't walking many people, has an good WHIP, is giving up basically no home runs meaning he is constantly getting people to put the ball into play in a way that is letting his team consistently field it to keep from having big innings.

Also highest scoring offense in the NL might be accurate, but not all that impressive given even the last place Rangers have a higher scoring offense :P
but rangers jokes aside 7 of the 14 other teams in the NL are with in 20 runs of the cubs.

the main point being regardless what his extended stats say he has been very effective at not having many runs scored against him this year, and the "highest scoring offense" really doesn't mean much when it comes to the NL in regards to how it should be able to do something against him given half of the teams in the NL arguably have nearly as good offenses by runs scored.

I mean extended stats are fun and all, but they don't dictate reality. Wade Miley has been highly effective this year, and whether it appears to be luck by the extended stats or not, when you have almost a half of a season's worth of data it shouldn't really be that surprising when the best the "highest scoring offense" could do was slightly raise his ERA.

I mean by your criteria someone like Mark Buehrle is a horrible pitcher with a career xfip of over 4 and a k rate of 5.13 and yet he had a perfect game, a no hitter, and was a 4 time all star and really only had 2 bad seasons over a 15 year career.

damn dude just admit you didn't realize how bad his peripherals are lmao. you're basically shunning the slightest bit of analytical thinking and making this huge defense for..... wade miley. because of his era. in 60 innings. c'mon man.
 
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damn dude just admit you didn't realize how bad his peripherals are lmao. you're basically shunning the slightest bit of analytical thinking and making this huge defense for..... wade miley. because of his era. in 60 innings. c'mon man.

But... you're doing the same thing. And lo and behold you're doing it against the Brewers again too
 

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The Red Sox are just dramatically better than the Yankees. It's not like the Yankees are wildly underperforming.

Yeah, I don't get this either. Yankees have an incredible record and tons of star power, but the Red Sox are one of the best teams maybe ever, so the Yankees suck?

I'm just thankful that the Padres will never allow Padre fans to become entitled. Or something.
 

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Yeah, I don't get this either. Yankees have an incredible record and tons of star power, but the Red Sox are one of the best teams maybe ever, so the Yankees suck?

I'm just thankful that the Padres will never allow Padre fans to become entitled. Or something.


No one is saying the Yankees sucks (in any seriousness). Those of us who follow the team every game are obviously going to notice the flaws of the team much more clearly than those who don't. It has nothing to do with entitlement. The Yankees spend a ton of money on payroll and in turn charges very high ticket prices. The fans should expect a good product on the field and have every right to complain when they see a player being lazy, not hustling, and not performing up to standards.
 

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If the Rays finish with 88 Wins this season will be a success in my eyes. What they have done after the "Fire sale" is simply amazing. The new stadium in Ybor has to be built if theres any hope of the Rays keeping this core of players.
 

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No one is saying the Yankees sucks (in any seriousness). Those of us who follow the team every game are obviously going to notice the flaws of the team much more clearly than those who don't. It has nothing to do with entitlement. The Yankees spend a ton of money on payroll and in turn charges very high ticket prices. The fans should expect a good product on the field and have every right to complain when they see a player being lazy, not hustling, and not performing up to standards.

So you are saying that because the Yankees spend a ton of money and charge high ticket prices the fans have a right to expect a good product on the field correct? And because of those things they also "have every right to complain when they see a player being lazy, not hustling, and not performing up to standards." ?

Just making sure I understand your statement correctly.
 
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If the Rays finish with 88 Wins this season will be a success in my eyes. What they have done after the "Fire sale" is simply amazing. The new stadium in Ybor has to be built if theres any hope of the Rays keeping this core of players.
As a Red Sox fan i also agree

what you guys did this season was nothing short of incredible, just a shame you couldnt have kicked it into gear a bit sooner to challenge for the wild card
 

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So you are saying that because the Yankees spend a ton of money and charge high ticket prices the fans have a right to expect a good product on the field correct? And because of those things they also "have every right to complain when they see a player being lazy, not hustling, and not performing up to standards." ?

Just making sure I understand your statement correctly.

Let me clarify as I can see where some may misunderstand. I'm not implying that only fans of high payroll teams can complain. Every fanbase of every team has the right to complain as they see fit. My main point is that people telling Yankees fans they shouldn't complain because the team is 30 games over .500 is absurd. The overall record may be good, but if a player makes a terrible boneheaded play in a crucial moment of a game or is lazy and not hustling, the fans should absolutely be able to complain about it, regardless of the overall record of the team.
 

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But the original statement wasn't about anyone being lazy or not hustling. It was about Bird and Sanchez' stats and the fact they were batting together in the lineup. The Yankees are disappointing because Brid and Sanchez had bad stats. That is what is absurd.
 

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But the original statement wasn't about anyone being lazy or not hustling. It was about Bird and Sanchez' stats and the fact they were batting together in the lineup. The Yankees are disappointing because Brid and Sanchez had bad stats. That is what is absurd.

I don't know who the original statement was from or in response to, but it's been a pretty regular occurrence in the past couple months that whenever Yankees fans complain about under-performance, the detractors will just cite their overall record and say it's a non-issue. Again, I'm not seeing a lot of Yankees fans here saying the team's record sucks. Mostly they're complaining about players playing poorly, making dumb errors, or not hustling. Sanchez and Bird are just easy targets because quite frankly even if you don't follow the Yankees, it's hard to deny how badly they've underachieved this year.
 

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But... you're doing the same thing. And lo and behold you're doing it against the Brewers again too

Man what are you even talking about. I was being complimentary to the brewers after last noght. How am I going against analytical thinking by saying that wade.mileys current performance is lightning in a bottle? It is so incredibly obvious. like, please explain to me how I'm doing what you bolded.

If you think what I said about wade fucking miley is unfair or biased then I dont ehen know what to say other than that you are unwilling to be impartial about your team. I mean god damn, how can you even try to start a fight about that and pretend like you're being honest?

https://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/pitcher-spotlight-wade-mileys-ridiculous-season/

Just enjoy the fact that the brewers are having a good season and stop pretending like everyone is being unfair to your team
 
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I don't know who the original statement was from or in response to, but it's been a pretty regular occurrence in the past couple months that whenever Yankees fans complain about under-performance, the detractors will just cite their overall record and say it's a non-issue. Again, I'm not seeing a lot of Yankees fans here saying the team's record sucks. Mostly they're complaining about players playing poorly, making dumb errors, or not hustling. Sanchez and Bird are just easy targets because quite frankly even if you don't follow the Yankees, it's hard to deny how badly they've underachieved this year.

But that wasn't the case in this particular thread. So. Okay, I guess?
 

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But the original statement wasn't about anyone being lazy or not hustling. It was about Bird and Sanchez' stats and the fact they were batting together in the lineup. The Yankees are disappointing because Brid and Sanchez had bad stats. That is what is absurd.

Bird turning out to be a complete bust and Sanchez (and Severino) falling off a cliff this year are significant reasons why the New York Yankees have been unable to keep pace in their division despite universal consensus both entering the season and at the midway point of the season that they were equipped to challenge for and possibly win their division despite their primary competition being similarly loaded and having a historic year. That is disappointing as a fan of said team. Sanchez and Bird being bad is both causative (because being bad at baseball means a team wins fewer baseball games) and emblematic (because both were expected to be better than they have been this year) of that disappointment. What part of this is absurd exactly?
 

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Complain all you like. I was only saying, from a fan of one of the 20+ teams in the league that have no hope, that I only wish I had your problems.
 

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Complain all you like. I was only saying, from a fan of one of the 20+ teams in the league that have no hope, that I only wish I had your problems.

You actually have hope in baseball even if you root for a small market team. The Padres has a top 3 farm system and could become the next Houston Astros in a few years. The Royals won the whole thing just a few years ago. I'm a Brooklyn Nets fan. We literally have no hope in the NBA.
 

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You actually have hope in baseball even if you root for a small market team. The Padres has a top 3 farm system and could become the next Houston Astros in a few years. The Royals won the whole thing just a few years ago. I'm a Brooklyn Nets fan. We literally have no hope in the NBA.
Nets have all their draft picks going forward, their books are in good shape, and the organization, top to bottom, has been demonstrating real signs of competence for several years now. It will take some time but they finally have a future again.
 

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Also Sanchez is an easy target because he's fat AF and Bird probably...I dunno. He cracked 800 ops there for a while and you were like maybe this could work but I think the dream is dead.
 

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Nets have all their draft picks going forward and the organization, top to bottom, has been demonstrating real signs of competence for several years now. It will take some time but they finally have a future again.

I admire your optimism, but the NBA is all about the super-teams now. The Nets may become competent and even make the playoffs one of these days, but I can't see the Nets ever being a desirable destination for superstar free agents to want to go play for.
 

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And that is why you treat a 4-1 game in the 5th inning against a bad team with a bad bullpen as a winnable game and not like garbage time.
 

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I admire your optimism, but the NBA is all about the super-teams now. The Nets may become competent and even make the playoffs one of these days, but I can't see the Nets ever being a desirable destination for superstar free agents to want to go play for.
I can, eventually. New York is still a basketball and entertainment mecca and the Knicks will continue to be a dumpster fire as long as James Dolan is still around. There is a void there waiting to be filled.
 

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Phillies doing their best to fuck this one up
 

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I can, eventually. New York is still a basketball and entertainment mecca and the Knicks will continue to be a dumpster fire as long as James Dolan is still around. There is a void there waiting to be filled.
New York will never be a nets town even if the nets are good and the Knicks continue to be trash.
 
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