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Beto V Cruz: Race Tightens, Cruz allies sounding alarms
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Nice assumption. I think we can all see who you really are and what you are really saying
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It's difficult to do that when I'm getting bombarded with responses. I'm trying to acknowledge each response. Give me break.
And it's why Democrats should continue to ignore these types of non voters. They aren't changing their minds unless they get a politician that is exactly what they want them to be and they don't really care about the 60 million other people that vote, what they want, in fact, doesn't matter and even if Democrats never won another election again they would be perfectly happy with that regardless of what that would cost others.
Yes, research was known back as far as the 60s and definitely by the 90s. However, it was primarily within the graduate and PhD communities. Today, that information is much more accessible and more people are entering college education, especially people of color. Furthermore, journalism and videos are able to portray firsthand accounts of people who are victims of social concerns and violence. Social issue topics simply reach a far wider amount of individuals today than it could back in the day, and that includes our politicians.
Luckily, no one is asking you to vote for the Clintons right now. Beto O'Rourke is who is being considered. He is still going to be ignorant about many issues just like anyone else. However, under the democratic party, he is at least showing that he is willing to listen and learn.
It's difficult to do that when your position disintegrates when you try to elaborate on it.
"They won't get me, I'm helping them, see? I'm one of the good ones, they'll spare me" is an uncomfortably real mentality some have
Which they don't according to your views. Thus, it leads to a Republican winning.
I'm a bisexual man and my issues are not Transgender issues. We have unique issues as well. Is Beto too scared to say "Transgender" because he uses LGBT? I don't follow.
It's great that you mentor young black children. Why not help ensure a better future for them by voting for someone who won't actively try to stifle them?
Honestly I don't know if he should be reported. The problem actually is the sort of philosophy some people have here that we have to work to change minds on these forums about all things, when in actual reality that's not how it works. Minds change at their own time when there is a willingness. This was never going to go any other way.
BurntFool is a victim of a succesful divide and conquer that the GOP uses to keep poor white class whites in their corner or away from Dems.
'Dems want to give everything for free, raise your taxes' to the white people.
'Dems do nothing for you, black on black crime, guns, drugs' to the black voters.
Btw, issues are results of GOP and Reagan policies. Kick GOP out so we can properly tax the rich and corps again, common sense gun reform, a DOJ that investigates hate crimes and continues biased police institutions (remember when Sessions ignored Chicago PD DOJ report and said during is fine?).
Don't make our black lives worse because you think nothing is better.
'Dems want to give everything for free, raise your taxes' to the white people.
'Dems do nothing for you, black on black crime, guns, drugs' to the black voters.
Btw, issues are results of GOP and Reagan policies. Kick GOP out so we can properly tax the rich and corps again, common sense gun reform, a DOJ that investigates hate crimes and continues biased police institutions (remember when Sessions ignored Chicago PD DOJ report and said during is fine?).
Don't make our black lives worse because you think nothing is better.
You could cut and paste theses arguments from a 2016 primary thread, so it's amazing to me that we've lived through the last two years and this conversation is still taking place.
You lack foresight, without the will to sacrifice ground so you can strengthen community. You're a cynic and a quitter.
There'll never be a comprehensive plan for black advancement because there'll be no party to allow such an advancement. You want Democrats to work for black communities yet you won't encourage communities to vote for them because you're not getting magical one 10 word long solutions.
You have a party with record number blacks and the first transgender candidate running, and only a spitting distance away from serving in congress, senate, governorship, and so on. A progressive (dare I say a left-wing tea party) party pushing the Democrats more left than ever before, talking about Police reform, automatic voter registration, removal of gerrymandering, Dismantling and replacing ICE.
And to their opposite is a party hellbent on restricting voter rights to not just blacks, but Hispanics and whomever else would vote Democratic (Aka, a party more in your favor).
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/07/poll-prri-voter-suppression/565355/
https://slate.com/news-and-politics...epublican-ploy-to-suppress-black-turnout.html
A party that sends death threats to black athletes for using their 1st amendment rights.
https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/21/sport/colin-kaepernick-death-threats/index.html
A party that calls in Nike call centers and yells profanities at them for things outside their control.
https://www.newsweek.com/nike-call-...-supporters-just-do-it-protest-racist-1112959
Lets Trump get away with calling black countries shitholes (Can you imagine what he calls US Black Neighborhoods?).
Dog Jones may be a red state Democrat, but even through gerrymandering, the black vote is what helped him clench narrow victory. Now would would have been better for the black community? Moore, a life long racist and accused pedophile who is known to break the law and has been removed from government positions for breaking the law, or Jones who successfully prosecuted in the 1968 terrorist attack on a church in Birmingham and has introduced legislation to re-open Civil Rights era cold case?
Thank god for black women in Alabama, because they're the backbone of Alabama.
Your cause is a lost cause if you choose to let the only party that'll let you advance your cause fail. While you allow a party to let people get away with calling the police on you for having a BBQ or being at the pool.
I mean he came in with a troll comment to begin with and continued from there.
If you don't vote, you are either selfish, uninformed or a combination of the two. There is no other option.
Cool.
Lets get real. One of these motherfukers is going to be elected. It's going to happen. Unless we all explode tomorrow this is the truth. It is inexorable. Now, I understand you have major problems with both political parties but those problems don't change the outcome of anything that is going to happen which will effect not only you but everyone int he black community that you care about so much. I can tell that Black empowerment is very important to you and is your number 1 issue but the reality is there are multiple dimensions of repercussions and consequences that could happen with this election that are important too whether you feel they are or they aren't doesn't matter. You are saying that all of the consequences of possibly electing Ted Cruz, which include confirming supreme court justices, bills on healthcare, overseeing investigations on a committee. All of this is less important than your protest because you feel democrats are not 100% on your side. You know that Ted Cruz is not only not on your side hes against your side dude. You may not be voting for him... but you are not helping him lose. The candidates dont stay home because you do.
Elections have consequences for EVERYONE. There is nothing democrats can do to pay back the black community if they have no power, the ones that owe you are the republicans that have been in power and have done everything they can to suppress you, and the way you want to fight back is to do what Republicans have been trying to get you to do for decades which is stay home. Dont get played. If you stay home Ted Cruz will thank you.
Well that's true. It was pretty obvious how this was going to go. I guess my point was, the poster was never actually looking for a discussion, just make a statement without challenge, so I see your point. But given that they stuck around, I guess I don't think they have crossed some kind of a line, even if I disagree with them completely or they are being disingenuous. It's why I ignore certain posters. It's not so much that I don't want to hear opposing opinions, it's that people don't really want to be opposed anyway and if they do it's usually for a reason but it's not to learn.
getting bombarded with quoted posts, is either an indicator you've said something brilliant, or something incredible stupid. I'll let you be the judge which your posts fall under.
I know i can do very little to change your mind, but I want to tell you that, if you dont want to vote because of democrats not helping the black community, do it because of every minority that gets closer to equality because of democrats.
With democrats, many states have enabled legal protections so that trans people cant be fired for being trans
With democrats, gay marriage was legalized and gays in general can treat their sexuality as something less taboo
With democrats, hispanic immigrants like some of my cousins could get a path to residence via DACA
With democrats agender or non binaries can have "other" as their gender in their ID card (in Portland).
Not voting means that you are ok with all of those things poofing away, because you and I KNOW that republicans hate them and would get rid of them if possible.
And yeah, democrats are pretty bad as a party all things considered, but progress has been happening thanks to them and making them more progressive from the inside is a lot more pragmatic than not voting because of protest. One achieves tangible results and the other one doesnt.
Minorities would thank you for voting, I certainly would.
No candidate is going to read out every detail of every bill they'd like to pass. Most americans won't understand them, and even if they did it wouldn't matter because those bills will have to be changed before they become laws.
Edit: all I'll say is even after all people here have shown you, I ask that you attend a Beto town hall if you can, or that you at least vote for the down ticket like Killer Mike suggests in that clip you posted.
This thread isn't about one person and their political views, so please get back on topic. A warning has been issued and we would like to move on. Thank you!
In other news, the turtle is worried about this race and wants people to donate. They need the senate majority to push through Trump's judges!
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/11/mit...n-tough-senate-race-against-beto-orourke.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/11/mit...n-tough-senate-race-against-beto-orourke.html
Nevermind, just saw the mod post.
Hopefully he reverts back to primordial goo and sinks back into the deepest depths of the ocean.
And the ones that have cropped up in the last decade or so have been just as bad if not worse than the GOP.
The message these politicians are getting is not too help you because you don't vote. Not using your vote isn't going to help your situation.
I just want to question what you are doing then to make a difference for the black community. Are you writing out your demands and sending them to your local and state officials? Are you protesting? Are you involved in any political activity at all like helping with a campaign that's close to your beliefs? If none of the above then you have no room to speak at all about not voting.
Sorry just saw the mod edit
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Didn't see the mod post my bad.
I wish a Beto could show up here in Oklahoma, every day I hear people(in my admittedly more liberal college town) complaining about the status quo of total Republican control, but no one ever seems interested in doing anything about it.
I gotta get out of here.
I wish a Beto could show up here in Oklahoma, every day I hear people(in my admittedly more liberal college town) complaining about the status quo of total Republican control, but no one ever seems interested in doing anything about it.
I gotta get out of here.
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The party is changing because people of color are sick of Democrats taking them for granted.
You're watching history being made with minorities and women beating the shit out of the establishment. You have to know that. They are running on minority issues, and winning.
Sitting out is weird, considering the brown wave. It's being a part of history all over the nation. Folks died so u could have a voice for your people.
Beto might be faking the funk. But that's better than negative effort from the gop. A negative effort that results in worse treatment of minorities.
On topic. I live in the DFW area and I am now seeing a tsunami of Beto signs everywhere I look. In fact the house at the front of my neighborhood had a Cruz sign earlier this year and now has a Beto sign. His name is fucking everywhere.
Even better? There is not a SINGLE Cruz sign in my entire town.
Even better? There is not a SINGLE Cruz sign in my entire town.
Excellent. Would love to see signs of this tweet everywhere as well lol.
We are working hard. So is Beto. I have yet to see any Cruz ads or signs, but I have seen Beto ads and signs all over.
Even in FW? Seriously? I thought FW leaned heavy right.
That's FANTASTIC news if so
Yeah FW is one of the few big cities that consistently votes GOP.
I live in one of the smaller towns that hug the edge of Fort Worth. Not sure which way the town generally leans though. But yeah not a Cruz sign in sight.
Outside of my Liberal bubble and bastions of liberalism like DFW and Austin, I'm just not seeing a lot of enthusiasm for Cruz even in the areas where his base resides.
I'm reminded of the most recent special election in Alabama where the biggest reason for Roy Moore's historic loss to Doug Jones was extremely low and unenthusiastic voter turnout from his base. Ted Cruz was (is?) the most despised person in Republican politics for a long time so it wouldn't shock me if we see a similar thing happen here.
It'll be fun to watch.
I'm reminded of the most recent special election in Alabama where the biggest reason for Roy Moore's historic loss to Doug Jones was extremely low and unenthusiastic voter turnout from his base. Ted Cruz was (is?) the most despised person in Republican politics for a long time so it wouldn't shock me if we see a similar thing happen here.
It'll be fun to watch.
This is the way I see it. If my choices are either the guy who hates my guts, or the guy who doesn't outworldly hate my guts and I agree with him on 90% of the issues he is addressing, I'm voting for the guy who I agree with 90% of the time.
To not vote means I am allowing the guy who hates me a chance to win, and that doesn't help me at all.
Tarrant County elected Wendy Davis. Texas is realistically only about 55% Red. It's just carved up to hell. I want to say Austin has 6 districts that extend so far out as to include other major cities. I live around North FW and have yet to see a single Cruz sign out on display.
That is insanely dumb.,not voting because you don't have perfect precludes that better isn't good. You vote more for better then you keep getting better.
fucking ignorance and instant gratification
Right. Fort Worth itself is actually light blue. I mean, Clinton beat Trump in the city of FW. The problem is that Tarrant County (ie. the mid-cities, Keller, Colleyville, and the rural areas) is so red that it makes it seem like Fort Worth is red to people who don't know the region.