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RudiJ

Member
Oct 28, 2017
251
Went to a Smash tourney at uni once and while there were plenty of normal enough folks there were definitely plenty of the folks OP mentions too. At one point one guy lost a game and threw his controller at a wall before storming off like a child after realising it had broken. A couple of the tourney organisers around him said stuff like "It's okay bro, rage happens". I regularly shit on gamer culture because it's basically just shitloads of normalised childish, destructive, or outwardly offensive behaviour and I think it needs to be fought against.
 

Fart Master

Prophet of Truth
The Fallen
Oct 28, 2017
10,323
A dumpster
I don't tell people I play video games due to this and the fact that everyone in programming courses talk like the only social contact they've ever had is on the internet luckily the professors keep them in line but still.

Op arguing with an idiot like that is pointless just stay clear of those nerds so you don't scare off girls.
 

Karasseram

Member
Jan 15, 2018
1,358
Gamers are really people who has avoided growing up. Just sitting there playing games instead of taking responsibility for themselves and their surroundings so it's far from surprising when they act like 12 year old anti-social pricks.
 

snail_maze

Member
Oct 27, 2017
974
Yeah, I don't mention games as a hobby of mine unless it comes up in conversation or I lump it in with sth else like movies or so because of this
 

Murkas

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
615
I've been a games developer for more than a decade and I've often told people I'm not really into games.

When the Xbox 360 launched it asked people to self define as 'hardcore' or 'casual' etc. I don't remember what the description text was, but hardcore gamer sounded like the worst human being. Even though I was living in a house with ten consoles and two arcade machines, I chose 'casual'.

I've always avoided online gaming for this reason. It's a playground that rewards the worst behaviour.

Hahaha yes, the "gamer zone" types. Completely forgot the 360 had this shit.

Recreation
This zone is designed for gamers that just want to have fun. You may be a recreation gamer if:

  • You only have one Xbox 360™, and it stays in the living room. For the most part.
  • You like to meet new people and talk about the latest movies, music, and (of course) video games.
  • You only venture into ranked games by accident.
  • You treat every day like Casual Friday.
  • You think keeping score is only fun when you're winning.
  • You are physically capable of leaving mid-game if you need A) food, B) a restroom, or C) to go to work.
Pro
The Pro gamer is the truly hardcore gamer, who is there to win. You may pro gamer if:

  • You automatically mute the "human beat box" gamers and you automatically boot the "trash-talking chucklehead" gamers.
  • You've actually won real prize money in videogame competitions.
  • You never play anything but ranked games, and your rank has never gone anywhere but up.
  • You check leaderboards for games that aren't even playable online.
  • You own griefer insurance. Which, if you don't have it, is quite a deal and I would be happy to assist you if it existed.
Family
The family zone is one for those 'kids of all ages' hang out. You may be a family gamer if:

  • You require a parent and/or guardian to set up your Xbox LIVE account.
  • You're playing a game with your Mom/Grandma/rich Aunt and want to maintain a wholesome atmosphere.
  • Covenant Brutes give you nightmares, literally.
  • You have kids, are a kid, or never stopped being a kid.
  • You knitted four matching wireless controller cozies, one for each member of your household. With love, of course.
Underground
The underground is where anything goes. You may be a undeground gamer if:

  • You are the "human beat box" or "trash-talking chucklehead" (and proud of it).
  • You rock with extreme vengeance and other totally intense buzzwords.
  • People shout "griefer!" and you say "Yeah, whaddaya want?"
  • You take out whole teams online. Including your team.
  • You'd rather get revenge than win.

Embarrassing lmao.
 

TheRulingRing

Banned
Apr 6, 2018
5,713
I haven't had this much, and I know a lot of people who play games irl.

Pretty much all of these people I've known as friends or acquaintances before I knew them as "gamers" though, and I only found out they play games later.

There are even a few times where my friends have invited their friends to play with us, and I became friends with them over the game and then irl too.

I don't think I've ever gone to specifically seek out "gamers" though, and I imagine people who do that wouldn't really be people I'd like hanging around with. Maybe that's your problem/mistake here OP?
 

Mark1

Member
Oct 30, 2017
2,006
Yeah throughout my time at school found some gamers to be quite unpleasant.

I wasn't out at the time, so wasn't great to hear them make "gay" jokes during matches or whenever someone would play a character of the same sex (like Chris Redfield for example). Even when they said it wasn't to be offensive towards people under the LGBT umbrella, I was still a bit uncomfortable and still kept quiet about my sexual preferences.

Have found "some" adult gamers to be more pleasant though, some of them are more inclusive and good sports. Can also point that I am out to most at this time, including them

Go with some of them to the gym several days a week. With others we now enjoy playing playing various multiplayer games and no deragotary terms if they lose

I feel a lot of the worst gamers are ones with a far lower IQ, have the fear of the unknown and refuse to be more open minded. To cover up for their own insecurities, especially in CoD or Fifa communities.

Or they just need to grow up
 
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Al3x1s

Banned
Nov 13, 2017
2,824
Greece
Sounds like your average jerk to me, whether he's a gamer, a jock, a revhead or whatever else doesn't change that, where do you come off with the gaming correlation there? You already pointed out one other guy who also gamed, and yourself as well, who also games, seemed against such views. You two are gamers too. Would you speak up against that behaviour in a different environment? If so, why not there? If not, why's gaming the one you point out? And how is smoking him in DBFZ for being whatever that other word you wrote means good retaliation? You didn't speak your views up so your views didn't win over the jerk's just because you beat him. What if he was better at the game than you, would that make his views more important, or have them prevail over yours and make you question yourself? Come on.


Universal rule number 1: if someone self-identifies as a "Gamer" run away. As far as you can, instantly without any second thoughts.
Seems like the OP projected the gamer label there. I mean, if some random asks me about myself I won't call myself a gamer just as I wouldn't call myself a golfer if I happened to play golf, there's no single thing that defines me. Maybe when I was a kid I'd say something like that, not much defined me back then. If someone asks me if I'm a gamer however, then I have no choice by to say yes. I'm not gonna go on a rant about jerks and how I'm totally not like them just because I play games, that's all the term means, to play games, it really sucks to have it turn into some negative term about douchebags, racists, whatever. Call them that, that they happen to game as well is completely irrelevant. What am I gonna say if I'm asked about hobbies, that I'm a game-phil or something to distance myself from a simple word? I mean, in my language we don't have one word to say that, to say gamer, I'd have to say I play video games, I see no reason to beat around the bush and use similar phrasing in English as well to avoid the racist/jerk/sexist/misogynist/whatever label people want to associate in 1:1 with that these days. Just as we shouldn't beat around the bush and call all those things gamer. Gamer means to play games, these days tons of people are, whether you wanna call them that or not, whether they avoid the term because of the forced connotations or not.

Since the OP is anecdotal I'll say my gamer friends back in the day weren't like that either, just your average geek. Generally smart, quiet and calm kids who wouldn't hurt a fly or spend their day judging skin colors and sexual orientation, though the odd gay joke did leak in our circle given society at the time, just as I imagine many here must have been around someone who wasn't a total jerk but still at one point in his early life said a joke involving blondes. or something. Life happened and there's distance between most of us though I also have an online group I still hang out with, a handful of people for the past 20 or so years who occasionally play some new coop game together but generally mostly just discuss games rather than play them, and none of them are such jerks either.
 
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enkaisu

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,414
Pittsburgh
Lately it feels like these types of people outnumber the cool and chill kind and it's honestly making me resent games and gaming.
 
Nov 4, 2017
7,349
I think young men are just generally shitheads, OP. I used to use words like "Faggot", "retard" and other disgusting words I'd never use now when I was in my late teens/early twenties. I'm not trying to "not all gamers" you or anything, I just think you'd find the same shitty behaviour in a group of young dudes who were jocks, rev heads, otakus or identify with any other subculture.

It sucks that the opportunity to try and meet some new people with similar interests was marred by such obscenity though.
 

Gradon

Saw the truth behind the copied door
Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,464
UK
I'm gay, the majority of my friends who play games are women, gay men or straight men who work in the games industry. None are toxic like some 'gamer' types you see online or play with in multiplayer games.
The people who I was friends with or worked with who were like this and said shit like that were immediately unfriended.
 

mrpookles

Member
Oct 29, 2017
213
Who are these people?
How do you even meet them? Engage with randos at GameStops or conventions?

IDK this whole "gamer" shit is pretty stupid, unless dumb online trolls outweigh millions of nice, harmless people who call "gaming" a hobby of theirs.

People I've met at parties, etc.

Hit too close to the mark for you?
 

dock

Game Designer
Verified
Nov 5, 2017
1,367
What I'm trying to say is; I could find 50 gamers who are complete scumbags just as easy as finding 50 wonderful people who play video games.
AKA every match of Fortnite.
Awful people in games tend to be so loud and visible. Decent people (like the OP) just keep quiet and leave. Games give nothing for decent behaviour.
 

Andy Mac

Banned
Jun 28, 2018
217
No but it's not gamers who are the problem. It's "gamers". Like the difference between anime fans and "anime fans"

How do you tell the difference?

From your OP the things this dude was ranting about are essentially right-wing talking points right?

Deriding the idea of cultural appropriation, defending the use of slurs, using "triggered" and "SJW" in that way. Seems like all right wing stuff to me.

So I guess the question is if gaming has a wider right wing appeal maybe?

I mean for sure we are not going to say ALL gamers are right wing cos that's daft.

It just feels to me like the difference between gamers and "gamers" is that "gamers" are right wingers?

It's not just that we use "gamers" to describe asshole gamers since there are plenty of left wing assholes who take their political views a bit too far. That lady who was fired from Arena Net a few months back acted like a total asshole but we are not calling her a "Gamer".

Are we reserving "Gamers" for people who play games and whose brand of assholery is right leaning?
 

Lentic

Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,835
The coolest "gamers" I've met are the ones who you can't tell play games. The people whose entire identity is tied to one particular thing are insufferable though. There are the fanatics like OP described and also nerds who try to one up each other every other second. I like to stay away from those kinds of people.
 

Wulfram

Member
Mar 3, 2018
1,478
Went to a Smash tourney at uni once and while there were plenty of normal enough folks there were definitely plenty of the folks OP mentions too. At one point one guy lost a game and threw his controller at a wall before storming off like a child after realising it had broken. A couple of the tourney organisers around him said stuff like "It's okay bro, rage happens". I regularly shit on gamer culture because it's basically just shitloads of normalised childish, destructive, or outwardly offensive behaviour and I think it needs to be fought against.

Seems like people want Tennis to adopt a similar attitude to those organisers.
 

Lekyl

Member
Nov 15, 2017
57
Wow, I'm sorry to hear that. At my place of work, gamers tend to be the nicest people. (I live in a different country though)
 

Hercule

Member
Jun 20, 2018
5,384
Is it hip these days to distant yourself of being a gamer? Of course there are rotten apples but you have them in every Fandom.

I love games and most people that I know that play games are really nice people.
 

Zelretch

Member
Oct 25, 2017
621
That is my experience with the majority of the "gamer" groups i have found. There are nice people there, but there is also a lot of toxic people than push the others to more toxic behavoirs, and the ones that don't go there still do nothing about others' toxicity. It is more problematic for me since i'm studying to become a game designer and i'm surrounded by this kind of people, maybe is just that i'm unlucky but after hearing things that happen in the industry it makes too much sense that this happens in university too. I have never felt more uncomfortable than in a presentation about "Women in videogames" made by 7 white guys. So yeah, there are good gamers but i think it is more likely than not to find toxic morons in this hobby and that is why i stick only to people outside of videogames that enjoy them casually.
 

astro

Member
Oct 25, 2017
56,887
Gaming is probably the only hobby I have where it's almost a 50/50 shot the new person I meet is going to use a racial/bigoted/sexist slur in the first few minutes of conversation, at the very least.

I've also (aside from Era) never once found a gaming community where people could have conversations about things like identity politics in a positive way without at least half the group shouting them down for a variety of bigoted reasons.
 

LuisGarcia

Banned
Oct 31, 2017
3,478
I've been to plenty of gaming events and never heard this shit.

Resetera really likes to paint a large amount of people with the same brush. Ironic really.

There are a lot of asshole gamers and there are lot of nice gamers. Like pretty much every other community going .
 

Black_Stride

Avenger
Oct 28, 2017
7,387
Come to a third world country like mine.


Every gamer other than the super rich ones treat each other like they are a godsend, because to some extent they are.

Other than forums its very very rare to have any sort of gaming-centric conversation esp if you finished college.....everyone around you is "gaming is for kids" ....grow up and be an adult.
So when you meet any gamers you almost immediately become best friends.....there are dicks who still exist, but in general they are very nice people who are just happy to be able to enjoy the thrills and spills of gaming with someone who "gets it".

Also because the cost of gaming is so high (comparatively) you find that most gamers here are happy to meet other gamers because then we can share games......console swaps are so common when I went to the west I was sure this was just the norm so when I asked for a PS3/Xbox 360 swap everyone looked at me like I was insane.

And because the communities are generally pretty small, assholes get spotted very quickly and you rarely find them invited to events.
 

NameUser

Member
Oct 25, 2017
13,980
With Trump and Gamergate still in effect I just avoid talking to most random people IRL because I'll get into an argument with them if they support that shit. Like, I don't respect anyone who doesn't think Trump is racist. I always say, "Okay, well define racism for me. If he isn't then what is?"
 

Harkins1721

Banned
Jan 11, 2018
165
You didn't slap that crap down right away? Silence is giving permission!! But no I don't run into this problem. Most of the gamers I meet through Smash events are fine. Or they're super thin or big and to slow to move so they couldn't do anything even if they tried.
 
Oct 29, 2017
458
It's hit or miss.

I still have some difficulty describing myself as a "gamer" to other people who I suspect don't have as much exposure to video games. In the few times that I have bumped into other people that share the hobby, they seem to also confess having the same issue disclosing this kind of mutual fun thing to do given that there's still relatively widespread negative stigma where I'm from.

However, in those circumstances, those same people that I usually run into have been fairly normal and likeable people. It's those who choose to wear the label on their sleeves and go about parading it that seem to cause the greatest issue about the place.
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,114
i don't have very real many life gamer friends, but every time I walk into a GameStop I thank god I can talk to people online without having to actually see, or smell them. Some gamers are total slobs and I would never associate with them IRL.

On a side note, a lot of streamers I see are people I would be friends with. How come I never run into people like them?
 

PCPace

Member
Oct 30, 2017
1,841
Alabama
There was a gaming Cafe I liked to go to and I went to it for about six months. People there were cool, respectful, interesting. Over time I did notice certain regulars disappear.

Then one day the owner in the interest of "full transparency" posted text messages between him and a girl regular (I didn't even recognize her name, must have come on different nights) where she said he had sexually harassed her and she wouldn't be returning. These screenshots included her number. Basically, he sexually harassed and doxxed a customer in the business group chat. By the time I saw this a couple people had already called him out on it. I posted a large rant explaining how toxic his behavior was and how men needed to be better especially in a position of leadership. Then his wife joined the chat and basically said "this is a place for positivity if you can't be positive you aren't welcome". So I left, as did a few others. Was very disappointed to see the large majority in the chat more mad at people for calling the owner out on his actions than mad at him.

It turned out the regulars that had disappeared had all give earlier because of the owners behavior before it had been made public.
 

Deleted member 37739

User requested account closure
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Jan 8, 2018
908
I've been to plenty of gaming events and never heard this shit.

Resetera really likes to paint a large amount of people with the same brush. Ironic really.

There are a lot of asshole gamers and there are lot of nice gamers. Like pretty much every other community going .

Basically this... most of my closest friends these days work in the industry and count themselves as 'gamers' in some form or another and, honestly, they're about the most liberally-minded, socially-progressive group I've ever spent time with.
 

Andy Mac

Banned
Jun 28, 2018
217
Gaming is probably the only hobby I have where it's almost a 50/50 shot the new person I meet is going to use a racial/bigoted/sexist slur in the first few minutes of conversation, at the very least.

I've also (aside from Era) never once found a gaming community where people could have conversations about things like identity politics in a positive way without at least half the group shouting them down for a variety of bigoted reasons.

Jeez, I read comments like this and I wonder who the hell you people are hanging out with! :)

I go to quite a lot of social events centered around running, cinema and gaming and I can honestly say that gaming is the one with the most welcoming people and least amount of "gatekeeping". Generally folks will try to help each other find games that are right for them. Cinema is VERY elitist and running is probably the worst of all for people being rude, backstabbing politics and general over-competitiveness.

On all fronts though I think I could count on one hand the number of times in the last 3 years when I've heard someone use a racial/bigoted/sexist slur AT ALL never mind someone I've just met. They must be doing that stuff in private (I am sure some of them are).

Honestly, I think there are way to many people on Resetera who have a weird determination to smear "Gamers" as some horrible group of people. It's all based on anecdotes where nameless faceless individuals have supposedly said X, Y and Z. No proof of course. Just cool stories... bro.

Just to be totally clear and unambiguous here, I am calling you a liar and I think the OP is made up BS too. Happy to retract if there is proof though.
 
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AnansiThePersona

AnansiThePersona

Started a revolution but the mic was unplugged
Member
Oct 27, 2017
15,682
why would you do that, lol?

might as well put a sticky note to your forehead saying "don't have sex with this man" for the rest of your college time

in a world where gamergate exists, i would think most people who don't hold these kind of views would be too ashamed to publicly show off to the world that they game

a venn diagram would show a pretty large overlap between "people with problematic views" and "people who game in the college gaming room"
Lmaoooo you have great points but I like Overwatch man. And I thought I'd be able to dig through the haystack a bit.
 
Jun 26, 2018
3,829
I wish we could separate the hobby from what these people really are: Bigots, homophobes and worse.

Maybe one day there'll be so much lbgtq and minority representation in games that they'll all be forced to boycott every game in order to protect their fragile sensibilities.
 

Jolkien

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,758
Anchorage/Alaska
Working for an ISP call center in Montreal it's not just gamer. Its a lot of society as a whole.

Gamer do are the worst kind of customer. Every single time there's some issue it's all I'm getting ddosed. Spoiler alert it never happened to me that it was.

There is also a lot of good people out there. I do meet a lot more gamer online than in person but they've all been kind. I know and don't engage those that appear shity I have no desire to deal with that stuff.
 

Andy Mac

Banned
Jun 28, 2018
217
Then I'm not even going to bother having a conversation with you past this post, because I'm not lying and you're being weirdly rude about this.

"Gaming is probably the only hobby I have where it's almost a 50/50 shot the new person I meet is going to use a racial/bigoted/sexist slur in the first few minutes of conversation, at the very least."

So HALF of everyone you've ever met in Gaming (HALF!) has used a racial/bigoted/sexist slur in THE FIRST FEW MINUTES of a conversations.

Half? In the first few minutes?

Bull. Shit.
 

GamingRobioto

Member
May 18, 2018
1,350
Exeter, UK
I find that people who are mainly multiplayer gamers are so different to myself that it feels weird putting us under the game umbrella as 'gamers'. Unfortunately this is where most of these 'assholes' I have met come from and is one of the reasons I don't play MP much anymore.
 

astro

Member
Oct 25, 2017
56,887
"Gaming is probably the only hobby I have where it's almost a 50/50 shot the new person I meet is going to use a racial/bigoted/sexist slur in the first few minutes of conversation, at the very least."

So HALF of everyone you've ever met in Gaming (HALF!) has used a racial/bigoted/sexist slur in THE FIRST FEW MINUTES of a conversations.

Half? In the first few minutes?

Bull. Shit.

Not bullshit in the slightest, this has been my experience outside of Era.

Stop talking to me now please if you can't have an adult conversation about this.