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Yeah, though there's a debate as to whether its him or Decidueye.
Then what even started this craze the past couple of days lol? Was he mentioned in a "leak" or something?
Yeah, that's a fair point! I think Smash is different things to different people, you know? Almost every fighter is changed to fit into Smash Bros, just look at someone like Captain Falcon. So, yeah, Ridley was more true to his character in Brawl, but does that mean he shouldn't be in as a fighter? No, and I think more people are happy than not about his inclusion.
I think we agree, the only point I'm trying to make is that just because Sakurai makes a rule or says something that doesn't mean the community is wrong for opposing him, because art.
One of his stans posted his tragic and adorable pokedex bio, and then people started converting
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okay but what % of players even care about comp? cause last time i checked it wasn't that much
Not really, Gen 7 so far doesn't have a clear front runner in terms of popularity, Incineroar became more of a thing over time due to him playing a significant role in some of the marketing
Yup. I mean it's a starter but it's not really the most Online Popular one
Sorry my man Green Mamba but you got bodied this time
And hey, you know it happens, but Incineroar too fire
damn
deciding that certain characters aren't suitable for the game you're currently making definitely isn't the same as thinking you can't make them work
Brawl's focus on its big dumb story mode probably had more to do with keeping Villager out than anything else
do people commonly think Greninja wasn't a really unique newcomer? I legit cant understand this
I do tbh. Felt way too similar to the playstyle of Shiek, but more knockback-centric. /s
Incineroar took the lead because rumors shot down Decidueye, Mimikyu (who was later shot down for real), & Lycanroc.
What about the fact that we already have 50 brawlers ? I'm sorry, but Incineroar would add nothing of value to the present roster.
Well Incineroar wasn't people's first choice. We've been hearing alot of rumblings about getting another Pokemon character but initially everyone thought it would be Decidueye. Granted the reason why people gravitated towards him was pretty shallow as most people thought he's be likely because of his Pokken appearance.
Then Vergeben who is probably one of the more credible Smash Ultimate leakers said Decidueye wouldn't be playable alongside Lycanroc and Mimikyu. Mimikyu ended up getting deconfirmed in the Smash Direct. Verg also implied the Pokemon might be Incineroar but he kind of back tracked on it or at least isn't willing to confirm if it's him.
To compound Incineroar's chances people are speculating that Ash's Torracat is probably going to evolve into Incineroar soon so he would have a prominent Anime appearance. Which funnily enough people are claiming his inclusion would be different than the other mons but if people are right then Incineroar would be another Pokemon they added because he had a prominent role in the anime.
I dunno man, a lot? They clearly still balance their games around it and Sho-... wifi clearly has a lot of traffic.
Greninja's implementation was baaaad
Super generic and dull. Didn't at all capture the "essence" of the character, and it had a lot of dumb gimmick moves.
Big disappointment for me, tbh.
Who's that obscure Nintendo character #68?
i see my parents
what's the diagnosis, dr. j-tier
what do you mean by similar to sheik and knockback centric?
All of Greninjas special moves bar maybe water shuriken function in a way that's fresh to the series, and his normals alternate between kicks, punches, tongue and water swords which is a huge variety. Even their throw hold animation being water ninjitsu, and the taunt having a knockback on it were fun quirks.
notice the /s. I don't actually agree. He just needed a buff or two
You forgot Owliver Queen
Man, Decidueye is such a good design. Easily my favourite starter evolution in a long time. I love pretty much every Gen 7 Pokemon except Incineroar so it's bumming me out that he's the most likely choice
Name one wrestling-based moveset in Smash. Name one heel wrestling-based moveset in Smash.
i guess rumors as well, though i wouldn't say that Mimikyu not being playable proves it
Aside from some cool specials, he does feel a little like "generic ninja fighter" that you'd see in a dozen fighting games.
Compared to someone like Primarina, he's not that unique.
damnit, im drunk so sarcasm is really difficult. I mained them in smash 4 and got a lot of props from the scene because nobody else bothered playing them.
as far as Ninja go, its about as unique as I can think of.
We're going to get Decidueye because that's how it goes in wrestling.
Heel takes the lead because of shenanigans (rumors) and the babyface (decidueye) gets knocked down. But in the end the face is victorious in an underdog victory at the last second and the crowd cheers triumphantly.
I did root for a lot of heels when I still watched. Some things never change
Heel takes the lead because of shenanigans (rumors) and the babyface (decidueye) gets knocked down. But in the end the face is victorious in an underdog victory at the last second and the crowd cheers triumphantly.
wasn't greninja one of the few characters that only got nerfs when he got updates at all
even though he very aggressively did not need nerfs
Yeah, I love his design but I keep forgetting he's even in Smash. I could probably count the number of times I played as him on one hand
They fixed the recovery move so it doesn't bounce off the edge to his doom (which cost me a 2 stocks in a tournament set), but yeah Sakurai hated Greninja for some reason.
Decidueye could have an incredibly derivative moveset, so could Incineroar. Or they could be super unique and creative. Speculating on whether or not a character deserves to get in based on a bad moveset you imagine is silly.
Moveset-wise Greninja was one of the more boring inclusions in Smash 4. Its moveset is pretty standard yet also feels kind of weird to use, probably because of its poor frame data.
You're clearly suffering from a rare kind of delusion. If not treated soon enough, you may get compulsions to drink extreme amounts of OJ. I recommend a strict fish diet.
Greninja was proof that I absolutely cannot play hardcore rush down characters. Never had a character in smash so far from how I play. Shame too because I realy like the pokemon.
Incineroar always goes over, brother.
He's more unique than Ryu in DoA or Kage in VF, but he's no Strider or Answer.
This has always been so weird to me. Like if you played as Waddle Dee would you ever once think "wow it is refreshing to use a character with a spear weapon instead of a brawler"? Like in my mind that's not a real thought.
It's like you're trying to write a book report about something you hated but have to say nice things about. "Waddle Dee uses a spear, which is unique"
Whats standard about the moveset? even their counter is omnidirectional which is something I wish more characters had
hey, when you do things that confuse the commentators you're a pretty successful Ninja
Tongue fighting I cant even think of another example outside of Tao from Dragonball, and the water weapons were cool enough that the anime straight up used them.
Greninja's got no real gimmick to him, unlike many of the other Smash 4 newcomers. That's not to say he's not original, but he doesn't stand out at all in that way.
I was such a goddamn fool to think I was the most prominent Decidueye nicknamer
I have been put to proper shame for my hubris today
There's no unique hook or mechanic to its moveset. Not necessarily a bad thing, but it kind of stands out when most of the smash 4 newcomers did have something like that. Shadow Sneak is the most interesting move it has IMO but its not quite enough for me.
I think its more of a case of being a sum of all parts. The fighting style is obviously one of a kind because of its weird ass design, but being fast and technical was what got me to main him coming from melee. Hydropump was more unique than Shadow Sneak imo being almost like a reverse pikachu quick attack but with a windbox that you could use as a projectile from the ground. Like I dont have many replays from when I used to play but i did find one where I was using it that way.
The counter too being omnidirectional let you go for some crazy mixups.
Like, what was Lil macs hook? having a meter for a strong punch? or being shit in the air? I dont think that made him more unique.
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We're going to wind up getting an old popular Pokemon like Blaziken, Gardevoir, Gengar or date I say Blastoise.
Won't even be a gen 7.
Won't even be a gen 7.
Hey, don't let it get you down. Nicknaming Pokémon is an art and it takes time and experience to master, but as long as you find pride in your names and are able to acknowledge to quality of other names, you'll get there.
Honestly its great to have characters that dont rely on gimmicks. Most of teh gimmick characters were underpowered or overpowered because of their gimmicks. Like little mac is a tough character to balance because of his all ground, no air gimmick + KO punch.
Greninja was a mostly well rounded character and I thought he was great to play and was a very flexible character in battle.
Greninja was a mostly well rounded character and I thought he was great to play and was a very flexible character in battle.
I ironically like Greninja exponentially more in Smash than I do as a Pokemon (usually it's the opposite). Though in a lot of ways I guess it feels close to other quick, technical characters like Sheik, I really dig its water-swords that it uses for smashes and aerials. Still quite lukewarm on it in general I guess. I'm still really waiting for a popular Pokemon that I really love to make it in.
Pls no more Gen 1 that's all I ask
I will take this experience and learn from it by naming my new shiny Bewear after its very own Ability
Pls no more Gen 1 that's all I ask
I will take this experience and learn from it by naming my new shiny Bewear after its very own Ability
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