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Coming up with actual substantial criticisms for why certain bipedal fantasy animals Are Bad is actually really hard, especially with pokemon because they're usually so consistent and solid
Tried to do it with charizard once and quickly realized it was kinda just on me haha
Tried to do it with charizard once and quickly realized it was kinda just on me haha
Woah woah woah, we literally have 2 characters with wings and a bow & arrow
Having a similar motif to 3 other Pokemon doesn't make it a terrible design. That's still some heavy hyperbole, and if you're studying drawing like I am you probably know why that's just not true.
There was a shitshow when they showed the water line for Sun and Moon
Popplio was "too ugly" and Brionne was "too girly". Its tiresome and juvenile and maybe im too old to be playing these games.
I'm just waiting for the debates that Chibi Robo is too small.
Now, if you really want to get spooked, let me tell you about this thing. I call it, the music rule.
The Simon Belmont reveal trailer has ESRB rating RP - T
But the game currently has a E10+
Also how is Bowser's Final Smash going to be nerfed in Smash Meter when it clearly designed as an automatic KO screen.
But the game currently has a E10+
Also how is Bowser's Final Smash going to be nerfed in Smash Meter when it clearly designed as an automatic KO screen.
Can you really call it inane when even Sakurai said he was too big?
To be clear, since in that big chunk of words I realize I never clarified, none of these are an instance of what we're dealing with here. We never skipped a day of updates and then, 3 days after it came back, see there is a gap of 3. We may never know what caused the gap in update numbers, but they never missed a day. Vulpix one day as followed by Mario & his Memory the next, for example.
I think the gaps in the first 25 or so updates most interesting. The first like few days had a slew of updates, tells me there might have been more showfloor or weird misc updates (japan already had like 4 of those) that they decided were redundant or not needed. The Mario & Daisy filenames implies to me they have a backlog of shots ready to go. And the two "phantom" updates that had standard image uploads rather than the numbered updates.
I'll be curious if they just let the gap stay and update other files accordingly. I have no proof they didn't do that in other instances. For example...perhaps the memory for the newcomer will follow the standard numbering, rather than saying it's 136_1.
When the blog is "done" I'll be curious to go back and see if there's any weird items or stages skipped from the first two months that might have been planned for some of those gaps but skipped over for some reason. Or other such oddities
And how many fighters do we have with swords or fight with fists?
Owl anatomy is pretty out there, humans and cats have more in common anatomically.
If we are going by types then yeah sure. Primarina says otherwise. I'd rather have Mimikyu but we know how that went. Heck even Tapu Koko would be awesome.
It'll be nerfed like Marth's.
In that it won't be nerfed at all.
Just to be clear are you specifically taking umbrage with the word "terrible?" Would it have been better had I said "they could have done better?"
And I think that would be the reaction of someone if you showed them a fourth design that repeated what you had already done three times in the past--"You probably could have done better."
Ash has Incineroar. So, Incineroar takes precedence.
It happened three or four threads ago, lol. And yes, everybody responded (logically) with Olimar.
It's literally the polar opposite of that.
After being inundated with Fire/Fighting after Fire/Fighting, GameFreak was clearly aware that wouldn't tolerate another one, hence the typing. Its 2nd evolution form plays into the ruse, since it learns a bunch of Fighting-type moves. But thank God, Fire/Dark right? It goes further than that, though, since the Dark typing isn't some superficial addition. It's a "heel" and fights dirty and showboats constantly, which is great. And to top it off, it burns things by thrusting forward, which is hilarious and naughty but not in a gross way.
Anyway, I thought you could recognize craft, man.
I mean Ridley made it in Smash, so that debate amounted to nothing.
It just sounds like you're trying to portray it as being objectively bad. To me its like complaining about the reuse of lumbering grass starters with plants/flowers growing on their body and saying its been done too many times.
My point is that I don't think you can, point blank, say Decidueye makes the roster more diverse than Incineroar.
Decidueye could have an incredibly derivative moveset, so could Incineroar. Or they could be super unique and creative. Speculating on whether or not a character deserves to get in based on a bad moveset you imagine is silly.
Primarina would be the best starter pick because I want to see how they animate a Pokemon with no legs.
Gen VII you don't lose no matter what because they're all fun Pokemon designs. There's no real dud that nobody likes.
Gen VII you don't lose no matter what because they're all fun Pokemon designs. There's no real dud that nobody likes.
I don't think it amounted to nothing, just that the issue was less visible to the end user. Didn't Sakurai say something after Ridley was announced that they took special pains with the animations?
Listen
I need an owl, I need an archer, I need a Ghost-type. Decidueye just happens to be those things all wrapped in a Very Cool combination of what appears to be both pueo and (extinct) stilt owls, both native to Hawaii, with the added mysticism of the former's status as a common form of aumakua.
The hood? Amazing. The goggle markings around its eyes? Stupendous. The way it fires its feathers as arrows using a bowstring built into its wing? Just the bee's knees.
The fact that Robin Hoot and Juniper (pronounced like sniper) happen to be delightful nicknames are just a bonus.
All of the reasons that people get down on Inceneroar are not things I agree with in terms of its design as a Pokemon. But it is certainly a super-duper boring Smash pick for me.
I need an owl, I need an archer, I need a Ghost-type. Decidueye just happens to be those things all wrapped in a Very Cool combination of what appears to be both pueo and (extinct) stilt owls, both native to Hawaii, with the added mysticism of the former's status as a common form of aumakua.
The hood? Amazing. The goggle markings around its eyes? Stupendous. The way it fires its feathers as arrows using a bowstring built into its wing? Just the bee's knees.
The fact that Robin Hoot and Juniper (pronounced like sniper) happen to be delightful nicknames are just a bonus.
All of the reasons that people get down on Inceneroar are not things I agree with in terms of its design as a Pokemon. But it is certainly a super-duper boring Smash pick for me.
Creators are, kinda often, wrong or misguided about certain aspects of their own art. Smash fans see this in action a lot. Sakurai has misread the franchise more than a few times and, off the top of my head, his comments about Ridley's size, Villager's viability, competitive smash, and cutscenes being posted to youtube all come to mind.
I just can't understand the work of true masters I guess. They designed a fire and fighting Pokemon and then changed its type, those geniuses.
I think if I post something dumb like that about something as subjective as art I think we are all capable of understanding it's just one bad opinion, we can move on.
I remember IGN or somebody at E3 said Sakurai mentioned working to make Ridley's and Samus' height in relation to each other the same as in NES Metroid. Which is hilarious considering how brutally attacked Ridley supporters would get when they used that as a reason that he could be made to work.
Alright I think I'm starting to get it, anyway, I appreciate the effort.
Greninja's neat as a Pokemon but I always felt he's one of the duller characters added in Smash 4, I hope Ultimate, if it adds a new Pokemon (it doesn't need to and absolutely could get away without one, mind!), I hope they do something more interesting than just picking whatever starter evolution is being plugged in the anime again. Greninja didn't follow Lucario's trend, let's not follow Greninja's. Move to new avenues.
That's just hurtful.
Greninja was one of the most interesting additions to Smash 4..... like easily.
Using his tongue as an attack? Using water windboxes to push both himself and others around by shooting in the reverse direction? A counter that actually has variable approach angles depending on the direction held? Shadow Sneak is fucking cool too.
The smash moveset for greninja influenced the anime, not the other way around.
Using his tongue as an attack? Using water windboxes to push both himself and others around by shooting in the reverse direction? A counter that actually has variable approach angles depending on the direction held? Shadow Sneak is fucking cool too.
The smash moveset for greninja influenced the anime, not the other way around.
first off competitive variability isn't really a factor in a pokemon popularity, there's a bunch of popular pokemon that aren't competitive and vise visa
I mean
none of that was really wrong or misguided with the possible exception of the competitive stuff
Dang, and here I thought Hootendandy was good, though I guess only for Dartrix.
I also like how Torracat's arms are super-muscular compared to its legs. Basically telegraphing its macho final form, which as others have noted adopts the Dark-typing in a nod to its heel wrestler concept.
And being based on Tiger Mask is especially sweet, since Tiger Mask was a good heel who fought for an orphanage, which means Incineroar is a heel who fights for a colony of homeless Littens. D'awww. :-3
And being based on Tiger Mask is especially sweet, since Tiger Mask was a good heel who fought for an orphanage, which means Incineroar is a heel who fights for a colony of homeless Littens. D'awww. :-3
That's fine, we just disagree.
I think that applying any kind of made-up, internal rules for Smash characters is kinda silly and wholly unnecessary. Ridley and Villager prove that you're only limited by your creativity because, as we can see, they work.
They designed a wrestler Pokemon. It has a wrestling belt. It dive bombs. It lariats. It hypes itself up. There's nothing about it that conveys "yet another fighting type" outside of being muscular and fightey. Which hey, not exactly the best argument since we have plenty of fighting-types who aren't those things.
Like get outta here with that surface level shit, lmao.
Hmm, hes clearly made a few concessions regarding competitive smash, not unlike Nintendo regarding online gaming.
I mean, I don't disagree that Ridley as depicted in say, Brawl, is more true to his character than his depiction in Ultimate. Not say to Ridley shouldn't be in, since his fans don't seem to care, but I think Sakurai was right in that regard.
It matters a little
People took to Greninja because it was a badass water frog ninja, sure, but it also because it was extremely good in battle in pretty much every format
Incineroar's also extremely strong and it might get into Smash Bros
The "actually, Incineroar is garbage does anyone else feel that way" posts are obnoxious, but let's not compare them to memoryman's brand of consistent bullshit.
I didn't even know who Incineroar was before the past couple of days. I mean, I'm not too in-the-know on Pokemon but I try to at least be peripherally up to date on it. I'm guessing he's the Lucario or Greninja of Gen VII (i.e. mega-popular)?
...nah, I'm not gonna be here all night over an off the cuff comment I made about an ugly cat Pokemon.
I concede.
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