And I'd still be disappointed none of the 4 I listed made it. :/
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Take Inceneroar, put it in a very nice and comfortable rocket ship with enough supplies to last a long time, pat it on the head, and blast it into outer space
Then you'll be getting somewhere
That could work. All the other characters could be members of the Wonderful 100 under the leadership of Wonder Red
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I'd definitely love to ;-)
DO YOU SMELL WHAT THE ROAR IS COOOOOOKKININNGGG
Incineroar is like a parody of the awful trend of fire/fighting starters from Gen 3-5 but not self aware (and also not *technically* fighting type, but basically designed as one). Just a terrible character design.
Incineroar is awesome. :3
DO YOU SMELL WHAT THE ROAR IS COOOOOOKKININNGGG
Ill gladly take you up on this one if you're willing to speak in design terms. What about it is terrible outside of just personal preference?
I don't think Incineroar's design by itself is bad, it's just the awful circumstances around it. What you said is very true, but IMO the most offending thing is the fact that they finally have a perfect opportunity to make a quadrupedal, amazingly designed fire starter (going by litten and torracat), but they just go for the incredibly overdone "Fighting Bipedal Fire Starter". It pissed the hell of me.
Damn this rules actually. Only ever heard of FamilyJules so I'll definitely be subbing to this channel. Just. Wow. Thanks for sharing!
This is where I'm at.
In a vacuum it's a fine design and I'm not going to hate on it for ripping off Tiger Mask when I love Infernape who's just the Monkey King, but every single fire starter fights on 2 legs.
I get that fighting is more common but its not like the other lines weren't almost entirely bipedal designs
personal preference is one thing, but calling something a terrible design just sounds like someone does not understand character design at all
again, this is a common trend for almost every starter
It comes out of nowhere compared to its earlier stages, basically just to reinforce the "fire/fighting" archetype (Yes, it's technically dark, not fighting, but it was clearly designed just with a fighting archetype in mind, and the dark type has no presence in other senses there).
They're all better than fire though. Take a look at grass.
Gen 1: 4 legs
Gen 2: 4 legs
Gen 3: 2 legs
Gen 4: 4 legs
Gen 5: No legs
Gen 6: 2 legs
Gen 7: 2 legs
Much more even spread between quadrupedal and bipedal.
It's time for "I want to imagine smells so I can ignore the smell of blood" again
What would newcomers smell like?
EG Wonder Red, Incineroar, Chibi Robo. You can pick your favourite newcomers.
What would newcomers smell like?
EG Wonder Red, Incineroar, Chibi Robo. You can pick your favourite newcomers.
Oh interesting. I haven't kept up with the leaks this time around heh.
Now that would be.......a step up from the Smash 4 stage builder!
What I can't stand is that Toon Link doesn't have any of his unique abilities from his games (or at least the handheld games). Like for example: wouldn't it be cool if he could move across the ground with his spin attack:
He could use the Deku Leaf to recover or blow people away, maybe we could have the grappling hook instead of the hookshot. Maybe he could use the hammer, maybe he could charge at people with the running shoes, maybe flip people with the Cane of Pacci. He just kind of feels like wasted potential, especially now that Young Link is back with little change.
Guess who got interested in if we could see anything else interesting from site update numbers!!!!!
It seems the first days were pretty hectic. There's several strange gaps.
-The amiibo post was the 8th post on the site (japan), but the url says its the 10th. Every update following this accounts for this, so the next one is 11 and so forth.
-Except for the 12 post. This update is about the gamecube controller, but it has no standard numbering whatsoever https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/ja_JP/img/ba97f11a84f0a67157f6a945859f591f.jpg as opposed to say https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/ja_JP/ko_KR/img/132_1.jpg This update is as such ignored by subsequent posts unless it's meant to be one of the otherwise skipped numbers, such as #9
-The 20th post on the website is, according to its numbers, labeled as the 8th. This is the post about the smash invatational. Interestingly, it's labeled as "8_1" implying there was going to be multiple images in the update that weren't put up.
-Launch star is labeled properly, but the image shown is 19_3, implying they only put up the third image of a set. Presumably images 1 & 2 were meant to show the item as it apepars, then as it is set up.
-Daisy's memory is 3 images, but the first is mislabeled. It's shown as 27_1. The other 2 images are proper: 21_2 & 21_3
-Gamecube controler oddities aside 10-22 are normal, so imagine my surprise when Mario's Memory was 27! As such Mario would be 26. Incidentally, the first image in Mario's memory is labeled as "21_1". Looks like someone accidentally got SML & SMB1's box images mislabeled, but they caught it before it went up.
-Intriguingly, the japanese only post about the RAGE demo (between Vulpix & Mario) had an image without the standard update scheme, just like the gamecube controller. Since the GC update was "ignored" it's possible this one was as well.
-Battlefield is 28, Bombrushblush should be 29 but Bomberman's post is 31. Despite this, subsequent numbers account for this until...
-Noisy Note Book shoudl be 38, but Sukapon is 41!
-After Sukapon, however, they seemed to get their act together. 41 (Sukapon) to 120 (Ness' Memory) are all accurate, with no missing posts.
-Rathalos to Alolan Exeggutor are all normal, however. Some images reference the korean site in their links https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/ja_JP/ko_KR/img/132_1.jpg references the korean site? Kinda strange?
In other words updates 9, 23, 24, 25, 30, 39, 40 & 121 are the only instances of "skipped" updates. And it's feasible 2 of those might havbe been intended to be the RAGE & gamecube controller updates?
I don't think any of this makes the 3 conspicuous skipped updates mean less, especially since in the stretch from Sukapon to Rathalos there was one (1) missed update. But those gaps are pretty interesting to me, implies they had some changes scheduled early on.
It seems the first days were pretty hectic. There's several strange gaps.
-The amiibo post was the 8th post on the site (japan), but the url says its the 10th. Every update following this accounts for this, so the next one is 11 and so forth.
-Except for the 12 post. This update is about the gamecube controller, but it has no standard numbering whatsoever https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/ja_JP/img/ba97f11a84f0a67157f6a945859f591f.jpg as opposed to say https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/ja_JP/ko_KR/img/132_1.jpg This update is as such ignored by subsequent posts unless it's meant to be one of the otherwise skipped numbers, such as #9
-The 20th post on the website is, according to its numbers, labeled as the 8th. This is the post about the smash invatational. Interestingly, it's labeled as "8_1" implying there was going to be multiple images in the update that weren't put up.
-Launch star is labeled properly, but the image shown is 19_3, implying they only put up the third image of a set. Presumably images 1 & 2 were meant to show the item as it apepars, then as it is set up.
-Daisy's memory is 3 images, but the first is mislabeled. It's shown as 27_1. The other 2 images are proper: 21_2 & 21_3
-Gamecube controler oddities aside 10-22 are normal, so imagine my surprise when Mario's Memory was 27! As such Mario would be 26. Incidentally, the first image in Mario's memory is labeled as "21_1". Looks like someone accidentally got SML & SMB1's box images mislabeled, but they caught it before it went up.
-Intriguingly, the japanese only post about the RAGE demo (between Vulpix & Mario) had an image without the standard update scheme, just like the gamecube controller. Since the GC update was "ignored" it's possible this one was as well.
-Battlefield is 28, Bombrushblush should be 29 but Bomberman's post is 31. Despite this, subsequent numbers account for this until...
-Noisy Note Book shoudl be 38, but Sukapon is 41!
-After Sukapon, however, they seemed to get their act together. 41 (Sukapon) to 120 (Ness' Memory) are all accurate, with no missing posts.
-That said, do you remember that weird time where the NoA Nintendo VS Twitter tweeted out Krystal earlier in the day even though Young Link was that night's post? Turns out that she was intended for that night. Krystal is 53 but was posted the day after YL's memory which is labeled 55.
-While nothing else is mislabeled in these 80 posts, the numbering implies there was supposed to be multiple images for Captain Falcon's, Richter's and Dark Samus' memories.
-Richter's memory post on the japanese smash bros twitter does have a manual page!
-The japan side reposted a reminder for the Smash Direct (#91 by its image number, then posted again for 94) but this isn't accounted for. It's the exact same post so far as I can tell.
-There is, however, a 1 update gap between Ness' Memory (120) & Rathalos (122). iirc, this was the night where the twitter psoted about rathalos early on and then the website didnt update until hours later. Maybe someone posted Rathalos a day early and they just ran with it? -While nothing else is mislabeled in these 80 posts, the numbering implies there was supposed to be multiple images for Captain Falcon's, Richter's and Dark Samus' memories.
-Richter's memory post on the japanese smash bros twitter does have a manual page!
-The japan side reposted a reminder for the Smash Direct (#91 by its image number, then posted again for 94) but this isn't accounted for. It's the exact same post so far as I can tell.
-Rathalos to Alolan Exeggutor are all normal, however. Some images reference the korean site in their links https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/ja_JP/ko_KR/img/132_1.jpg references the korean site? Kinda strange?
In other words updates 9, 23, 24, 25, 30, 39, 40 & 121 are the only instances of "skipped" updates. And it's feasible 2 of those might havbe been intended to be the RAGE & gamecube controller updates?
I don't think any of this makes the 3 conspicuous skipped updates mean less, especially since in the stretch from Sukapon to Rathalos there was one (1) missed update. But those gaps are pretty interesting to me, implies they had some changes scheduled early on.
Venusaur, Meganium, Torterra, and Serperior are not Bipedial. Sceptile, Chesnaught and Decidueye are. A fine balance.
Swampert, Samurott and Primarina are not bipedal. The remaining water starters are. Again, a decent balance.
Meanwhile, all the fire starters (maybe with the exception of Typhlosion, depending on rendition) are bipedal. We are just asking for a bit of variety, and the Litten line was the perfect opportunity for it. But no, let's go for the boring design that's been done a lot already.
I thought I explained myself pretty well. It looks like something that a fan artist would come up with as a parody of the fire/fighting trend. It's not a logical conclusion to the preceding evolutions and does nothing interesting with what had been previously established. Its design takes so few cues from cats that you could nearly swap its head and hands out and it could be any animal you wanted (and the less said about its oversized, out of proportion hands the better).
In a vacuum it's uninteresting, but compared to what it comes from and the sad legacy of samey fire/fighting starters it's following it's disappointing. It's a slightly different shade of a range of Pokemon that have been done to death, and when there are nearly one-thousand of these things Pokemon stand out by being different.
So I'm sure chibi robo smells great, but his fresh metallic scent might not be too far removed from blood haha
You mean like Samurott suddenly becoming 4 legged, or Serperior losing its limbs or Chikorita becoming a brontosaurus?
Its pokemon, and lots of them have pretty crazy evolutions.
None of what you're saying makes the design bad. The colour palette, values, animations, silhouette is done with the expected polish that Pokemon (especially the starters) generally have and the concept was executed well in general. Its still a striking and memorable design even if it doesn't personally resonate as much as some others.
Grass has more than the other 2, but its still pretty common. I dont know why you're saying no legs for Gen 5 when the first 2 forms did.
I cant understand this rhetoric at all
cause people want something different
pokemon can be all sorts of things so why can't it be different for once
Again, being bipedal is not a bad thing. The issue is being bipedal when every other fire starter was bipedal, plus having three of them being Fire/Fighting, plus having the latest one follow much of the same Fire/Fighting stereotype, when neither of its pre-evolutions follow it.
It is not surprising people don't like the design, really.
If the look of the first two forms mattered, no one would be complaining about Incineroar.
Most people only care about the final form because that's what you're going to spend the most time looking at.
"it looks like fan art" is not any kind of discussion about the design elements.
I saw Braixen as entirely different from say Blaziken because it has digitigrade legs rather than plantigrade.
Why on earth are people so fussed about how many legs they stand on in a series about magical creatures that benefit from being unique?
Its design gives off a Fire/Fighting type and that will rub people the wrong way right off the bat based off previous fire starters.
Hey, I am not degrading the art by comparing it to fan art, I'm a fan artist myself, I mean in the sense that it looks like a joke a fan would make. Like what I said at first, it looks like a parody of what came before but lacks any of the self awareness it should carry.
When you say something is terrible you need something more substantial or it just sounds like you're bragging about having better taste. I don't think any of them can even qualify as being terrible.
I thought Ridley getting rid of the "too big" debate would mean we wouldn't have any more inane debates about character design. Evidently I was wrong.
So basically, there were times we should have gotten a certain update but didn't? Not really sure I get the significance of this, but this is a nice find.
Hyped for Incineroar to get revealed so we can have all those "I didn't like the idea, but Sakurai sold me!!!!" posts.
K. Rool's reveal sold me on that disgusting creature. Anything is possible
K. Rool's reveal sold me on that disgusting creature. Anything is possible
I also did explain myself outside of the one comment on fan art that you pointed out. To repeat myself:
It draws from the same well that the Pokemon designers have gone to three times already for Fire starters. There's more to character design than just the fundamentals and no character exists in a vacuum--character design should be about showing people new things, not slightly different versions of what they've seen before.
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