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Alandring

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Lmao at the idea of MS wasting money on Japan. Japan is a lost cause. Try and get the Japanese games but investing in Japan is a terrible idea that has flopped over and over again. The focus should be on South America and Europe.
Is it really possible to sell millions of consoles in South America? I think Europe and China/Korea are more important markets.
 

Razdek

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But how many people interested by TGS don't have a PlayStation?

If you are interested by japanese games, you have a PlayStation 4. This is why AA japanese games aren't on Xbox: their audience already have a PlayStation 4.

This is just sad. This means that Xbox shouldn't even try for Japanese devs and it is what it is attitude. That means they should try harder not less to get those same games on Xbox.
 
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Days Gone got a new trailer.

Could we get a new trailer for that ... Other game ... Releasing on that same day?

...

Hello? ...

Seriously.

I don't agree waiting so late to start promoting the game. CD3 being in dev longer with probably a much bigger budget than SoD2 had should start marketing campaign after Fh4 is released. Waiting till next year to just do a ign first and maybe a new trailer isn't going to do anything for that game. We need to see more gameplay, they can introduce us to the world, show us different abilities, different events/things to do, story/character progression. Cramming all of that in a month or two before launch just seems silly. Gotta build the hype, they can even through in and kinda show us what they were able to do with the extra dev time.

I don't even know if we ever even really heard anything from Sumo besides that one articles that came out recently.
 

Camonna Tong

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I'll disagree with you here.

Nier, Nioh, Yakuza, Persona 5, Disgaea 5, were the reason Ps4 destroyed xbox in 2016. Yeah, they had the incredibly overrated HZD, but it was the onslaught of games that launched only on Ps4 that created the narrative that Xbox had no good exclusives. And even if half of the current Japanese games announced for Ps4 only hits next year it will happen again.
Pretty much. As long as Playstation dominates Japan via Japanese Studios and support, Xbox doesn't have a chance (In NA they do), especially in many parts of Europe. I've mentioned it multiple times before, but they really need a studio there (a global publishing one that would help with communication and ports too). No, I don't mean for JRPGs and so on (though that would be nice), but for more mainstream higher-budget titles. Japan has a lot of talent that Microsoft could really use. But first, they need to find a Director that would want to work with them though.

Honestly, for things like Blue Dragon, their best bet is to just have MSGP hand it off to another studio that might be interested. No point in making it a first party studio (if possible) unless it does really well and the studio is interested in making more.

Anyways, the biggest reason why Microsoft failed was because of miscommunication and they pulled out too early with the Japanese market. Not that I can speak for all of Japanese Gamers, but a friend that I talked to simply said that Microsoft didn't get them, and even offended some of the people with how they handled things. They really should have had a studio there that understands the culture to handle things better.

Microsoft needs Japanese support, and that is all there is to it. Not to penetrate the market, but for support globally.
But why ? It isn't a content cut from the game: it's a content made because Sony paid for it and it's free (on PlayStation).

For Watch Dogs 1, PlayStation owners had more content, for free. Xbox owners had the basic content. For Watch Dogs 2, both had the same content (but nothing more) and DLC are available sooner on PlayStation. How could it be better ?

I prefer that a publisher pay to give me more content (for free!) than to prevent others to play it.

Everybody loose with time exclusives DLC. Nobody has more content and half of the community need to wait one month for the DLC.
Not all exclusive content is made just because Sony asked them, but because they bought it. If that was the case for all exclusive DLC, then yes, I agree, but it's not. Whether that be early in, or after the DLC/content is mostly finished. You get timed exclusives eventually which is much better than getting nothing. That is all there is to it.

Simply put, if Sony paid them to make exclusive DLC then alright, that is fine (even though I argue that the resources should be put elsewhere unless it really helps the studio). However, if Sony bought DLC that is going to be made anyways and made it exclusive, that's a completely different story. Even if it is free.

Sorry that I didn't respond right away.

Aventurine SA, the developers behind Darkfall and Darkfall Unholy Wars are located in Athens. I didn't find any other company unfortunately. Both have been shut down though. Though I guess this could just be a nice on-the-job vacation for them?
 
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gremlinz1982

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I know full well what they brought to the platform, I bought all of those, and more. There are just a few problems. Very few of them were high budget and high quality titles, and you don't break into a reluctant market with games that are just all right, especially when your already entrenched competitors are making the same or bigger commitment. Some of those appealed more to the overseas fans than the domestic audience. Others were exclusives for just a short while, and they appeared on PS3 within a year or so. The newest game on that list released in early 2009, most of them considerably earlier. The only game that got an exclusive sequel was Ninety-Nine Nights. That's not a strong, maintained investment, sorry, and Microsoft should be happy with what they got in return.

But once again, even that was far better than what we have now, both in terms of Xbox's Japanese standing, exclusive games that we all got to enjoy, and third party multiplatform support. And I'm certain that all of that had a positive effect on the performance of Xbox 360 in the rest of the world.
Microsoft was never going to sell anything near 50% of what Sony and Nintendo push in Japan regardless of what games they put out.

If you keep putting money in a market and the market share remains small, you don't keep making bigger investments and hoping that more investment will bring in more gamers. You test, you push products and if you are not making a dent you stop hemorrhaging money and focus on what brings you money.

I would love for Microsoft to invest in some JRPG's, balance out their platform deliverables. Their concern has to be putting out games that allow them to compete, and a far better bet would be on Western developers or Japanese developed games with a Western theme. It may not sound cool, but it is what it is.

Microsoft needs to get the big 3rd party games like Monster Hunter and Devil May Cry but I strongly disagree that they should put major resources into the market. Xbox barely sold in Japan when Microsoft locked down a bunch of Sega exclusives back when Sega was considered a big name. They barely moved the needle with the 360 despite some major 1st party investments. Outside of buying Square, nothing Microsoft does will change their mindshare in Japan or even to Western gamers who like Eastern games. It's flushing money down the toilet.

Microsoft is better served recapturing their Western marketshare. Those former 360 gamers who left Xbox didn't do it because of Persona, Nioh, and Nier.
This is what I am saying. Try and get Tecmo-Koei, Sega, Bandai Namco, Square Enix, Capcom releasing games on the platform to keep parity in titles. I don't support the line of reasoning that they should be paying to bring games to the console.

Do what makes sense and focus on the market that actually buys the product.
 

OneBadMutha

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This is just sad. This means that Xbox shouldn't even try for Japanese devs and it is what it is attitude. That means they should try harder not less to get those same games on Xbox.

It's not sad. In business you have strengths and opportunities. You try to manage the opportunities so they don't crush you but you invest most of the your resources towards your strengths and leveraging your competitive advantages.

If Microsoft is getting the big games from Japanese developers like Final Fantasy, Devil May Cry and Monster Hunter, then they are in a good enough position with Japanese developers.

If they invest in a big AAA western game and hit it out of the park, they will impact their mindshare, brand and user base exponentionally more than if they did the same with an Eastern AAA game.
 

crazillo

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It's not sad. In business you have strengths and opportunities. You try to manage the opportunities so they don't crush you but you invest most of the your resources towards your strengths and leveraging your competitive advantages.

If Microsoft is getting the big games from Japanese developers like Final Fantasy, Devil May Cry and Monster Hunter, then they are in a good enough position with Japanese developers.

If they invest in a big AAA western game and hit it out of the park, they will impact their mindshare, brand and user base exponentionally more than if they did the same with an Eastern AAA game.

As I was the user starting the discussion today: That's precisely what I meant. But this includes getting Kingdom Hearts Collection (not just 3), the FF X and XII remasters, Ys VIII (not just Origins) and VC 1 (not just VC 4). I guess Atlus is a lost cause for them, they once announced a partnership during 360 days, but only Catherine and Persona 4 Arena really made it to Xbox.

We can't expect a title like I am Setsuna I guess, but that's fine by me.

With Yakuza, there's more hope we'll see it come over I guess.
 

Alandring

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This is just sad. This means that Xbox shouldn't even try for Japanese devs and it is what it is attitude. That means they should try harder not less to get those same games on Xbox.
I don't know. I think Microsoft should try to sell as much Xbox & PC Windows 10 everywhere. But yeah, a big focus on japanese market or publishers is just a waste of money for me. Look at Square Enix at least E3: they announced Nier: Automata on Xbox One... and two new PC/PlayStation 4 games.

But for me, the Play Anywhere program must be the foundation of next gen and for that the Windows Store needs a lot of improvements.

Yes, japanese games aren't on Xbox, but they aren't on the Windows Store either. And it's a bigger problem, because these games are available on Steam.

If Microsoft makes the Windows Store a real competitor of Steam, japanese developpers will be on it. If japanese developpers are on the Windows Store and if everything is Play Anywhere (all games, Xbox Game Pass, Xbox Live Gold, ...), it will be easier to take them on Xbox.


Not all exclusive content is made just because Sony asked them, but because they bought it. If that was the case for all exclusive DLC, then yes, I agree, but it's not. Whether that be early in, or after the DLC/content is mostly finished. You get timed exclusives eventually which is much better than getting nothing. That is all there is to it.

Simply put, if Sony paid them to make exclusive DLC then alright, that is fine (even though I argue that the resources should be put elsewhere unless it really helps the studio). However, if Sony bought DLC that is going to be made anyways and made it exclusive, that's a completely different story. Even if it is free.

Sorry that I didn't respond right away.
Yes I agree. If the content would be made anyways, I prefer it to be available for everyone or timed exclusive.

For Assassin's Creed, I really think the content was made because Sony paid for it, because it was really different from the main game and DLC. But yeah, we don't know exactly what was the deal.
 

Rodeo Clown

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There was some talk of it yesterday, but I really don't think there's gonna be a Forza 8 next year.

On Forza Monthly today, Turn 10 talked about not just the September update which goes out tomorrow, but how they have more updates coming in the future that includes race regulations and a complete UI overhaul. This is in addition to the update coming (in December, I think they said before?) to further change the economy to get rid of the rest of the prize crates that are still left in there for mods and driver suits.

I could be wrong, but I don't think Turn 10 is large enough to be continuing to support FM7 this way and also be a year out from a potential FM8.
 

OneBadMutha

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As I was the user starting the discussion today: That's precisely what I meant. But this includes getting Kingdom Hearts Collection (not just 3), the FF X and XII remasters, Ys VIII (not just Origins) and VC 1 (not just VC 4). I guess Atlus is a lost cause for them, they once announced a partnership during 360 days, but only Catherine and Persona 4 Arena really made it to Xbox.

We can't expect a title like I am Setsuna I guess, but that's fine by me.

With Yakuza, there's more hope we'll see it come over I guess.

My bet is that when Spencer says they are trying to help Japanese developers sell more games to the western market, Game Pass will have something to do with the long term plan.

If you are a western gamer on PlayStation, even if you didn't grow up on Japanese games like many of us older gamers did, you get exposed to them through the community. What PlayStation podcast didn't talk a lot about Nier Automata?

On Xbox, even commercial successes like Monster Hunter get little play within the community so gamers who've never been exposed to them continue to be unexposed to them.

Game Pass could change that. Through Game Pass, those types of games can gain more publicity and mindshare.

In conclusion, Microsoft can continue to manage this weakness better within their current business model without diluting their major resources that will be needed to recapture their 360 gamers by using Game Pass as a marketing and mindshare tool.
 

Klobrille

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There was some talk of it yesterday, but I really don't think there's gonna be a Forza 8 next year.

On Forza Monthly today, Turn 10 talked about not just the September update which goes out tomorrow, but how they have more updates coming in the future that includes race regulations and a complete UI overhaul. This is in addition to the update coming (in December, I think they said before?) to further change the economy to get rid of the rest of the prize crates that are still left in there for mods and driver suits.

I could be wrong, but I don't think Turn 10 is large enough to be continuing to support FM7 this way and also be a year out from a potential FM8.
YES! Please deliver. Please deliver.
 
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They will never achieve dominance in Europe without Japan, never. Well, unless Sony and Nintendo quit for some reason.
Most Japanese games.sell shit in Europe ...the two market are totally separate
You can be market leader in Europe without having Japan...PS4 would be market leader in Europe easily also if this gen Japan games dosnt even exist on the market
 

vorimenn

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Would be nice! https://screenrant.com/iron-man-game-xbox-spider-man-ps4/

Fakes Forge already did cover, but for PS4 :D

41324129_2130771960507627_5499041143842668544_n.jpg
 

Sydle

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There was some talk of it yesterday, but I really don't think there's gonna be a Forza 8 next year.

On Forza Monthly today, Turn 10 talked about not just the September update which goes out tomorrow, but how they have more updates coming in the future that includes race regulations and a complete UI overhaul. This is in addition to the update coming (in December, I think they said before?) to further change the economy to get rid of the rest of the prize crates that are still left in there for mods and driver suits.

I could be wrong, but I don't think Turn 10 is large enough to be continuing to support FM7 this way and also be a year out from a potential FM8.

Wasn't it just a few months ago T10 said the whole studio was working on FM7 updates?

I wish they'd put it in Gamepass.
 

Rodeo Clown

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Wasn't it just a few months ago T10 said the whole studio was working on FM7 updates?

I wish they'd put it in Gamepass.
That's what they've been saying for months, but I've seen some hand waving of that idea online, that they surely have an FM8 in development. They probably do at some level, but 11 months after release, they're plugging away on FM7.

Just this summer, they've overhauled the economy, gotten rid of the car crates, added track limits, added time trials, now they're adding in-race lobbies and drag racing tomorrow with the promise of race regulations, a new UI, another economy refresh in the months to come.

None of this says to me that they're gearing up for an entire new product in a year.
 

Kiekura

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Sod 3 will be a better game technically like the 2 is from the 1 and will probably have some bugs and glitches like every single open world game with rpg/strategic elements we saw in the last years. Bring me a single ow rpg which was not a glitch fest except Botw. Simply debugging properly those kind of games is impossible.
I hope they wont listen what most of the pubblic suggest and preserve the identity of the saga

SoT 2 bugs were pretty bad. There was lots of them and lots of those were also bad or even game breaking. I can't really remember game this gen that was so buggy.

But that doesn't mean third one will be same.
 

Chris.

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SoT 2 bugs were pretty bad. There was lots of them and lots of those were also bad or even game breaking. I can't really remember game this gen that was so buggy.

But that doesn't mean third one will be same.
The issue is UL is to remain autonomous which, imo, is a bad move for that studio. They clearly need some strings pulled to sort out the buggy messes they make. MS should be stepping in early into development and making sure the game isn't a buggy mess again, but it doesn't look like that's gonna happen and I sure as hell don't trust UL to sort it out themselves.
 

Kiekura

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The issue is UL is to remain autonomous which, imo, is a bad move for that studio. They clearly need some strings pulled to sort out the buggy messes they make. MS should be stepping in early into development and making sure the game isn't a buggy mess again, but it doesn't look like that's gonna happen and I sure as hell don't trust UL to sort it out themselves.

Didn't Microsoft already help them with SoT 2? That statement only means, that Microsoft isn't telling them what game to do or like "add microtransactions to this game"
 

Ebtesam

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SoT 2 bugs were pretty bad. There was lots of them and lots of those were also bad or even game breaking. I can't really remember game this gen that was so buggy.

But that doesn't mean third one will be same.
it won't be for Sure the same becouse it'll be Made By a 1P Studio with More Money and resources
 

Chris.

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it won't be for Sure the same becouse it'll be Made By a 1P Studio with More Money and resources
I don't think more money and resources would really fix the issues with the game, I mean SoD1 still has issues and look at MCC for example. Undead labs just have issues with making a polished game and apparently they've released multiple updates to the game that's only made things worse. I'm assuming there's issues with the way the game is coded from the early stages of development that causes this issue/makes it somewhat hard to fix. Money and resources isn't the answer to everything.

If I was MS I'd have a "bug prevention team" or whatever you wanna call it with the sole purpose of monitoring UL and their code and helping rewrite it from the beginning in a way that won't cause issues / bugs later on in development. Out of all the studios MS just bought, UL is the one that NEEDS some interference. Not on the creative side, just on the technical side.
 
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Remo Williams

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Microsoft was never going to sell anything near 50% of what Sony and Nintendo push in Japan regardless of what games they put out.

A) They don't have to, and
B) that's tales from the ass, not a provable fact. Actually, it sounds extremely unreasonable. "No matter what." Right...

If you keep putting money in a market and the market share remains small, you don't keep making bigger investments and hoping that more investment will bring in more gamers. You test, you push products and if you are not making a dent you stop hemorrhaging money and focus on what brings you money.

I would love for Microsoft to invest in some JRPG's, balance out their platform deliverables. Their concern has to be putting out games that allow them to compete, and a far better bet would be on Western developers or Japanese developed games with a Western theme. It may not sound cool, but it is what it is.

Microsoft should drop Xbox entirely, and invest that money into enterprise products and services. It's literally the same argument, and shortsighted in both cases.
 

Razdek

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I don't know. I think Microsoft should try to sell as much Xbox & PC Windows 10 everywhere. But yeah, a big focus on japanese market or publishers is just a waste of money for me. Look at Square Enix at least E3: they announced Nier: Automata on Xbox One... and two new PC/PlayStation 4 games.

But for me, the Play Anywhere program must be the foundation of next gen and for that the Windows Store needs a lot of improvements.

Yes, japanese games aren't on Xbox, but they aren't on the Windows Store either. And it's a bigger problem, because these games are available on Steam.

If Microsoft makes the Windows Store a real competitor of Steam, japanese developpers will be on it. If japanese developpers are on the Windows Store and if everything is Play Anywhere (all games, Xbox Game Pass, Xbox Live Gold, ...), it will be easier to take them on Xbox.



Yes I agree. If the content would be made anyways, I prefer it to be available for everyone or timed exclusive.

For Assassin's Creed, I really think the content was made because Sony paid for it, because it was really different from the main game and DLC. But yeah, we don't know exactly what was the deal.

Play Anywhere is great but they haven't shown any improvements in getting more bigger games on it and I bet years from now we'll still be complaining about Windows Store because the improvements have been slow and it doesn't look like they're putting much work into it.
 

Razdek

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It's not sad. In business you have strengths and opportunities. You try to manage the opportunities so they don't crush you but you invest most of the your resources towards your strengths and leveraging your competitive advantages.

If Microsoft is getting the big games from Japanese developers like Final Fantasy, Devil May Cry and Monster Hunter, then they are in a good enough position with Japanese developers.

If they invest in a big AAA western game and hit it out of the park, they will impact their mindshare, brand and user base exponentionally more than if they did the same with an Eastern AAA game.

But the gaps with games seem to be getting bigger rather than smaller. Shouldn't they be putting in the work now with eastern devs so it pays off later? Offer to pay for ports or build new partnerships.
 

TiagoCosta

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i was meant for the new Game Judge Eyes is only annouce for PS4

I sure didn't talk about that game in particular. There were about 7-8 new announces, a Xbox fan shouldn't assume all of those will skip Xbox was my whole point.

I only added Catherine cause I read someone saying sega took Vita over Xbox in the west, which as far as we know, it's not known yet.
 

Ebtesam

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I sure didn't talk about that game in particular. There were about 7-8 new announces, a Xbox fan shouldn't assume all of those will skip Xbox was my whole point.

I only added Catherine cause I read someone saying sega took Vita over Xbox in the west, which as far as we know, it's not known yet.
i'll Just Keep my Eye on them maybe they wi come later
 

Apex88

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But the gaps with games seem to be getting bigger rather than smaller. Shouldn't they be putting in the work now with eastern devs so it pays off later? Offer to pay for ports or build new partnerships.
There was plenty of focus on Nier and a couple of other titles coming to XB. But they all launched on PS4 12-18 months ago. In the meantime Sega, Square Enix etc. announced over half a dozen fairly major PS4 (or PS4 & PC) titles in the intervening months. By their very nature they sometimes go under the radar until closer to release. Today's Sony TGS show simply bundled a bunch of these titles together. So it made a bigger impact in the West.
 

Lukas Taves

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Microsoft was never going to sell anything near 50% of what Sony and Nintendo push in Japan regardless of what games they put out.

If you keep putting money in a market and the market share remains small, you don't keep making bigger investments and hoping that more investment will bring in more gamers. You test, you push products and if you are not making a dent you stop hemorrhaging money and focus on what brings you money.
The thing is they have to spend the money, not to gain market but to avoid Sony from making deals.

Sony made deals with tons of Japanese producers this gen to get exclusive (timed or otherwise) and it paid in spades worldwide.

I disagree with notion (said by other users) that Ms has to pay to get content other get for free, but the thing is, Sony is not getting those games for free. We know of several deals they made, insiders often pointed out how Sony was investigating a lot in support from Japanese devs and it paid off, plain and simple. Now Ms has to spent too to get those games to Xbox, and to create a market so more games can come even when they don't spent.
 
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Regarding Japan, I think people saying "ports are easy and cheap, they're leaving money on the table" tend to forget that localizations are easy on paper too, but still most Japanese games on PS4 hit the west one year after the Japanese release.
This just shows how risk averse many Japanese publishers are. Hell, even the Switch or PC aren't getting every Japanese game and I think it's safe to say that if you look at sales numbers for the smaller Japanese games/franchises spanning the almost 20 years of Xbox it will always be the last in line. It's a lost cause and MS should concentrate on other things first.

And the argument "but but but 360 had many Japanese games". Yes it did, and maybe just maybe those were made during a time when it wasn't clear whether Xbox had a chance in Japan or not - it was a second time experiment. Whatever...but I don't believe that message board members are sitting on a million dollar idea here and Japanese businessmen are just too stupid to see the obvious cash-cow. They have their reasons, I assume. If you want Japanese games first and foremost, well, don't buy an Xbox.
 

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Is it really possible to sell millions of consoles in South America? I think Europe and China/Korea are more important markets.
Well ... according to this studio, the Xbox One is heading to become the best selling console in Mexico's history with 4.1 millions of units sold (PS4 has 1.3 millions, Xbox 360 4.5 millions) 16 millions of consoles have been sold in our recent history (Post 2000s) 61.4% of them are Xbox consoles (Even the OC Xbox outsold the PS2, wich is quite awesome) the article is in spanish, so be ready with the google translator.
These numbers are close to the current generation numbers of Germany in terms of hardware, which is good, well ... according to vgchartz xD
https://elsemanario.com/ciencia-y-tecnologia/277859/tendencias-de-consumo-de-videojuegos-en-2018/

Edit: This is my first post guys, im glad to finally "meet" you all , i've been here since January, i came with all the leaks that were found by Klobrille and i've been sharing your hype from the shadows, until now.
 
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Camonna Tong

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Yea.. Totally get that. This thread is mostly safe from all that though. Hope you don't plan to disappear again anytime soon.
Or is it?......

But yes, it has gotten pretty bad. It seems bad just about anywhere though. I'd say it's better in ResetEra because on most sites you'll have fanboys going into other threads attacking other consoles and its users. It's definitely not as bad here. Can't even type on many sites that you're an Xbox fan because you'll get attacked by immature fanboys.
 

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When it comes down to it, I don't care about the practicality or logistics of Microsoft getting Japanese games on Xbox. Either you have them or you don't and excuses for the latter mean little from the perspective of a consumer. PlayStation will always be able to flex that extra value in having series like Persona, Yakuza, Nioh, Ni no Kuni or Dragon Quest on their platform apposed to Xbox unless something changes. Yes, I can be reasonable and take a step back to see why these titles aren't on Xbox and why it isn't just a problem Microsoft can solve by throwing money at it even if they wanted to, but ultimately that just doesn't matter. Realistically, Microsoft should be looking into forming their own Japanese studio in the face of lacking third-party support. If they're so gung-ho about expanding their first-party and believe in Game Pass' model, then put your money where your mouth is.
 

christocolus

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Or is it?......

But yes, it has gotten pretty bad. It seems bad just about anywhere though. I'd say it's better in ResetEra because on most sites you'll have fanboys going into other threads attacking other consoles and its users. It's definitely not as bad here. Can't even type on many sites that you're an Xbox fan because you'll get attacked by immature fanboys.
believe me it's a lot better here bro and this thread is mostly safe from the worst trolls. A few still pop up from time to time but its not as bad as the other threads.
 

Hudsoniscool

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Hey I have a question guys. I pre-ordered black ops 4 just for the beta to try it out. When the beta is released will I get the code via email or do I just get it though Xbox live on my console?
 
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