No? Because no one is complaining about the widow receiving money. People have even suggested ways they could have still gotten her the money without publicly honoring TB.
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No? Because no one is complaining about the widow receiving money. People have even suggested ways they could have still gotten her the money without publicly honoring TB.
Jesus there's a lot of hate going on in this thread, Like I can understand not liking TB, to be honest I wasn't a fan of his content but like could some of you show some respect.
Like put your personal beliefs aside for one moment and just you know, be respectful towards this guy who died at a young age who left behind a family.
Like put your personal beliefs aside for one moment and just you know, be respectful towards this guy who died at a young age who left behind a family.
Total Biscuit, a man who was famously respectful to everyone else,
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You mean the McCain thread you got banned in?
Forgive me for not caring about your perspective on this.
Except nobody involved overlooked it, the comparison (while bad) wasn't even about comparing the things TB did, and the user got warned for it.
As said I'm not defending him and I wasn't a fan of his work, But maybe you should respect the dead. All this hate and shit talking a dead man is just wrong.
Why should I respect a person who did not respect others?
Why? Him dying doesn't erase what he did.
i know Flappe is banned, but I wanted to address this part of his post.
Speaking entirely for myself of course (After all, I can;t speak for the others here), I would have been willing to forgive TB had he actually apologized and made amends with the people he hurt, both directly and indirectly. But he didn't.
Speaking entirely for myself of course (After all, I can;t speak for the others here), I would have been willing to forgive TB had he actually apologized and made amends with the people he hurt, both directly and indirectly. But he didn't.
So, do you feel good about yourself right now? Wow, you're bashing a dead person whose view you disagreed with, way to go, you and any ones like you in this thread are clearly the better people here and totally don't look terrible for shit talking a dead man.
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1) Posts which downplay, minimize, marginalize, dismiss, excuse, or hand-wave TotalBiscuit's involvement in a hate movement.
2) Posts that are inflammatory or drive by in nature that paint broad strokes about this thread or people posting in it.
This has nothing to do with his work but with the fact that he endorsed and incited harassment towards women.
It's not shit talking if it's true.
I hope you extend this courtesy to every dead person no matter what they did.
There's some truley disgusting posts in this thread and I still won't shit on the authors if they die prematurely. This seems like a nice thing for blizzard to do I can't understand why people just can't stay out of threads that are about people who they don't like.
You act like having an opposing opinion is like the worst thing imaginable.
Yeah I do, I didn't like John McCain but I'm not going shit talk him. Like guys learn some respect, please.
We are living in a society where decrying racists is just as bad or worse than actually being a racist, where being critical about the biggest video game developer who is immortalizing a person who was involved with a hate movement geared toward women, LGBTQ, and other minorities is comparable to being involved in the said hate movement itself.
"Some communities would consider Era a hate movement."
Are those communities by chance white supremacist in nature? Or maybe just supremacist/elitist with a little bit of whiteness in there. Are they communities where bullshit goes unchallenged and facts have no meaning? Are they communities where actual real-world problems and issues are totally ignored, walled off from the ensconced pleasure of games as a substitute lifestyle?
"Some communities would consider Era a hate movement."
Are those communities by chance white supremacist in nature? Or maybe just supremacist/elitist with a little bit of whiteness in there. Are they communities where bullshit goes unchallenged and facts have no meaning? Are they communities where actual real-world problems and issues are totally ignored, walled off from the ensconced pleasure of games as a substitute lifestyle?
Nice to see the community protecting the most marginalized group out there right now, white male gamers.
So what if Totalbiscuit was a gamergate supporter, he brought us good gaming content, and that's what matters.
So what if Totalbiscuit was a gamergate supporter, he brought us good gaming content, and that's what matters.
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Thanks for the followup.
I don't see where he makes a statement that egregious but he still comes off as a piece of shit.
TB in the past has displayed faults for being a pompous blowhard but he has also displayed a level of intelligence that shows he is very deliberate with his words.
He chose to say Anita didn't press charges despite knowing full well the threats were anonymous.
He chose to downplay these threats to shield his own reasoning for participating in gamergate.
And this is stuff he deliberately did without poor research making his other statements foolish.
Considering how smart he is I can only conclude he's a diet misogynist.
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Welp there it is. He did say something that egregious.
Fuck him then.
You realise how fucked up this thinking is, right? Every dead person deserves respect? Really?
User Banned (2 Weeks): Downplaying a hate movement.
Yeah, so what.
The man is dead, he left behind a family. Just because he supported GG doesn't mean you should be disrespectful.
You're telling us there isn't a single dead person you don't respect?
No biggie, am i rite.
Entertainment is everything, didn't you know? People are so defensive of this decision by Blizzard, and are so fast to be critical of those who are critical of this decision, because, in large parts, a lot of their personal identity and social living is facilitated through these games and they rally as a community around a guy like TotalBiscuit.
It's the "Good 'Ole Boys", but run through Discord.
So you respect Bin Laden?
See this is the problem with the kind of dismissal of one's actions in life and absolutist rhetoric you're bringing into the thread. By saying that one should respect the dead no matter what they did, you open yourself to these ponderings.
Again, is Bin Laden worthy of respect? What about Trump when he dies? What about Netanyahu when he croaks? But these are all extreme monsters and TB was not even close, so let's tone down it down. Let's assume you're a straight white dude. If McCain spent his entire life taking away your liberties and voting for policies that discriminated against straight white dudes would you still extend the same courtesy to him? What if TB sent his cronies to harass you and your family forcing you to stay in hiding for months, years, living in fear. Would you still extend him this same courtesy?
Because there's giving the other cheek and there's being a fucking idiot.
How is that fucked up? Its a basic thing that's expected out of normal sane people. I'm not saying you have to like the guy, I'm not saying you have to ignore the stuff he believed in. But maybe just take your shit talking to another a thread, Like when I first saw this thread on the main page the other day thought it was fine and went "oh thats really nice maybe i'll go buy the bundle" Then my good friend Jim told me what was going on here and well its just messed up what some of the people here are saying.
Can someone who is defending this from the point of view of "why are you guys hating on the widow and child getting money?!?!" angle please explain what your problem is with the criticism that memorializing a repugnant person to give them money is not the right way to go about it?
Like seriously 0 people in this thread have had any problem with giving the widow and their child support, 0.
All we've been saying is Blizzard should have made a sticker set or whatever about cancer awareness instead of lionizing a bad person.
Like seriously 0 people in this thread have had any problem with giving the widow and their child support, 0.
All we've been saying is Blizzard should have made a sticker set or whatever about cancer awareness instead of lionizing a bad person.
I can respect his family, I don't need to respect him. I can feel bad that he died before he was able (or willing) to truly apologize for his actions over the years and feel bad for the family he left behind.
Bolded is exactly what you're saying.
No, it is not normal to show respect to all dead people.
This thread was open to criticism because of Blizzard's actions for memorializing him.
What you are doing is trying to shut down the discussion because it is uncomfortable for you.
You keep doing this thing where you act like TB's only crime was "having an opposing opinion."
If TB and I disagreed over how important framerate is in a video game, or what genres and games we liked and didn't like, or how much effort developers should be putting into PC ports, that would be an entirely different story, but you are consistently downplaying what TB did to matters of simple "differing opinions." TB was a person who cultivated a massive and actively toxic fanbase and repeatedly used it to his advantage. He had a consistent habit of threatening to or outright committing acts where he'd send his fanbase after a developer of a game he didn't like or people who simply didn't approve of what he represented, and then because his fans did it but not him, he'd wash his hands of any wrongdoing. TB repeatedly wished death upon people who disagreed with him. TB was, for a significant period of time, the de facto leader of an organized movement designed to push women, LGBTQ, and POC members of the gaming community out of it.
These are not "differences of opinion," this is someone doing genuinely shitty, awful things and making no attempts at reparations.
Because that would be addressing the issue from a position of honesty instead of creating a giant strawman.
And we all know strawmen are fun.
War Criminals don't deserve any respect. Not alive, not dead.
I'd imagine that a lot of people that would espouse that kind of attitude in defense of being critical towards those showing criticism towards Blizzard and John Bain in this thread, would be the a lot of the same people making the "a comparison to Hitler, really?" reactions earlier, which is ironic.
He was doing WoW content on YT before SC2 released.
SC2 wouldn't have been the same without him, that's for sure.
As tragic as those things are, those two things had nothing to do with his affiliation of gamergate.
I don't see how I'm being disrespectful towards him. If his fans didn't want him to be labelled as a gamergate supporter maybe he shouldn't have been supportive of gamergate.
Regardless, my post isn't me being disrespectful to anyone but his fans who want people to forget/erase his role in one of the biggest online hate movements so he could be seen in good light.
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An image of TB in 2016 passing the buck of making games media unsafe, among other things that a good person typically doesn't do
And also only stopped actively promoting the movement because someone he personally knew was getting harassed by his own audience for daring to even show up on his podcast.
Oh, or remember the time someone asked TB not to promote their charity stream because of the kind of audience he speaks for, so he sent them a veiled threat?
Nothing else needs to be said.