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Blue fire cat
Yellow fire cat
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I mean everyone else beat me to the obvious contradiction here
but please just scroll through this list of Yo-Kai and tell me they aren't varied
Olimar, Chrom, and Bowser probably have some dad jokes. I wouldn't say Ridley has the dirtiest sense of humor, but it's probably the most tasteless, I expect most of his jokes end with "and then I killed them". Dirtiest might be Wolf, just a gut feeling.
You aren't proving "yokai watch is varied" by pointing out that Pokemon is not varied ...
And let's please not pretend pika clones in the giant world of pokemon is the same as
Blue fire cat with a waistband and three tails with a flame at the tip
Yellow fire cat with a waistband and three tails with a flame at the tip
Red fire cat with a waistband and three tails with a flame at the tip
White fire cat with a waistband and three tails with a flame at the tip
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I don't even like the Pikachu wannabes lol but this is Digimon recolor species variation level stuff
Guys, just think about if this was smash 4's hype cycle (starting at E3), we'd only have Villager WFT and Mega Man right now for about 3 months, and wouldn't find out the next newcomer in Rosalina until after Ultimate actually releases.
And a ton of vets would still be unconfirmed.
It really puts things into perspective.
And a ton of vets would still be unconfirmed.
It really puts things into perspective.
Yo-kai designs are weird as hell and that's why I love them. One of them is just a sweaty fat dude
Pikachu isnt even a mouse, its design was based on a squirrel then made into something completely unique.
That said it still looks nothing like pachirisu which is supposed to be more like a squirrel.
I couldn't get into Yokai Watch personally. Wasn't a fan of the battle system and a lot of the designs are too weird for my taste, not that there's anything wrong with that. Just not my cup of tea I guess.
I don't even like the cat either, Whisper is cool though
I don't even like the cat either, Whisper is cool though
Even with those similar cats, who aren't all just casually in the wild like Pokémon and are basically more like Alolan variants than what you're suggesting, you're neglecting the ratio. Yo-Kai Watch has had three main games and has over 690 of the things. Of course some of those are going to be palette swaps. You're also comparing it to a franchise that has only just reached that number after 7 iterations.
If you cut out all of those cats you'd probably have a greater amount of variance in designs than Pokémon had by Gen III.
I'm not comparing the franchises though... you are. I'm just saying yokai watch designs aren't varied and you are assuming I am making a direct comparison to Pokemon, and also asserting that by being varied in relation to Pokemon it is varied. But while we are on it, yes, Pokemon is more varied than Yokai Watch in my opinion, not that it matters much... but for example say "there's over 630 yokai of course some are going to be palette swaps". How many palette swap species are there in Pokemon? I don't know of any, definitely no designs that are as close as the cats, and I don't think it's fair to compare Pikachu with Pichu lol; but even there it's not as similar. That's some actually digimon-like design stuff. I like Digimon too but they have actual palette swaps and stuff like this too. Nothing wrong with it anyway, yokai watch is cool.
There aren't any palette swaps in Pokémon because it has a totally different development structure and roll-out of creatures. There are between 40-150 Pokémon a generation, Yo-Kai Watch has been adding hundreds per mainline installment, and it's only a few years old at this point. That alone means there's a different approach, which is what I said in my original post. Also you quoted the part where I said "more varied" so it wasn't a stretch to assume you were comparing the two.
And I gave you a link to a bunch of Yo-Kai Watch that are clearly varied, but whatever. I don't care that much about this debate, I just feel like a lot of people criticize Yo-Kai Watch without having really looked into it and I wanted to defend it some.
Just saying they have palette swaps as a core design philosophy, variation doesn't seem very strong compared to Pokemon or at all in that regard, but they have a different development structure and stuff to justify it too. Makes sense to me. Similar to Digimon, there's more of them coming out at a time.
And yeah the link took me to a 404 error from within that domain, seems to work now...and besides I'm familar with the yokai to an extent.
I mean, Yokai Watch has a very varied selection of monsters, and the monster designers have a lot of room to cut loose and do what they want, but... Pokemon has very varied designs too, always has, and certainly did by Gen 3. I'm not sure I could argue that Yokai Watch's designs are necessarily more varied. A randomly selected smattering of miniature sprites (up to Gen 3) can be used to make a pretty decent case for Pokemon -
I mean, Yokai Watch has a very varied selection of monsters, and the monster designers have a lot of room to cut loose and do what they want, but... Pokemon has very varied designs too, always has, and certainly did by Gen 3. I'm not sure I could argue that Yokai Watch's designs are necessarily more varied. A randomly selected smattering of miniature sprites (up to Gen 3) can be used to make a pretty decent case for Pokemon -
Yeah I never meant to suggest that Pokémon was lacking in this area, I just think Yo-Kai Watch goes all out in a way I personally like, in comparison. It also helps that I like dumb puns and I can't resist the allure of a "meh" mountain called Whateverest.
I'll admit I was a bit too defensive with the wording, though. I just feel a bit sorry for the franchise sometimes, I think it gets more flak than it deserves. A lot of people would probably enjoy it if they gave it a chance and overlooked the Pokémon similarities that are basically just surface level.
Anyway on the topic of Smash, I think we'd just get a Jibanyan Assist Trophy if anything
Yeah, he really was an icon. Him not being in smash Wii u was a bad call.
Nah Layton was already losing steam by the time the 3DS launched. Level-5 is just bad at managing IPs long-term. Yokai Watch has been declining hard lately too
I think there's also the notion that Yokai Watch treats some of its designs as both types of creatures AND different characters.
So a same "kind" of creature but as a different character will count as another separate (but similar) design.
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Interestingly, since they are both pulling from the same sources (Japanese lore), browsing that page I find it easy to pair one Yokai with an equivalent Pokémon inspired by a same basic design idea, but the Yokai ones expand further on them several times and mix them up more freely without fears of overlap due to context and character giving actual meaning to the variations.
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Im going on a trip to London in October, will be my first trip with the Switch. However I don't have any games that I have any interest with anymore on the Switch. Wishing Smash would be out by then :(
Oh well, not long now!
Oh well, not long now!
It's really sad, he was huge even amongst my non-gamer friends :(
Speaking on characters do you think we would get echos revealed on the direct with the next newcommer or like separately quickly.
That's a game I've always wanted but I never did for some reason. Sounded like my cup of tea, so I want it on the Switch too!
pretty sure it finally came out a couple months ago after, like, three years of delays
The flute at the start always hurts my ears lol. I like some of the other boss themes in the series a bit more.
I'm waiting for the inevitable "Why Smash Ultimate is still an enhanced port of Smash 4" thread with paragraphs upon paragraphs of comparing Smash Wii U/3DS to Street Fighter IV and Smash Ultimate to Ultra Street Fighter IV instead of Street Fighter V.
Can't wait for it to get locked.
Well geez, you'd figure to hear about a game so well received when it first came out.
It will join the "Mario 3d World is not a real 3d Mario game" hall of "What the hell why is this a debate"
And we will get those threads monthly
so guys, what Smash character do you expect on Sony stream
(note that I didn't specify newcomer)
(note that I didn't specify newcomer)
I can imagine Metaknight having two or three old dirty jokes he tells after a couple whiskeys.
Hell, we get "Generation 6 & 7 Pokémon aren't 3D Pokémon" because the camera doesn't move
I don't know much about Yokai but skimming through those designs... they just don't have the same timeless charm that Pokemon do
Manjimutt remains one of the ugliest things I have ever seen in my life
Manjimutt remains one of the ugliest things I have ever seen in my life
And there are a lot of repeating design motifs too.
When Pokémon did that with Tornadus, Thundurus and Landorus they got so much crap for it and eventually introduced the Therian Formes to help differentiate them.
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