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Marvel's Spider-Man Spoiler Thread [MAJOR UNMARKED SPOILERS]
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Best suit?!
Wow
This is really dissapointing. Was it too hard to put a paper bag on his head?
Is it set-up in such a way that after the intro, once they turn you loose in the open world, I can just go around doing whatever I need to do to unlock suits? I'd like to play as much as possible in a suit of my choosing, since I'm not the biggest fan of the default one they designed for this game.
Best suit?!
hot. too bad you can't take the mask off, though. would be funny if this changes dialogue
Sorry if this has already been answered, but are there any cameos by characters outside the Spider-Man corner of the Marvel U, or are buildings like Avengers Tower and the Sanctum Sanctorum as far as that goes?
jstevenson super minor question, I'm curious how the design for the legs in the Iron Spider costume ended up a different color than they are in Infinity War?
Oooooooh I love the comic variant suit and it's power, now that's the one that I will be using in the game.
I got to be honest I don't really think that Peter and Doc ock's relationship was really all that exploredI got to be honest I don't really think that Peter and Doc ock's relationship was really all that explored.
I didn't really feel much in the final confrontation until Aunt May died
I didn't really feel much in the final confrontation until Aunt May died
Two quick thoughts after the ending:
- They had a really good relationship established between Ock and Peter, better than Spidey 2, and then they decided to fuck his character up in the last act and go with a worse final confrontation to boot. I get not wanting to copy the movie's ending, but it would've been so much fucking better. Don't fuck with perfection.
- Aunt May's death really hit home and got me teary eyed. Then I realized... why? She had like a handful of scenes throughout the game. My connection to the character came almost entirely from a 20 year history with the character in outside media, not the game. The game really didn't earn that death. It assumed you were familiar with most of the characters and were already invested in them, and it kind of skipped a lot of development and establishing a connection.
I really loved the ending, such a spectacle with highs and lows. Then the mid and post credits scenes holy shit!
So... will we see Pete train Miles along side him? Co-op?
Interesting that they're kind of using the Ultimate versions setup for Venom, with it being a liquid like suit that cures cancer in that universe and being a scientific creation to cure a genetic disease here - I wonder if that means Eddie Brock won't be Venom in this universe either? It'l be Harry. It's also clear Norman hasn't gone Green yet so I wonder if some accident with more tests causes this for him like it did with Li?
Anyway just some thoughts on those two scenes, I loved it all, seriously. I started reading Spider-Man 18 years ago and this entire game was a treat for me.
So... will we see Pete train Miles along side him? Co-op?
Interesting that they're kind of using the Ultimate versions setup for Venom, with it being a liquid like suit that cures cancer in that universe and being a scientific creation to cure a genetic disease here - I wonder if that means Eddie Brock won't be Venom in this universe either? It'l be Harry. It's also clear Norman hasn't gone Green yet so I wonder if some accident with more tests causes this for him like it did with Li?
Anyway just some thoughts on those two scenes, I loved it all, seriously. I started reading Spider-Man 18 years ago and this entire game was a treat for me.
I just got evicted, found Peter's stuff outside of a garbage depot, slept at FAST and got money from Aunt May. How far am I?
I've played for 10 hours, but have done lots of side stuff. Found all of the collectibles I could (birds, Black Cat, landmarks, backpacks) and did some of the construction site fights and research stations, as well as side quests. So I have no idea of how far I am and am trying to budget my time.
I've played for 10 hours, but have done lots of side stuff. Found all of the collectibles I could (birds, Black Cat, landmarks, backpacks) and did some of the construction site fights and research stations, as well as side quests. So I have no idea of how far I am and am trying to budget my time.
I'm not sure he ever truly knew until that post credits scene when Pete revealed to him that he was (by showing his power back to Miles) - I'm guessing that Miles had some assumptions that Pete was Spidey though.
Just finished the main story line with 3 trophies left to unlock. Now its almost 8AM and I have to sleep for a few hours for work.
I like how the game uses the general familiarity of people of the spiderman story. There is no need to expand upon what May or MJ is to Peter. The game clearly establishes the world and builds towards its own universe.
I appreciate all the nods to a possible future of marvel games universe. Maybe we can have Spidey 2 first with all the setup we have for Miles, Harry, and the Symbiote. Of course, we haven't seen the last of the staple spider-man villains. I'd like to see them get expanded roles for the next game while adding other staples like the lizard, kraven, sandman and maybe some obscure ones. Also, Taskmaster will definitely make a return. We don't know who he was working for as far as I know. Green Goblin will probably be the big bad the next game while having both miles and peter playable with the venom storyline being a huge part of the story.
All possible franchises in the future if everything goes well might be Avengers, Black Panther, Doctor Strange and Dare Devil. Weirdly enough still no Fantastic 4 and X-Men in this universe. Also, none of the members of the Avengers were mentioned individually.
I may be forgetting some of the details I noticed but now its time to sleep.
I like how the game uses the general familiarity of people of the spiderman story. There is no need to expand upon what May or MJ is to Peter. The game clearly establishes the world and builds towards its own universe.
I appreciate all the nods to a possible future of marvel games universe. Maybe we can have Spidey 2 first with all the setup we have for Miles, Harry, and the Symbiote. Of course, we haven't seen the last of the staple spider-man villains. I'd like to see them get expanded roles for the next game while adding other staples like the lizard, kraven, sandman and maybe some obscure ones. Also, Taskmaster will definitely make a return. We don't know who he was working for as far as I know. Green Goblin will probably be the big bad the next game while having both miles and peter playable with the venom storyline being a huge part of the story.
All possible franchises in the future if everything goes well might be Avengers, Black Panther, Doctor Strange and Dare Devil. Weirdly enough still no Fantastic 4 and X-Men in this universe. Also, none of the members of the Avengers were mentioned individually.
I may be forgetting some of the details I noticed but now its time to sleep.
Wow the moment when,
Mid Game Spoilers
oh this is the spoiler thread. lol.
Mid Game Spoilers
Miles comes to work at Feast and Ernie is being and asshole and Peter stands up for him really made me like this Peter Parker more as a character than I had previously. Such a genuine good dude.
oh this is the spoiler thread. lol.
Hoping to see Sable return in the sequel as an ally.
I was gutted when Aunt May died and the final confrontation with Otto was great. Pete's change in demeanor after realizing Ock knew who he was the whole time was a great moment as well.
Loved loved loved every single boss battle, with the Electro/Vulture being a high light. They need more aerial battles in the next game. As far as villains, it's safe to assume Goblin and Venom are on lock, and I think we'll see Mysterio too.
They need way more side missions focusing on bad guys like they did with Tombstone. C and D listers like Stilt-Man, The Spot, Tarantula, Beetle, Molten Man and Hydro Man could have some really cool side missions. I'd even have a Juggernaut quest to reference that comic storyline
I was gutted when Aunt May died and the final confrontation with Otto was great. Pete's change in demeanor after realizing Ock knew who he was the whole time was a great moment as well.
Loved loved loved every single boss battle, with the Electro/Vulture being a high light. They need more aerial battles in the next game. As far as villains, it's safe to assume Goblin and Venom are on lock, and I think we'll see Mysterio too.
They need way more side missions focusing on bad guys like they did with Tombstone. C and D listers like Stilt-Man, The Spot, Tarantula, Beetle, Molten Man and Hydro Man could have some really cool side missions. I'd even have a Juggernaut quest to reference that comic storyline
Just beat the game Wow what an experience. Only gripe is the boss fights were kinda short and a bit on the easier side, even on Spectacular. Sequel can be a legit 10/10 GOAT if they make the boss fights multi staged with more layers and depth. Throw in some branching side quests with story characters a la witcher 3 and we will get a masterpiece in Insomniac's sequel.
Damn, the final boss fight with Ock was more emotional than expected. You really felt it since the game developed their relationship so well before shit hit the fan. Aunt May's death was also unexpected and emotional as well. Really well done. So much chemistry between MJ and Peter. This game had such great acting.
So I was a bit confused by that. Didn't Otto realize who Peter was near the beginning of the game when he was fixing his suit? He even gave him some ideas for a new suit and gadget didn't he?
I thought this was a hilarious post on reddit
" fucking told everyone this would happen and no one belived me wait I bet in the second instalment peter dies and miles takes the role as Spider-Man then there is a multiplayer mode where you can swing around with a friend and can chose wether you are peter or miles but in order to do this he would have to be resurrected or it does a similar thing to the imfamous franchise where once the game is complete it says that it goes back to the past In order for you to do certain things"
I highly doubt they'd kill Peter so early. I wouldn't be surprised if they did it in a 3rd game though.
He told Peter that he thought he was Spider-Man's gadget person, the one who designs Spider-Man's arsenal and suits.
Thats kind of what media res is... it's been 8 years since he became Spider-Man and the death of Uncle Ben and Harry and his relationship... thats all in the past and so was establishing who Aunt May is. She really really really didn't need additional scenes to earn your emotions.
What's the stuff that game reviewers have been describing as "the game getting more serious" and "the game addressing issues"? I'm getting the game later, but I'm curious.
I finished it tonight and, though I was sadly spoiled on the ending a day or two ago, it thankfully didn't detract from the ending hour which I felt was amongst the finest in any game, let alone any superhero game. The Doc Oc fight was absolutely nuts, particularly with the night framing and light in the scene and was just a whole bunch of fun. It was also genuinely emotional as I felt Insomniac did a great job of making you feel pity for Otto before his transformation, especially his bond with Peter.
The Aunt May death also got me good.
The best bit I felt was the Venom reveal - I was gemuinely still surprised that Harry was carrying the 'symbiote' and I am eagerly anticipating what a fully rendered Venom on this engine can look like next gen..
The Aunt May death also got me good.
The best bit I felt was the Venom reveal - I was gemuinely still surprised that Harry was carrying the 'symbiote' and I am eagerly anticipating what a fully rendered Venom on this engine can look like next gen..
She did not
Well with Harry having the symbiote I could see it popping off next game (although it'd be weird to establish Miles in the middle instead of at the end to start up his own trilogy you're right)
Yuri Lowenthal absolutely crushed that scene with Aunt May vocally, dude is a monster on the mic
Only one that really got me was Kingpin at first cause it was early days and the Scorpion/Rhino fight until I figured it out
Yeah it was short but sweet and leaves him open for the future if they happen to want to bring him back in a more prominent roll
I honestly feel like all the Goblin hints in this game (the helmet and the serum [not devil's breath] specifically) are red herrings and we're NOT gonna get Goblin at all
Because most people are, it would be ridiculous to waste time retreading that story and it's fantastic that they didn't
I will eat my own ass if we get co-op
I couldn't help but think this during the first playable Miles section at the rally. The game did next to nothing to establish him prior to that moment, and he's not nearly as familiar to general audiences as MJ. Must have been confusing as fuck as to why you were playing as him, randomly charging into dozens of armed gunmen.
Finally got Ultimate on all Taskmaster challenges, now all I need for 100% are crimes..Then on to pissing off birds for the platinum.
Spider-Man was a whole lot darker than I had expected, I thought Jefferson dying would be about as far as it would go..Then we control Miles sneaking through the rubble as the Demons execute civilians kinda blew my mind. I expected a bit of tragedy, but that was more intense than I would've guessed. Then on to the mind-controlled Suicide.
Peter and Otto's relationship was great, the friendship, the turn, the recordings of Otto's paranoia, finding the prototypes for the Sinister Six's gear, with Peter imagining Otto laughing as he built Spider-Man's gear in the next room. Thought both voice actors did an amazing job.
Would love it if a sequel kept Manhattan and just grew outwards, maybe Pete moving back to Queens after May's death. More Tombstone style side quests instead of the guy freaking out because some people from school went missing "He posted this 30mins ago" *picture of him smiling and waving*..well then he's not fucking missing is he? I was kinda hoping Taskmaster's challenges were leading to his recruitment to The Avengers, small cutscene after the 2nd fight where he calls a call and tells Stark/Rogers that he turned down the 6 figure offer, with the caller asking if he used any weird methods to test Spider-Man's skills.
Co-Op web-slinging would be amazing. Peter becoming a mentor to Miles, Peter proposes to MJ, Spider-Man gets recruited to The Avengers while Miles becomes the Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man.
Spider-Man was a whole lot darker than I had expected, I thought Jefferson dying would be about as far as it would go..Then we control Miles sneaking through the rubble as the Demons execute civilians kinda blew my mind. I expected a bit of tragedy, but that was more intense than I would've guessed. Then on to the mind-controlled Suicide.
Peter and Otto's relationship was great, the friendship, the turn, the recordings of Otto's paranoia, finding the prototypes for the Sinister Six's gear, with Peter imagining Otto laughing as he built Spider-Man's gear in the next room. Thought both voice actors did an amazing job.
Would love it if a sequel kept Manhattan and just grew outwards, maybe Pete moving back to Queens after May's death. More Tombstone style side quests instead of the guy freaking out because some people from school went missing "He posted this 30mins ago" *picture of him smiling and waving*..well then he's not fucking missing is he? I was kinda hoping Taskmaster's challenges were leading to his recruitment to The Avengers, small cutscene after the 2nd fight where he calls a call and tells Stark/Rogers that he turned down the 6 figure offer, with the caller asking if he used any weird methods to test Spider-Man's skills.
Co-Op web-slinging would be amazing. Peter becoming a mentor to Miles, Peter proposes to MJ, Spider-Man gets recruited to The Avengers while Miles becomes the Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man.
Seems like a bad idea for SM to wear a suit that Black Cat gave him. Tony Stark put backdoor access in the Iron Spider, and that was when Spider-Man was on his side.
Dammit, I was kind of hoping for the sequel to go all-in with Spider People and have Pete, Miles and MJ all teaming up.
The only real miss I felt in the story was that spider that gave Miles his powers was goofy as hell. The fact that it managed to hide unnoticed for so long was pretty absurd. And then I feel like Insomniac was trying for like a weird fakeout/non-fakeout thing where you think MJ will get the powers, but then actually it's exactly what you expected and Miles gets them. I still think we might get a Spinneret situation where MJ gets to share peter's powers or something down the line.
The more I think about it, the more I feel almost every character that wasn't Peter was under served in this game. They all feel like they had less development than the movies, but this is a game that's 5x as long.
They didn't even need to do it in the main storyline, they could've expanded on the characters in the side content instead of mindless busy work.
They didn't even need to do it in the main storyline, they could've expanded on the characters in the side content instead of mindless busy work.
I liked that MJ finally admitted sometimes she did do some stupid things in the end - before that admission/fight with Peter, it seemed mostly 'Peter's fault', and she kept insisting that she didn't need to be saved, despite going into multiple life-threatening situations without any sort of defense until she picks up the stun gun in her last mission.
I could certainly see her point of view and being tired of Peter's split-focus and hero complex, but for a bit there it felt a little odd. That being said, I really liked the argument/section where you're playing as her directing Spidey where to go and who to take down during the train station.
OTOH, Miles felt a little weak as a sudden 'player character' addition - without having knowledge of ultimate Spider-Man, it would seem like he's a totally random dude who just happens to luck into Spider-powers.
Aunt May also felt a little bit weak - her death was well executed, in that Peter recognizes the needs of the countless New Yorkers versus being selfish, but it did feel like this particular Aunt May was a wee bit underutilized in the Peter/feast sections to make a 'huge' impact. BUT - I like the incidental 'NOPE' to One More Day.
Cameo/nod-wise, I liked the Eddie Brock fakeout with the garbage guy (unless his twitter name is false, the Eddie there has a different last name), the Raimi shoutout with the subway, and the animated suit being cel-shaded. Sable being the one person to enjoy the 'witticisms' was also nice, and the Mysterio fakeout during Halloween was also fun.
However, while I'm (trying) to not add to the 'controversy' around Black Cat into account, having the Black Cat section end up in a nothing-burger feels....not nearly as bad as the ME3 original 'buy our DLC' message, but does feel at least somewhat similar there.
As for the plot/sequel...given that Spidey already fought off Mr. Negative's 'mind control via angry emotions' attempt, I can't see the symbiote plotline working quite the same way - unless Miles somehow starts upstaging him, but that would ruin the buddy/mentor dynamic they'd presumably want to build there.
Harry looked briefly like he had tentacle hands, and JJ's son is already in outer space, so having it go to Harry, and/or Norman futzing about with it and fusing some of his lab-spiders to it and forming the symbiote would be possible - albeit that would maybe 'cheapen' the connection the symbiote/venom has to Spider-Man
(sidenote, I realize it's game-mechanics related, but I thought it interesting that, unless I'm remembering wrong, Scorpion in cutscenes doesn't set off the spidey-sense - such as when he slashes you with the poison - but in the battle with him and Rhino he does set it off)
Game-wise, I hope that the sequel has more 'build up' multi-tiered side missions that lead to a boss, a la Tombstone - and less of the 'overworld collectibles' without having a deeper connection/meaning to the story. If the stealth sections stay in.....I dunno. Maybe make it a little less insta-fail, and/or trial-and-error (in a few missions, not all of them)
IMO It'll likely either be Miles off doing his own thing in side missions (maybe in a separate part of New York), having 'overlapping' investigations, and/or getting to pick one or the other character (either the whole game, or at times). I don't know how well co-op would work when the combat is more frenetic than Arkham's already.
Edit:
Goblin is definitely happening at some point - Norman has active research on how to duplicate spider-powers (the lab spiders AND his notes on the table), has 'homemade' grenades, and the mask - the question is whether it will be Norman or Harry as the Green Goblin, or whether some rando becomes the Hobgoblin.
I could certainly see her point of view and being tired of Peter's split-focus and hero complex, but for a bit there it felt a little odd. That being said, I really liked the argument/section where you're playing as her directing Spidey where to go and who to take down during the train station.
OTOH, Miles felt a little weak as a sudden 'player character' addition - without having knowledge of ultimate Spider-Man, it would seem like he's a totally random dude who just happens to luck into Spider-powers.
Aunt May also felt a little bit weak - her death was well executed, in that Peter recognizes the needs of the countless New Yorkers versus being selfish, but it did feel like this particular Aunt May was a wee bit underutilized in the Peter/feast sections to make a 'huge' impact. BUT - I like the incidental 'NOPE' to One More Day.
Cameo/nod-wise, I liked the Eddie Brock fakeout with the garbage guy (unless his twitter name is false, the Eddie there has a different last name), the Raimi shoutout with the subway, and the animated suit being cel-shaded. Sable being the one person to enjoy the 'witticisms' was also nice, and the Mysterio fakeout during Halloween was also fun.
However, while I'm (trying) to not add to the 'controversy' around Black Cat into account, having the Black Cat section end up in a nothing-burger feels....not nearly as bad as the ME3 original 'buy our DLC' message, but does feel at least somewhat similar there.
As for the plot/sequel...given that Spidey already fought off Mr. Negative's 'mind control via angry emotions' attempt, I can't see the symbiote plotline working quite the same way - unless Miles somehow starts upstaging him, but that would ruin the buddy/mentor dynamic they'd presumably want to build there.
Harry looked briefly like he had tentacle hands, and JJ's son is already in outer space, so having it go to Harry, and/or Norman futzing about with it and fusing some of his lab-spiders to it and forming the symbiote would be possible - albeit that would maybe 'cheapen' the connection the symbiote/venom has to Spider-Man
(sidenote, I realize it's game-mechanics related, but I thought it interesting that, unless I'm remembering wrong, Scorpion in cutscenes doesn't set off the spidey-sense - such as when he slashes you with the poison - but in the battle with him and Rhino he does set it off)
Game-wise, I hope that the sequel has more 'build up' multi-tiered side missions that lead to a boss, a la Tombstone - and less of the 'overworld collectibles' without having a deeper connection/meaning to the story. If the stealth sections stay in.....I dunno. Maybe make it a little less insta-fail, and/or trial-and-error (in a few missions, not all of them)
IMO It'll likely either be Miles off doing his own thing in side missions (maybe in a separate part of New York), having 'overlapping' investigations, and/or getting to pick one or the other character (either the whole game, or at times). I don't know how well co-op would work when the combat is more frenetic than Arkham's already.
Edit:
Goblin is definitely happening at some point - Norman has active research on how to duplicate spider-powers (the lab spiders AND his notes on the table), has 'homemade' grenades, and the mask - the question is whether it will be Norman or Harry as the Green Goblin, or whether some rando becomes the Hobgoblin.
Goblin and Symbiotes are definitely up next. Wonder if they're intending to do both in one game? Surprised me that Harry had the symbiote.
Give me Kraven, Mysterio and a child with a missing balloon.
Give me Kraven, Mysterio and a child with a missing balloon.
Hmm we know Dlc 1 is about Black cat so gotta wonder what the other 2 our i think 2 will be Fisk and hammer head since it is called turf war and 3 dealing width Silver Sable
While I really enjoyed the Peter/MJ dynamic here she did feel a little off to me. Like here you are putting yourself in situations where getting caught would most certainly mean getting killed and you get mad at Peter for worrying so much. Feels like they had to nerf Peter's competence a bit to build her up. But I also feel like that's part of her own character arc, she realizes that she really does need to rely on him if she's going to do things like that so I'm looking forward to seeing how things go forward. If they aren't hitched by the end of Pt. 3 I'll be shocked.