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Veelk

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Oct 25, 2017
14,711
I was gonna just write "Hereditary spoilers" in the title, but if I mention demonic possession in the title and then say Hereditatary spoilers, well, that kinda says it all. But I'm gonna go into more details in the next section, so I'll spoiler that.

Anyway, I just saw the movie and it was a good movie, but this always kinda bugged me as...well, not a plothole, but a weakness of the premise of demonic possession as a storytelling device.

Okay, so by the end of the movie, King Paimon has just had his followers enact some really extravagant and complicated rituals to ensure he got himself a young, male heir, because all he's had before was the female ones, which he didn't want. The thing is that there is a duality of both powerfulness and powerlessness to this.

On one hand, the guy seems omnipotent as a spirit. His followers can somehow engineer a series of coincidental events resulting in the decapitation of Charlie, which is the catalyst that sets everything in the plot in motion, as Paimon was trapped in her body at the time (if you don't know, the telephone pole was marked with his symbol, implied the accident was predetermined). And of course, he seems all knowing, omnipresent, and can do anything from setting you on fire at will to invading your mind at will. His only limit seems to be that it takes a while to scrape the entirety of other peoples souls out before moving in. But other than that, he's got levitation, super strength, etc. He's already got it all.

But his goal is to get a young, male body. Okay, so he does that. What now? Congratz, you've got possession of a teenager. Now what? Seriously, they never actually explain what the ends of a possession are supposed to be. The only thing we kinda know is that his followers want him to reward them with shit for their loyalty, but he could have done that as a spirit. What does HE get out of this? Why is him living in the real world a step up when he's literally a king of hell? Maybe hell is torturous, but again, as a spirit, he seems to be chilling out on earth just fine. And in the end, it's like, I always try to think what the point of all this was from the demons perspective, other than just plain evilness.

This is also a problem I've seen in other movies. Like the exorcist, Pazuzu just goes for one random kid. Pazuzu got exorcised, but what would have happened if he had won? Same thing as Paimon, he would have just been in the body of some random kid. He could cause some trouble on earth due to his demonic powers, but other than the sheer evil glee of causing bad shit to happen, he doesn't seem to have a plan. And I've seen this happen in other movies too.

Now, on the other hand, why don't demons possess more high value targets, like celebrities or presidents (I know, I know...trump). We never get movies about demons going after significant people in history, just some middle class sorry ass family in the middle of bumblefuck nowhere. I'd like to see a movie of demonic possession done to someone that a demon could do some real worldly damage to. That'd be truly scary.
 

Nappuccino

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
13,025
I've always thought it was that demons needed weak-minded people to turn, which are often (in fiction at least) kids. Basically, they're limited in their host selection to begin with.

But I guess most films also just go with "what is spookier to the audience." An audience of parents and young adults are going to find little kids, or teenagers spooky. There's a lot of weird things that kids do, and thanks to movies like this, you'll be inclined to ask yourself "is something wrong with that kid?"

I suppose you could also argue that demons have all the time in the world. Waiting for a teenaged body to age a little, or using demon powers to help get the teen in a position of power within 10 years doesn't seem that bad of a deal either.
 
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Platy

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Oct 25, 2017
27,704
Brazil
Which is why I like movies where the person does something that influences why the demon possessed then. Like inviting, profaning solid grounds, playing ouija board... why was this person possesed ? because he fucked it up
 

Sho_Nuff82

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Nov 14, 2017
18,447
I just finished watching Hereditary, and I had kinda the same thought.

Also, why does he need the explanation at the end? Presumably he's been planning this for some time.
 

Phatmanny

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Nov 14, 2017
209
Which is why I like movies where the person does something that influences why the demon possessed then. Like inviting, profaning solid grounds, playing ouija board... why was this person possesed ? because he fucked it up

Totally get that, usually in horror movies where there is some big bad coming for you, it's due to some sin the protagonist committed. However that's the opposite of what they were going for with hereditary thematically. The movie played with the idea in which the protagonists have zero agency. That's what made it so scary for me personally.
 

Phatmanny

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Nov 14, 2017
209
I just finished watching Hereditary, and I had kinda the same thought.

Also, why does he need the explanation at the end? Presumably he's been planning this for some time.

Yeah the explanation so totally came off intended to help the audience understand what happened. Loved the movie and the ending but that was a sour note.
 

BLOODED_hands

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Oct 25, 2017
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I've always thought it was that demons needed weak-minded people to turn, which are often (in fiction at least) kids. Basically, they're limited in their host selection to begin with.

Yeah. This is a common trope and myth that demons/ghosts usually go after weak-minded people or susceptible people. Vulnerable after a breakup, tragedy, etc.

Usually very afraid of people with a strong will or a deep and strong connection with God(s).
 

Harken Raiser

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Oct 25, 2017
1,992
I imagine that a decent chunk of fans of demonic possession movies like the feeling that the events of a movie could happen, that maybe demons, ghosts, and other entities might really be out there on the edges of society, lurking in the shadows. The idea that somebody somewhere might have gotten possessed is spooky - who knows if it really happened or not! But the president getting possessed would break that suspension of disbelief because even people who swear up and down that the supernatural is real know that a president has never been demonically possessed, meaning the movie can't happen and that it's "only" a work of fiction and therefore less plausible/scary.
 

Syriel

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Dec 13, 2017
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Now, on the other hand, why don't demons possess more high value targets, like celebrities or presidents (I know, I know...trump). We never get movies about demons going after significant people in history, just some middle class sorry ass family in the middle of bumblefuck nowhere. I'd like to see a movie of demonic possession done to someone that a demon could do some real worldly damage to. That'd be truly scary.

Would explain a lot.
 

laminated

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Oct 28, 2017
1,283
I'd like to see a movie where the possessed person grabs a 4 piece spicy combo from Popeyes, or goes skydiving. You know, enjoy things that spirits can't.

If I possessed someone, I'd pick someone with a long life and healthy. And I'd eat and eat and eat whatever I wanted.
 

MarioW

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Nov 5, 2017
1,155
New Zealand
Now, on the other hand, why don't demons possess more high value targets, like celebrities or presidents (I know, I know...trump). We never get movies about demons going after significant people in history, just some middle class sorry ass family in the middle of bumblefuck nowhere. I'd like to see a movie of demonic possession done to someone that a demon could do some real worldly damage to. That'd be truly scary.

Not possession but The Omen at least did this right placing the anti christ in a position of wealth and power by swapping out the child of an ambassador.
 

The Silver

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Oct 28, 2017
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In Supernatural, Lucifer possessed the President and had sex with a woman who birthed the antichrist who is actually a nice guy.
 

Dracon

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'd like to see a movie where the possessed person grabs a 4 piece spicy combo from Popeyes, or goes skydiving. You know, enjoy things that spirits can't.

If I possessed someone, I'd pick someone with a long life and healthy. And I'd eat and eat and eat whatever I wanted.


That wouldnt help a movie plot, but it is what religions that are heavily based on spirits influence usually talks about, like spirits obsessing people that have the same adiction as them.
 

TheCthultist

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Oct 27, 2017
8,450
New York
It's one of the things that makes demons my all time favorite monsters/villains to see in fiction. Incredible amounts of insanely nebulously-defined power, combined with rulesets that make actually doing anything with all that power super non-viable on anything more than a micro-scale. Lets writers make them as big or small of a threat as needed without ever really taking away from their potential for destruction.
 

antonz

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Oct 25, 2017
5,309
Demonic Possession in many cases is supposed to be about destroying innocence which is why Children are often targets in lore because Innocence corrupted to such a degree is supposed to be terrifying. A Successful demonic possession is supposed to bring damnation for its victim so can kind of see why Children would be an ultimate target or going after someone very religious.

Damning someone like Trump to hell by possessing them isn't very interesting since Trump himself is paving the way on that one based on the ideas of heaven and hell
 

laminated

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Oct 28, 2017
1,283
That wouldnt help a movie plot, but it is what religions that are heavily based on spirits influence usually talks about, like spirits obsessing people that have the same adiction as them.

So the intent for possession is not to experience physical pleasure that humans do? Ah I admittedly don't know much about possession theory or history. All my knowledge in the area comes from a single viewing of Repossessed starring Leslie Nielsen
 

Toxi

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
17,550
I'd like to see a movie where the possessed person grabs a 4 piece spicy combo from Popeyes, or goes skydiving. You know, enjoy things that spirits can't.

If I possessed someone, I'd pick someone with a long life and healthy. And I'd eat and eat and eat whatever I wanted.

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