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norealmx

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Oct 27, 2017
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User Banned (3 Days): Unwarranted attack and posting conspiracy theories.
Next you'll tell me Jim Sterling is poisoning the water and turning the frogs gay

Come on son
"Let's get mad about someone thinking this fat bloke's 'controversy' was fabricated, and the actual manipulation he benefited from!"

Come on, mijo.

Besides, unlike the gay frog guy, I don't have a radio show.
 

Squid Bunny

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"Let's get mad about someone thinking this fat bloke's 'controversy' was fabricated, and the actual manipulation he benefited from!"
Yes, this thread definitely shows how Sterling endlessly benefited from the controversy. Everyone loves him.

This thread is 100% about how review conspiracy theories are, at best, silly and, at worst, toxic, and you decide it's the place to throw in your own conspiracy? Come on son
 

norealmx

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Oct 27, 2017
722
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Yes, this thread definitely shows how Sterling endlessly benefited from the controversy. Everyone loves him.

This thread is 100% about how review conspiracy theories are, at best, silly and, at worst, toxic, and you decide it's the place to throw in your own conspiracy? Come on son
Look, it doesn't matter, maybe in 40 years I will happen to see someone watching old videos from that guy and me in all my old man wisdom will say "oh, yeah, I remember him, he gave a 7 to some Zelda game and people were MAD".

And that will be the end of it.
 

Deleted member 26104

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The Uncharted 3 8/10 was amazing for a few reasons.

1. It hammered home just how ridiculous the console wars are.

2. It really showed you who the people to ignore were.

3. It showed how stupid having review scores for highly subjective things like video games are.

4. It brought a lot of attention to the overwhelming bias that the old forum had, and made it pretty much impossible for anyone to deny.

I don't participate in review or guess the MC or "hype check" threads because all they are are opinion validation threads. People have already decided what score a game should be before they've even played it and anything below that is biased, wrong, has an agenda, and is a fanboy looking for attention. Give it above that score and you're a bastion of knowledge, an unbiased Saint, a respectable publication that should be trusted. At least until the next review.

Any big first party release for the forum favourite console gets this same treatment. Games like Knack, the order, no man's sky, etc all have been built up to be GOTY titles before anyone has even played them, even when most of the showings look subpar at best and plain bad at worst.

Honestly I was hoping a big publication would dare give Spiderman a 6-7/10, just so I could watch the inevitable meltdowns. They would've been amazing. I saw people getting upset over it being a MC of 87 instead of an 88 for Christ's sake, like that matters.

A more recent one was that Forza Horizon 3 review that basically called Playground lazy and obviously bored with making car games
I don't think that really fits this thread though. Giving a game that was almost universally praised as one of the best games in the genre in forever, as well as one of the best games of the generation, which is still praised to this day, a 4/10 and giving some obviously BS reasons for it like you said, isn't the same as someone getting irrationally upset at a game they haven't played "only" getting a 8.8/10.

You look at the list of reviews for FH3 and read a few and there's one that sticks out like a sore thumb. That was clearly someone that didn't want to give the game a good score from the get-go. An 8.8 is a damn good score, that's why the reactions were so amazing to watch. A 4/10 in this day and age says the game is virtually "unplayable trash", and there's no subjective way anyone can call FH3 a 4/10.
 
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BigDes

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The Uncharted 3 review thread back on the old forum.

It was an appalling display of rampant consumerism at its most crass and shocking. People claiming, in apparently all seriousness that they were getting chest pains because a game they hadn't played yet wasn't getting the scores they had decided it should have done.

There was a wall of shame post about and I truly hope everyone quoted in it is thoroughly ashamed of how pathetic and easily manipulated they were.
 

Nothing Loud

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For context, Eurogamer gave Uncharted 3 an 8/10.

Edit: Credit to Mama Robotnik on the old site for compiling the quotes.

I'm on here and I stand by what I said lol.

The criticisms I read in the Eurogamer review were unconvincing. In retrospect, I agree that Uncharted 3 is a 8/10 but not for the reasons that were being mentioned. It faltered mostly because of plot holes and writing issues, but other than that, it was very close to a worthy sequel IMO.
 

Creamium

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Oct 25, 2017
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Runner up to these is Uncharted 4s Washington Post review. While the review was far harsher, unlike the other instances there was a big petition to remove the score from metacritic. That on its own wouldnt put it up there, but what really do it was Troy Baker supporting in it and encouraging people to sign it.
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He of course appologized later, but still.

Hah, didn't know about this. Removing a review because it has a dissenting opinion... The metacritic score obsession is tragic.
 

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The problem with that review, is that giving a 7 to that game was such a huge joke to Jim Sterling, and then he goes and gives 10 out of 10 to indie games that doesnt deserve it.

That's not a problem. You're part of the problem - the mere idea that "games don't deserve X score" shows that you don't seem to understand what reviews even are. Games deserve whatever score the reviewer decided to give them, period. There are no "objective" scores for games, and the sooner you realize this, the sooner you'll have a mature stance on reviews.

It's been a little while but I think the big reason a lot of people went crazy was his score lowered the metacritic average from 98 to 97.

Yeah, some gamers seem to feel that a game rating well validates them (because they bought it). It's kinda hilarious to watch. A game getting one point less on metacritic has zero impact on me. In fact, I really like some games with a 79 on metacritic.

Which is apparently impossible and horrible.
 

Medalion

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Oct 27, 2017
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The irony of the 7 for BOTW is in retrospect, with as many people people on here expressing their distaste for that game... a 7 may be generous for some people
 

Necron

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Oct 25, 2017
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Zelda fans are the absolute worst. I remember the '7 out 10' and even those Twilight Princess reviews. The amount of hate these events generated are exceptionally unique.

However, God of War '8 out 10' reactions from Edge were pretty pathetic too. Uncharted 3 reactions were crazy as well.
 

Pyro

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Jim Sterling giving BotW a 7/10 and the ensuing shitstorm was hilarious and saddening.
 

spineduke

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Oct 25, 2017
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You can still detect the Jim Sterling salt here, years after the event. Let it go chumps, its not worth your bubbling rage and hate.
 

Ahmedz

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Nov 27, 2017
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GameTrailers' review of Uncharted 2 with the infamous 9.3 set a lot of people off just because Modern Warfare 2 got a 9.5.

The reaction was embarrassing as hell.
 

MrBadger

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Oct 27, 2017
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I think the most embarrassing "review" controversy wasn't even because of a review. It was that Cuphead shit, where a journalist was bad at the game at an event, and then wrote an article praising it while acknowledging that he was terrible. Then when the game launched, reviewers unanimously praised it and said they loved the difficulty.

But because of this one video, gamers got it into their heads that reviewers HATED hard games and would mark them down because they were bad at them, and then came the demands for journalists to be sacked if they weren't good at games so this wouldn't happen again. And from there, gamers started claiming that reviewers were calling the game ablest (this never happened) and racist (because people dared to point out the source material for the animation) so it became a thing about SJW's wanting to ruin gaming. All the while everybody, even its critics, loved the game. It just made no sense at all...
 

haradaku7

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For context, Eurogamer gave Uncharted 3 an 8/10.

Edit: Credit to Mama Robotnik on the old site for compiling the quotes.

This is incredible, it was around this time I stopped looking at scores and just read reviews. People get so fixated on numbers it lowers their intelligence quite a large margin. The very prospect of getting upset and thinking that any game deserves a high score just because it is x series just makes me sad.
 

JoeNut

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Oct 27, 2017
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Review scores in general are a bad idea. I'm liking Polygon and Kotaku at the moment and they both just give a summary of the game, the former having a "recommended" or "essential" tag. Much better than a decimal scoring
 
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The idea of sitting around when the embargo lifts just to constantly refresh Metacritic to watch a number move every few minutes, will never not be pathetic. Any review score that fails to meet a certain mark is singled out and harassed, depending on the fandom of course. Even before Metacritic was a thing in the early 2000s, as soon as reviews were up, people would race to the pages, scroll to the bottom, then race back to gamespot or gamefaqs and make a new thread with the score. Every site has a different scale, but they're all lumped to together as if we're using the NA education system.

7/10 on some sites = good
7/10 in school = C- below average

Therefore, game is trash.
 
The second is the IGN "Too much water" Pokemon Ruby & Sapphire remake review because honestly, it bothers me the hypocrisy on display by the Pokemon fans. I remember a ton of dislike and criticism back in the day for the Hoenn region because it had to many water routes, Route 133 especially for the rapids... Which Game Freak agreed with which is why besides the remakes, we've never seen a region with that many water routes. Same with the too many HMs criticism, funny how the same fans who harassed her for that were praising Game Freak when they removed the HMs the very next game. Oh but because she was reviewer, it was okay for fans to harass and send her hate for saying that and again, 7.8 is a good score. The fact people turned it into a meme and pretend the threats never happened is one of the things that bothers me about the Pokemon Fandom.
Thw reason why people made it a meme is because the review itself is very poor.
 

Viceratops

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Jun 29, 2018
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The reaction to the 7/10 BoTW is absolutely the worst I've ever seen. For context, his review was one of the last to come out, we all knew it was coming, and it took BoTW from 98 to 97 with no chance of recovery. It still hurts people on this forum to this day.
 

Ultimadrago

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Oct 25, 2017
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The irony of the 7 for BOTW is in retrospect, with as many people people on here expressing their distaste for that game... a 7 may be generous for some people

Ha! I know, right? That's actually what happened with me and the Twilight Princess review. 8.8 ended up being generous for it in the end as far as I was concerned! lol

I think a 7 is only a little bit harsh on BotW, but I could easily see that score for it nonetheless.
 

Virtua Sanus

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Nov 24, 2017
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Most of these are platform warriors honestly. I recall Jeff Gertsmann saying he felt SEGA fanboys were the worst of the lot back in the day too. It makes sense considering how wild and experimental games like NiGHTS into Dreams, Shenmue, Phantasy Star Online, Seaman and Roommania (never localized) are.

As a huge Zelda fan I have felt the need to actively distance myself from a large amount of that fanbase just due to how so many of them treat every release in that franchise as the ultimate gift to gaming. They just completely lose their minds over any mild criticism. The 8.8 blowup is by far the worst; I do not think I would personally review a single Zelda game that highly. Especially not something like Twilight Princess that was bloated with stupid shit.
 

Asbsand

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Oct 30, 2017
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The irony of the 7 for BOTW is in retrospect, with as many people people on here expressing their distaste for that game... a 7 may be generous for some people
It's totally a 7/10 to me. Jim is a good critic.

I will say I think his 5/10s for Arkham Knight and Origins were a bit much though. Origins is at least a fun game with good moments and Knight is a less good Arkham Game but one that's still every bit as well made with all the attention to detail and passion poured into its unique moments. But it's funny because 5/10 should mean either "this game has some serious problems" or "this is just okay" and both descriptions are valid for either game I would say, as they do have mediocre aspects.
 

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It's totally a 7/10 to me. Jim is a good critic.

I will say I think his 5/10s for Arkham Knight and Origins were a bit much though. Origins is at least a fun game with good moments and Knight is a less good Arkham Game but one that's still every bit as well made with all the attention to detail and passion poured into its unique moments. But it's funny because 5/10 should mean either "this game has some serious problems" or "this is just okay" and both descriptions are valid for either game I would say, as they do have mediocre aspects.

I thought the problem with Origins was the technical issues on launch. Wasn't there an issue with the PC port as well?
 

Forkball

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Oct 25, 2017
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The 7.9 IGN gave Mario Kart Double Dash back in 2003 is still the OG review score blow up

Fran still gets hit with 7.9 memes to this day
This. It's hard to put in context, but when it came to IGN, the Nintendo fans were the most feverish. This was when Nintendo was getting bodied by Sony and newcomer Microsoft, and GCN fans clamored for anything that put the GCN in a positive light. The Nintendo editors were also the most well-known and beloved/hated on the site.

Reviews didn't just drop, I believe they announced beforehand, so much like pre-Direct hype threads, there was a lot of anticipation and nonsense being posted. Then it dropped.... Seven. Point. Nine. Anything under an 8 was basically unacceptable, the GALL of Fran not even giving the game the courtesy of an 8.0 was obscene.

People lost their minds. "7.9'd" became a meme, synonymous with getting owned. The fact that people have already brought it up in this thread, nearly 15 years later, shows how insane the reaction to that was.
 
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Carolyn Petit on Gamespot gave GTAV a 9/10, but still got hit with transphobic attacks and a petition to have her fired because she dared to criticize the game's portrayal of women. This was back in 2013 when GamerGate--which has permanently tainted my view of the gaming community--was just starting to pick up steam.
 

Virtua Sanus

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As someone who plays a load of fighting games, especially nowadays you really cannot trust reviews much. There is so much that players can learn about the games between 10 to 50 hours, let alone 100, 200 and more. These are not things reviewers can realistically tackle. Not to mention how many of these games just change so much fundamentally and mechanically as they get updated too.

Look at how glowing reviews for Street Fighter X Tekken were back when it launched. That game is legitimately one of the most hated fighting games of all time now.

Gamespot's Shenmue review is the first instance if this sort of thing that I can remember. In retrospect they were the only ones to see the game as it truly was.
No, the game was just always divisive. Plenty of outlets did not like it then just as they do not now. The new versions got a 75 on Metacrtic, which puts it in the green. Pretty similar to how it reviewed to back in the day, actually!

Some people enjoy games that others dislike. Crazy, I know!
 

RedStep

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Oct 27, 2017
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Review scores in general are a bad idea. I'm liking Polygon and Kotaku at the moment and they both just give a summary of the game, the former having a "recommended" or "essential" tag. Much better than a decimal scoring

How so? Other forms of subjective "art" (movies, music, tv, broadway shows) have review scores and they do fine. The difference is that their readers don't lose their minds over low scores. Make no mistake, that change is to avoid the immature wrath of gamers, not because it's a better fit.
 

jviggy43

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Oct 28, 2017
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A lot of people lost their minds when Jim Sterling gave Breath of the Wild a 7.
The thread on GAF was hilarious and embarrassing at the same time.
I had a poster tell me that it was just wrong to say there were any flaws with the game or that jim couldn't take issue with weapon durability or climbing. That shit was wild.
 

Joeyro

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For context, Eurogamer gave Uncharted 3 an 8/10.

Edit: Credit to Mama Robotnik on the old site for compiling the quotes.
Beautiful, it's one of the most memorable threads from the old place for me. Thankfully review threads has been quite timid since then but sometimes i miss the entertainment.
 

honest_ry

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Oct 30, 2017
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On the topic of Jim Sterling, he actually gave Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice a 1/10 because of one single bug. Game-breaking, yes, but a bug nontheless.

I've never liked that guy, to be completely honest. He's just the epitome of clickbait in gaming. Even when I agree with the message that he's trying to convey, he manages to fuck something up just to get some more views.

Justifiably so. He later re-reviewed it and gave it a 9.
 

Redcrayon

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Oct 27, 2017
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My favourite one of these was, in 2009, a Eurogamer reviewer (Ed Zitron) giving a 2/10 review to Darkfall Online. The comments are hilarious, full of 'hardcore gamers' raging about it. Eventually, claims about the logged server time of the reviewer (which, to be fair, the developer could have just made up) led to a careful, thoughtful re-review handled by Kieron Gillan, who gave it... 4/10. Guess whether this soothed the 'hardcore gamer' rage.
 

swift-darius

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For context, Eurogamer gave Uncharted 3 an 8/10.

Edit: Credit to Mama Robotnik on the old site for compiling the quotes.

I look at that image, and what immediately comes to mind is that current thread titled "do you identify yourself as a Gamer"

what an absolute embarrassment. petulant children and their tantrums
 

unicornKnight

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My favourite one of these was, in 2009, a Eurogamer reviewer (Ed Zitron) giving a 2/10 review to Darkfall Online. The comments are hilarious, full of 'hardcore gamers' raging about it. Eventually, claims about the logged server time of the reviewer (which, to be fair, the developer could have just made up) led to a careful, thoughtful re-review handled by Kieron Gillan, who gave it... 4/10. Guess whether this soothed the 'hardcore gamer' rage.
I remember this very well because it was first greek game production of that scale. Embarrassing for the reviewer if true but even more embarrassing for the company to call him out, it didn't help them look good.
 

JoeNut

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How so? Other forms of subjective "art" (movies, music, tv, broadway shows) have review scores and they do fine. The difference is that their readers don't lose their minds over low scores. Make no mistake, that change is to avoid the immature wrath of gamers, not because it's a better fit.
Because how can anyone differentiate between a 7.5 and an 8 game? What rules say that an 8 is better than a 7.5 and by what comparison? It's just too broad. A game is terrible, ok, good or great, but it could be anything in between too, some reviews even have like 6.7, what's the difference between a 6.5 and a 6.7?