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Fox pulls scene from 'The Predator' after director casts his pedophile friend in minor role
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When the job involves your character being repeat hit on by the person in question, I would think it means quite a bit. The parallels are just too cringeworthy to ignore. Why would you want to put yourself in the middle of a situation like that, as a female professional who already has to deal with harassment online?
For me, I work with kids. That's something I need to know.
I'd be grossed out to be informed I'd worked with a sicko pervert, never mind a paedophile. Good on her for taking a stand. No amount of "He's rehabilitated, honest!" would make it any less skin-crawling.
Someone stole cars in their youth, paid their debt to society, and turned shit around? No issues at all. A murderer? Yeah, no, I'd never be able to look someone like that in the eye, or trust them in any way. Like it or not, some crimes are just too far to ever be forgiven for many people. That may seem harsh, but tough titty, I wouldn't want to be around a gross pervert of any description.
Very disappointed in Shane Black. You hear a friend tried that shit, then I'm sorry, they're not really 'hang around the pool and enjoy a beer' material, ya know? They'd be dumped out of my life so fast....
Someone stole cars in their youth, paid their debt to society, and turned shit around? No issues at all. A murderer? Yeah, no, I'd never be able to look someone like that in the eye, or trust them in any way. Like it or not, some crimes are just too far to ever be forgiven for many people. That may seem harsh, but tough titty, I wouldn't want to be around a gross pervert of any description.
Very disappointed in Shane Black. You hear a friend tried that shit, then I'm sorry, they're not really 'hang around the pool and enjoy a beer' material, ya know? They'd be dumped out of my life so fast....
Nobody would cast RDJ when Shane pushed for him to be in Kiss Kiss Bang Bang.
Lucky this guy didn't get that far.
I'm honestly all for the rehabilitation of criminals and being able to enter society especially with how difficult it is for felons to be able to gain jobs in America because society makes it very difficult.
At the same time I totally get Munn side and honestly I wouldn't be comfortable either
At the same time I totally get Munn side and honestly I wouldn't be comfortable either
Sadly we will never know if he did. If he is willing and confident enough to talk to a 14yr old girl and want to meet her for sex. I am sure the guy is confident enough to look up underage abuse porn, which is offending
*edit: some reason forgot guy actually abused her. So fuck him
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It's really not. Criminal justice doesn't need to wait until a crime has been committed to intervene. It's okay to hold someone accountable for soliciting sex from a 14 year old without waiting for them to follow through.
He molested the girl, he just wasn't convicted of it. Read the link in the OP.
But a March 2009 arrest warrant affidavit — which identifies the 14-year-old only as "Jane Doe" — alleges that physical contact included "kissing, touching Doe's breast over her clothing, rubbing her legs and stroking her neck" on several occasions.
In one email message, Striegel told the girl that there was no one in the world he would rather have sex with. "I will be VERY honest: There's no question that it's you. None. Hope that doesn't totally freak you out, and just because it's what I want, and what you want, doesn't mean it's the right thing."
In other correspondence, he described his sexual preferences in graphic detail, including his favorite intercourse position and intimate grooming practices.
"EVERY thing you say turns me on!!" he wrote to Doe. "I love that it rocked you when I pulled your hair that time."
Yikes, to say the least.
What he was charged with:
CONTACTING MINOR WITH INTENT TO COMMIT A SPECIFIED SEX OFFENSE
https://www.shouselaw.com/contact-minor-felony.html
In one email message, Striegel told the girl that there was no one in the world he would rather have sex with. "I will be VERY honest: There's no question that it's you. None. Hope that doesn't totally freak you out, and just because it's what I want, and what you want, doesn't mean it's the right thing."
In other correspondence, he described his sexual preferences in graphic detail, including his favorite intercourse position and intimate grooming practices.
"EVERY thing you say turns me on!!" he wrote to Doe. "I love that it rocked you when I pulled your hair that time."
Yikes, to say the least.
What he was charged with:
CONTACTING MINOR WITH INTENT TO COMMIT A SPECIFIED SEX OFFENSE
https://www.shouselaw.com/contact-minor-felony.html
This honestly just shows you havn't bothered to read the thread properly, people have already explained this in painstaking detail.
Your argument might hold slightly more water if Shane Black had been more forthcoming in disclosing his friend's crime and made sure that people were ok with it instead of being all hush-hush about it and keeping everyone, even the studio, in the dark.
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I take it back. Fuck this guy forever. Yikes indeed.
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So Shane Black wants me to believe that he decided to stay friends with a man who had been arrested and sent to jail for attempting to solicit sex from a minor for years without learning the details of the case? Get the fuck out of here with that shit. If you are going to lie at least make it fucking believable.
Lol, yeah. There's a guy I worked with who ended up being a registered sex offender (statutory: he was 17, she was 16 parental problems etc). I wasn't even cordial with him and couldn't stand him but he was the boyfriend of a manager and despite them not outright telling their employees everyone knew in the matter of a week of meeting him the story. I have a very hard time believing Shane wouldn't know the details. Sounds more like he just doesn't care.
I mean, he's saying his friend lied to him about it.
I dunno, I've never had a friend who was charged with anything like that, but I can imagine if someone said they had to deal with some stupid court thing because of bla bla and made it sound believable that I wouldn't go hunting through court records to disprove them.
Not excusing what he did, it's shitty, but I don't think it sounds unbelievable at all.
And if nobody told you the situation? would you have gone and hunted it down? Because that's very different.
It sounded like you were posing a general question. But if you're going to put all of those caveats on it then yea it's weird.
No, but some people do. In fact I want to say one person found out by looking up his record without anyone telling him anything, they just overheard some of the stuff he liked to talk about and got uncomfortable (he was unrepentant but not blatant about it, he had just made incredibly inappropriate comments there too).
My manager (his gf) knew all the details and didn't try to pretend she didn't despite not meeting him until years after. My point is if those close to him knew the full story in my small little boring world then I doubt Shane wouldn't know any details, it just sounds like he's being wilfully ignorant.
Edit: HE WAS FLORIDA MAN INCARNATE
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Yup was totally defending a pedophile... The only mischaracterising arguments is you. Now I'll admit my first post was pretty terrible. But it did drum up a range of responses, some weren't too keen on rehabilitatating a pedophile and others would have been fine if he was a background extra. The thing is I'm not even sure if he should be out of prison reading how he defended his actions from before, and I certainly think people working along side him have a right to know of his past behaviour, so fuck Shane Black for not telling his cast members. I just was unconvinced that small talking roles were this privileged or welling paying gig, but after reading more posts, I think I agree he shouldn't be given a public platform and at best, only offered background work.
Olivia Munn Says Fox Didn't Return Her Call Initially After Reporting 'Predator' Sex Offender
https://variety.com/2018/film/news/...-sex-offender-exclusive-interview-1202933315/
https://variety.com/2018/film/news/...-sex-offender-exclusive-interview-1202933315/
Like... now is not the time to be petty and ghost your actor about their concerns about this shit.
Fucking Fox...
Fucking Black...
Fucking everything.
people bringing up "time served!" and "legal rehabilitation!" when it comes to offending pedophiles are making my eye twitch. The law is the only reason worthless flesh piles like this bastard don't have their skin peeled off slowly. That is as far as I'm willing to grant them, I'm sure as fuck not doing a single thing more than that. To think people advocate 'giving them a chance', holy fuck.
I mean giving a pedophile a job where they'll be seen around the world and pedophiles will know that they can get away with their crimes isn't rehabilitation.
It's like saying Catholic priests that abused children should be allowed to go back to that job - hell no they shouldn't.
It's like saying Catholic priests that abused children should be allowed to go back to that job - hell no they shouldn't.
I had a kind of job once and I had decisions to co-make that would allow people to get a certain job they wanted, this job was tightly regulated. My thoughts then were that within reason I'd look at if they were rehabilitated and give them the chance if I thought so.
There were a couple of situations where I leaned towards it not being practical. That was where they had committed a sexual crime and the other was where they had caused death or serious injury performing the same task they now wanted to be employed to do. Every time I was asked to decided on either of these I made the same decision to recommend blocking them.
For me, a sex crime conviction should preclude you from ever working with vulnerable groups again and I would add any kind of public role as well. By all means rehabilitate these men. Their own actions though should mean they need to make life changes and work in suitable roles.
There were a couple of situations where I leaned towards it not being practical. That was where they had committed a sexual crime and the other was where they had caused death or serious injury performing the same task they now wanted to be employed to do. Every time I was asked to decided on either of these I made the same decision to recommend blocking them.
For me, a sex crime conviction should preclude you from ever working with vulnerable groups again and I would add any kind of public role as well. By all means rehabilitate these men. Their own actions though should mean they need to make life changes and work in suitable roles.
Thinking more about this since this thread popped up again in my watch list.
The whole topic feels gross since we're talking about a pedophile, that's a given, but I think this raises some questions for me too:
Do we want convicted sex offenders to be unable to work at all? I see several posts about stuff like working in suitable roles, disclosing this to other employees, etc. But the reality is, as far as I'm aware, 'tell everyone you meet' is not part of being on a registry, nor is even disclosing it to your coworkers, at least in most states (if not all). Like, I think we'd all sit here and say we don't want to work with a child molester, but at the same time if we're literally trying to make these guys unhireable, we might as well just leave them in prison.
Similarly, presumably he can't be in contact with kids for work, and it's a Predator movie, so I'm assuming he didn't violate his restrictions in filming the scene, if he did that's a whole other level and would lead to serious jail time of course, so I think for now it's safe to assume there was no actual violation there.
I guess what I'm asking is: at what point is it ok for this guy to take a job? Does he have to self employ or work by himself in a ditch somewhere? You and I have all probably interacted with a sex offender in some fashion that was working in a public place before, be it a random employee at a grocery store or whatnot, is there any real difference? Should you or I have the ability to google a coworker, find them on a registry, and then get them fired even if they didn't violate their probation or whatever else in doing so? (I know, he wasn't, but you bet if she'd brought this up BEFORE the scene was shot he would have been, obviously).
I think all of our natural reactions is "THATS FUCKED UP HE DIDNT TELL ANYONE" but - as far as we're aware he's not required to in this case, and I'm not sure I like the idea that we're all 'yeah these guys need to be rehabilitated' while also being gung ho about making that nearly impossible to do simply because we don't want to work with them ourselves. Feels kind of like a catch-22: "I'm ok with these guys getting jobs, jsut not jobs with ME"
I dunno, random musings on the topic, I don't have any particular pity for this guy cause he did some fucking gross sounding shit (And yes, that probably makes me a hypocrite)
The whole topic feels gross since we're talking about a pedophile, that's a given, but I think this raises some questions for me too:
Do we want convicted sex offenders to be unable to work at all? I see several posts about stuff like working in suitable roles, disclosing this to other employees, etc. But the reality is, as far as I'm aware, 'tell everyone you meet' is not part of being on a registry, nor is even disclosing it to your coworkers, at least in most states (if not all). Like, I think we'd all sit here and say we don't want to work with a child molester, but at the same time if we're literally trying to make these guys unhireable, we might as well just leave them in prison.
Similarly, presumably he can't be in contact with kids for work, and it's a Predator movie, so I'm assuming he didn't violate his restrictions in filming the scene, if he did that's a whole other level and would lead to serious jail time of course, so I think for now it's safe to assume there was no actual violation there.
I guess what I'm asking is: at what point is it ok for this guy to take a job? Does he have to self employ or work by himself in a ditch somewhere? You and I have all probably interacted with a sex offender in some fashion that was working in a public place before, be it a random employee at a grocery store or whatnot, is there any real difference? Should you or I have the ability to google a coworker, find them on a registry, and then get them fired even if they didn't violate their probation or whatever else in doing so? (I know, he wasn't, but you bet if she'd brought this up BEFORE the scene was shot he would have been, obviously).
I think all of our natural reactions is "THATS FUCKED UP HE DIDNT TELL ANYONE" but - as far as we're aware he's not required to in this case, and I'm not sure I like the idea that we're all 'yeah these guys need to be rehabilitated' while also being gung ho about making that nearly impossible to do simply because we don't want to work with them ourselves. Feels kind of like a catch-22: "I'm ok with these guys getting jobs, jsut not jobs with ME"
I dunno, random musings on the topic, I don't have any particular pity for this guy cause he did some fucking gross sounding shit (And yes, that probably makes me a hypocrite)
Great post and I've been thinking about this as well. I think the real issue here is that being in a major Hollywood movie in even minor roles is a very prestigious honor that millions or even billions of people cannot ever hope to achieve. I think Olivia Munn may have been more offended at the prospect of her having once had to lick a PSP on a nerdy talk show to maybe become popular enough to maybe get the role this pedophile dude got purely through nepotism despite his garbage behavior. I'm 30 years old and the first time in my life I saw a predominantly Asian-cast film, not only made by Hollywood, but a successful one was a few weeks ago. How many minority pedophiles do you ever hear about getting roles in any prestigious industry, ever?
And to answer your point about the guy taking a job, let him clean hotels for a living. Let him be a custodian like the rest of us who have to work oftentimes humiliating jobs. Let him do the work minorities in this country have to do all day, every day. It's not taking anything away from him to not let him have this job. Millions of black men are in this country who can't get any job at all because they were incarcerated for a gram of marijuana in a country where Elon Musk is celebrated for taking a hit on camera. That's where the rage comes from and I can't blame anyone for feeling that way. I don't think this dude should have to starve to death, but it's more than fair he'd have to work a job like that Cosby Show actor who was recently "outed" for working at a grocery store.
I used to think the same way for many years about pedophiles, even worse actually. I was sexually abused as a child for over 2 years by a family friend and I held on to a lot of that anger growing up, even well after the person who did it to me was arrested (ironically for an unrelated crime). It wasn't until I ended up doing a therapy in my late teens that I moved past that anger and tried see the potential for forgiveness, at least for the ones that are actually sorry for what they did and even that took a long time.
Theres no doubting they did an fucking awful thing and deserved to go to jail, but long as they realize they hurt someone immensely, are repentant, and won't reoffend, I don't think shitting on them more is going to serve any purpose, may just make things worse. Same with trying to take away their jobs after release (As long as it doesn't have to do with kids).
I know it's not a popular view, and I can hear the pedo defence jokes already but I've had a while to think about this stuff due to circumstances and it's what I've come to. Granted, I can still understand the opposite view of just saying screw them all, especially from someone that was abused as well.
There is no understanding that an offending pedophile can reach, sincerely or not that will ever make them safe around any child again and as children are a part of society, I would rather the predator be excluded at every level. It's not about regaining trust, it's a permanent state of being and their whole life will be spent fighting an ever increasing urge to not ruin the life of a child, the truest definition of a monster. There is no 'making it worse' by minimizing their eventual damage however one can. That does serve a purpose.
What a bunch of bullshit! Like hell he didn't know about what he did. He's only saying this shit because he got called out for his bullshit and now is trying to save face by acting like he's a victim in this too.
Fuck you Shane Black.
Was there an edit with more details or something in the OP after the fact because I seriously can't wrap my mind around people on this forum actually defending this and wanting to give him a second chance.
Dude is a straight up pedophile. Really disappointed in Black.
Dude is a straight up pedophile. Really disappointed in Black.
certain crimes and types of people (and contexts surrounding them) will always be tied to behaviour which does not go away. these people are fundamentally broken and no value can be added to society. the passing of time and legal requirement not to disclose the conviction makes no difference.
some people will hack computers and can add value later by becoming security advisors. they broke the law but we don't equate crimes / criminals in a dispassionate manner because of the seriousness and nature. certain behaviours reflect whether an individual can be redeemed. avoiding paying tax may be a one off or a systematic abuse of the system, consequences and behaviour
contrast this with an adult who attempts to lure a child to meet with them. they have no place in society and this is why they (and others) downplay it because it's not the same as other crimes. people can be dispassionate about it and treat it as a thought exercise but it's awful through and through.
i don't doubt there may be some people who go to therapy or fear about talking about how they feel, they probably classify themselves as monsters and they'd be right. I cannot overstate enough how messed up it is.
people don't want to entertain or engage in such a discussion because it's incredibly uncomfortable and there is no comparator.
shane black has acted disgracefully
some people will hack computers and can add value later by becoming security advisors. they broke the law but we don't equate crimes / criminals in a dispassionate manner because of the seriousness and nature. certain behaviours reflect whether an individual can be redeemed. avoiding paying tax may be a one off or a systematic abuse of the system, consequences and behaviour
contrast this with an adult who attempts to lure a child to meet with them. they have no place in society and this is why they (and others) downplay it because it's not the same as other crimes. people can be dispassionate about it and treat it as a thought exercise but it's awful through and through.
i don't doubt there may be some people who go to therapy or fear about talking about how they feel, they probably classify themselves as monsters and they'd be right. I cannot overstate enough how messed up it is.
people don't want to entertain or engage in such a discussion because it's incredibly uncomfortable and there is no comparator.
shane black has acted disgracefully
Olivia Munn Says That Since Fighting to Cut Scene From The Predator, "I Feel Like I'm the One Going to Jail"
I'm now firmly in the fuck Shane Black camp, the rest can fuck also fuck off.
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What the fuck?
This sentiment is so dangerous, the view that people can't change, learn, or be rehabilitated is so toxic. I don't care for this dude at all but your language is way too far.
"I personally chose to help a friend," Black said in a written statement to The Times. "I can understand others might disapprove, as his conviction was on a sensitive charge and not to be taken lightly.
Black defended his decision to cast Striegel in a small part in "The Predator" as a jogger who repeatedly hits on Munn's character.
Good god
Hire a sex offender to take on a role of a sexual harasser.
Black defended his decision to cast Striegel in a small part in "The Predator" as a jogger who repeatedly hits on Munn's character.
Good god
Hire a sex offender to take on a role of a sexual harasser.
This whole situation is a mess and Black, the studio, and now the cast sans Munn, are handling it terribly.
