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Dalek

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Oct 25, 2017
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Cracked Millennium Tower window could be part of larger problems

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San Francisco officials were still working Thursday to determine whether a cracked window on the 36th floor of the sinking, tilting Millennium Tower is a one-off incident or a symptom of the building's more serious problems.

The city's Department of Building Inspection sent a field inspector and two structural engineers to the luxury high-rise Thursday morning to take a closer look at the fissure. They were following up on a preliminary assessment conducted by the department Wednesday, said spokesman Bill Strawn.

As a safety precaution, the city's Public Works Department set up sidewalk barricades on Mission Street to prevent pedestrians from straying underneath the area where glass could fall if the window shatters or pops out. Supervisor Aaron Peskin called the issue a "serious public safety concern."

The city's evaluation will be paired with a report on the crack and its causes from Millennium management that's due to inspection department officials by Friday afternoon. The city has asked Millennium to specifically evaluate the condition of the building's so-called curtain wall, or outer facade. The windows are part of the curtain wall.

Deficiencies with the curtain wall could be emblematic of the building's deeper problems. Since it opened in 2009, the tower has sunk by around 18 inches and tilted to one side, prompting grave concerns about the building's structural integrity — and a flurry of lawsuits and finger-pointing over who's to blame.

Millennium homeowner Jerry Dodson, who knows the residents in the unit with the cracked window, said they were jolted awake early Saturday morning by "a loud crash" and saw that their window had cracked.

Dodson and 19 other Millennium residents are suing the tower's developer, Millennium Partners — along with the city inspection department, the city attorney and the Transbay Joint Powers Authority — alleging that the builder and city officials knew that the high-rise was sinking but didn't disclose it to buyers. The city and the developer have denied those allegations.

"If you live in a unit where (the crack) happened, you have to be continually concerned if that's the only window, or just the first," said Dodson.
 

I am a Bird

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Oct 31, 2017
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wasn't that the tower that they didn't mount into bedrock. I don't know what I would do if I was jolted awake to see that. Other than leave.
 

Quinton

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Damn, this is scary. Hoping nothing catastrophic happens. I'll need to read up on the history of this situation more.
 

Yung Coconut

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Oct 31, 2017
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Pretty damn scary. And I bet rents like 7k a month, knowing sf

7k if you're hella lucky... 1.5 million for a 1 bedroom unit on a lower floor. Up to 6 million for other units... and that's after they found out it was sinking. There are also probably association dues and it's in a prime spot.

For comparison, my shitty studio in Inner Richmond is $2,250 a month and a garage is like $500 extra lol.
 
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Dalek

Dalek

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7k if you're hella lucky... 1.5 million for a 1 bedroom unit on a lower floor. Up to 6 million for other units... and that's after they found out it was sinking. There are also probably condo Association dues and it's in a prime spot.

For comparison, my shitty studio in Inner Richmond is $2,250 a month and a garage is like $500 extra lol.

Yep. It's prime real estate especially now that it's right next to Salesforce Park
 

Username1198

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7k if you're hella lucky... 1.5 million for a 1 bedroom unit on a lower floor. Up to 6 million for other units... and that's after they found out it was sinking. There are also probably association dues and it's in a prime spot.

For comparison, my shitty studio in Inner Richmond is $2,250 a month and a garage is like $500 extra lol.

Wow. I thought I was being funny by over stating the amount. I just....wow.

And yikes 2250! I'm near sac and pay about 1400$ and I can barely afford it lol
 

R0987

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Jan 20, 2018
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This was also the tower that started to sink into the ground no. If that is the case why not just demolish it and start over.
 

TheMadTitan

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Oct 27, 2017
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Yeah... Tear it down. What are you waiting for? A major earthquake?
Gotta use the earthquake as cover for the "we didn't know this could happen" speech that we hear every goddamn year in hurricane season, where countless homes were built or repaired in flood zones that should've been abandoned ages ago.
 

Ashhong

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Oct 26, 2017
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Wait so they are homes people bought? How does it work if they need to tear it down? What about the millions people have invested
 

vertigo

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NO THANK YOU.

just looking at that picture gives me anxiety, cant imagine what i'd do if I saw that on my window.
 

Dyle

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Oct 25, 2017
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This building has been such a mess since it was built, it's the perfect combination of poor planning, shoddy workmanship, and building on unstable ground in an earthquake zone. It's wild to me that these problems have been known for years but apartment owners have no choice but to live there since no one is willing to buy their units so the only way to leave is to take a big financial hit
 

Nivash

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Count me in with the group that thought New Crack was like New Coke, except drugs
 
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Dalek

Dalek

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I thought this was a joke post so I googled... and there really is a park called Salesforce Park? we full dystopia

To be fair-they just paid for a park and public space to be created on the roof of the new Transbay Terminal as its right next to Salesforce Tower. That's space that would otherwise go unused. It's actually very nice and massive.

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ahoyhoy

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Gotta use the earthquake as cover for the "we didn't know this could happen" speech that we hear every goddamn year in hurricane season, where countless homes were built or repaired in flood zones that should've been abandoned ages ago.

Yep. Everyone will have foreseen the collapse and yet no one will be properly punished for the cost in lives and damages that will result.
 

Zulith

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It's a pretty massive building... but yeah, the worrying part for me is that it's literally right next to the new Salesforce Transit Center / Salesforce Park, which is a really nice new building where all the transbay buses come in. It will more-or-less be our grand central station once the high speed rail is installed there (though construction hasn't even begun on that so... a while off) I ride form there most workdays and I'm worried that anything bad happening there will impact its neighbors
 

s_mirage

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Oct 25, 2017
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So let me get this straight: they built the tower on sand and didn't anchor it to bedrock in order to reduce cost, in an city prone to earthquakes, on a particular site likely to suffer from liquefaction? WTF? I dread the news that we're going to see one day, because San Francisco is a disaster waiting to happen.
 
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Fortunately, Dubai has the benefit of not being on a major earthquake fault line. SF is a catastrophe waiting to happen.

The NYT had a great piece outlining this earlier this year: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/04/17/us/san-francisco-earthquake-seismic-gamble.html

I forget what it's called but there's a map indicating all the spots that could be sunk holes in SF due to the amount pumping they did to build out the island. A lot of abandoned ships are found in FiDi when they build because it all used to be a shipping port
 

Musubi

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Can we like maybe do something about this before a lot of people get killed when this thing eventually topples?
 

bangai-o

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"Inhabitants of Millenium Tower, this is Judge Dredd. In case you people have forgotten, this block operates under the same rules as the rest of the city. Ma-Ma is not the law... I am the law."
 

Rad Bandolar

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I hope the geotechnical firm who did the soil analysis and provided their recommendations covered their ass in their report. The legal shit flows downhill and they're at the bottom of it.
 

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People are still living in it? What the fuck.

Disaster waiting to happen.
 

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Syriel

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wasn't that the tower that they didn't mount into bedrock. I don't know what I would do if I was jolted awake to see that. Other than leave.

That's the one.

That in itself isn't out of the ordinary. You can build very tall buildings in soil/clay if you design the foundations properly. If.

For SF it was risky from the start, especially after other changes were made to the building.

Technically the plans were OK, so long as nothing went wrong.

Yep. It's prime real estate especially now that it's right next to Salesforce Park

It'll still be prime real estate after the tower comes down too. Hopefully it doesn't take out Salesforce Park with it.

Wait so they are homes people bought? How does it work if they need to tear it down? What about the millions people have invested

If it gets bad enough, it'll be like any other red tagged home. Options will be to sue the developers, claim insurance, or take the loss.

If it falls which direction would be in danger?

It'll likely fall towards the Transbay Terminal and Salesforce Tower if it falls, but realistically the building will be red tagged long before that happens.

Would they have to do that? Or could they do additional work to stabilize the foundation (probably at very great cost and effort)? I know you can do it with smaller buildings.

Super expensive, not guaranteed to work. Honestly, this is a building that would have been 100% fine if they just anchored it to bedrock in the first place and didn't try to go cheap on the foundation.

So let me get this straight: they built the tower on sand and didn't anchor it to bedrock in order to reduce cost, in an city prone to earthquakes, on a particular site likely to suffer from liquefaction? WTF? I dread the news that we're going to see one day, because San Francisco is a disaster waiting to happen.

Pretty much. Most buildings in the liquefaction areas are either smaller or anchored to bedrock. The vast majority of downtown SF is safe. I'd be more worried about the Marina district than downtown in a major earthquake.