This is populist, watercooler nonsense talk.
Owned Nothing but BMWs and Mercs. Half of my family owns german cars and I have family and friends that work for BMW and Mercedes.
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Tesla Model 3 outsells entire BMW lineup in August (USA)
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This is populist, watercooler nonsense talk.
Owned Nothing but BMWs and Mercs. Half of my family owns german cars and I have family and friends that work for BMW and Mercedes.
I worked for Mercedes up until a couple years ago at their powertrain plant.
Had several company cars in my time and 3 of them had problems
I also own two BMWs, a 335d and an M140i, the 335d needed a new steering rack after 30k miles, would have cost me 5k had I not insisted on a years warranty from the dealer I bought it from.
I'd argue against reliability surveys, in my experiance it's always luck of the draw.
It looks like a car a first grader would draw. Its bizarre proportions are much more obvious in person.
It doesn't look that different from the other goofy looking electric cars people bring up in this thread.
These things look horrible in person. Some people love em though that's their thing
Bought a brand new 5 series a few years back. Currently at 50,000 miles and not a single problem. Drives just as well as the day I bought it.
This is in contrast to the Toyotas I used to have. Not that they aren't reliable (they are), but I notice their driving characteristics don't hold up over time, even though they still "work".
I think you have to draw a line between new and used German cars. Very big difference buying new versus buying someone's 3 year old lease.
This is in contrast to the Toyotas I used to have. Not that they aren't reliable (they are), but I notice their driving characteristics don't hold up over time, even though they still "work".
I think you have to draw a line between new and used German cars. Very big difference buying new versus buying someone's 3 year old lease.
My comment was on down stream tech. Meaning some of the work they've done does filter down. It's completely disingenuous to state that there racing to catch up. You're acting as if they're step 0 and have no plan. The tech does get there but it's different than just build and let's see.
Le Mans hybrid tech with braking helped with consumer cars and Audi's Quattro came from group b. I don't doubt there's similar items being worked on at racing programs that will serve as basis for consumer cars
Are they owners or manufacturers? I could've swore the Formula E teams all used the same car, not manufactured by the owners (like in F1).
They are as reliable as any other major brand, if not usually above average.
Surveys are indeed a poor measure of general quality/reliability. You see low end KIAs and Dacias leading polls because there is less to fuck up in these cheap cars and these brands have less performance models.
Also, people who own expensive luxury/performance cars tend to let less issues slide than those with cheapo ones. Something else to take into account when you go look at consumer stats.
Proud to have been one of those Model 3 sales in August. Hope they can keep this momentum going. A win for Tesla is a win for all EVs, and that's a win for us all.
Lol now you are just trolling, if you think the Leaf or anyother garbage electric designs like the one BMW has compares to the Model 3
same car but the motor and transmission are all designed by the teams. so Jaguar's motor is their own design
looks are subjective. I personally think the model 3 exterior looks bland/boring, and I also dislike the interior design. If I were in the market for an electric car I wouldn't consider a model 3 because of that.
Hear way too many horror stories from even less than 5 yr old BMW owners. I do think Benz and Audi have actually been pretty good since 2010 or so.
Car looks are subjective. People passing them around like facts or something lol.
Model3 looks nice. Looks a bit weird head on and the interior would take some getting used to but overall it's a very nice car and i wouldn't feel one ounce of shame driving one.
Only problem is I nearly fell into those giant gaps between the panels a few times. Luckily the Tesla experts on this forum warned me /s
Model3 looks nice. Looks a bit weird head on and the interior would take some getting used to but overall it's a very nice car and i wouldn't feel one ounce of shame driving one.
Only problem is I nearly fell into those giant gaps between the panels a few times. Luckily the Tesla experts on this forum warned me /s
I hate how they changed the fascia to be one solid color. the offset with the black in the earlier Model Ss were a good look. as for the Model 3, I don't find it particularly striking. aside from the slopped rear with no trunk lip, it's kinda generic to me
Agree about the model S. I think the pre-facelift model S is better looking than their current cars.
As soon as I graduate and get a job I'm buying a model 3 with the dual motor. The model 3 is a slick looking car, it looks like a Jag had a baby with a mazda 6. My only wish is that the model 3 had fancy doors.
All car makers are doomed once transportation reaches light speed!like the X1 and X2 as , to preempt the "Tesla is doomed once Ford, Mercedes, Porsche, whoever start making EVs" line of thinking. Here is Model 3 vs Chevy Bolt sales:
Tesla has great looking cars, no doubt. That plus the usable ranges that they bring to alleviate range anxiety. They have a lot of tech. But like dark1x said it's weird detail shit. Like the Model 3s with the falling off rear bumpers because they didn't have drain holes. This is like, something my rear bumper on my 2003 Civic has lol.
just to be fair, he was talking about the 2014 model. but, imo, the newer models aren't that much better for the price
This is harsh on my end but that interior above someone posted reminds me of furniture from Ikea or wayfair with the way the faux wood is done.
Having a chance to ride in a 2017 100d a few months ago I came away thoroughly unimpressed with the interior quality. Honestly I feel that the current A4, a car less than half the price runs literal circles around the Tesla in terms of interior refinement.
While I understand that it's not as important for everyone, if I'm dropping that kind of money on a car the interior quality simply would have to be better.
While I understand that it's not as important for everyone, if I'm dropping that kind of money on a car the interior quality simply would have to be better.
I recently had a Model S loaner when I took my 3 into service, and I agree the interior is unimpressive even when compare to the 3. (I love 3's minimalism FWIW.)
From my understanding, there's only been minor iterative updates to S's interior since 2012, and it's due for a major overhaul whenever they move S and X to 3's new battery tech, likely in 2020.
From my understanding, there's only been minor iterative updates to S's interior since 2012, and it's due for a major overhaul whenever they move S and X to 3's new battery tech, likely in 2020.
Someone at my job site has a Model 3. The body is charcoal coloured, with carbon fiber door handles and black rims. I pulled up beside it yesterday and took a look inside. Very cool looking car! I think asthetics is something Tesla has nailed so far. The car just looks excellent!
No question. Going from a Model X into an Audi Q5 is like stepping into a Rolls Royce.
It really is one of the ugliest cars I've ever seen, both inside and out.
Is this the interior? This is fucking awful lol
No lies detected really. Tesla has quite a way to go especially when it comes to interior quality.
the latter. specifically more sedans. BMW sells more comparable SUVs to the model X
it's worth noting that every manufacture's sedans are on the downtrend, regardless of price, while SUVs/CUVs are up
Is this the interior? This is fucking awful lol
I don't even care about cars but that's horrendous.
Speed replaces the "P" when you start to drive. You'll get used to it after 10 minutes of driving.
Is this the interior? This is fucking awful lol
classy wood trim
For the first 5 minutes. Several of my co-workers that have Model 3s have said that felt like a jarring change, but didn't think about it again after about 5-10 minutes of driving from the car delivery.
Tesla needs interior designers asap.
Like, with the same amount of plastics and materials, they could've come up with something 100x better.
That interior is depressing to look at. Its like that central screen is sucking all the personality of the cabin. As it is its a tablet with wheels, not a car with a tablet.
That steering wheel looks straight out of a 90s Hyundai
Like, with the same amount of plastics and materials, they could've come up with something 100x better.
That interior is depressing to look at. Its like that central screen is sucking all the personality of the cabin. As it is its a tablet with wheels, not a car with a tablet.
That steering wheel looks straight out of a 90s Hyundai
fitting as Elon is trying to run a car company as a new-age, Silicon Valley tech company
Yeah I can't stand the Model 3's interior. Too much focus on minimalism and the tablet.
I would at least add a speedometer in the middle console (never drove it but just seems I would never get used to it on the tablet) and a few more steering wheel buttons.
I would at least add a speedometer in the middle console (never drove it but just seems I would never get used to it on the tablet) and a few more steering wheel buttons.
Exactly.
Not sure why but I legit LOL-ed at these photos. What were the designers thinking?