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Dancrane212

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I'm a little torn, because this seems like a solid enough examination of this.

But ever since screencapping GGers stopped getting them the appreciation they felt they deserved, the person tweeting that thread has been part of a group who likes to raise a fuss about indie devs and journalists they don't like, intentionally causing misunderstandings to slander them. So maybe take their writing and the connections they draw with a liiiittle grain of salt, is all I ask.

Actually, wait, fuck, I forgot the direct connection here till I got to the end and she subtly started whining about a specific Riot employee.

The person tweeting that thread explicitly hates Soha Kareem, Riot's diversity and inclusion lead. She has spread lies about a "whisper campaign" to disingenuously target Soha in the past. Please keep this in mind when you take her words at face value.

EDIT: And to be clear, this is from years ago; it predates Soha working at Riot.












Seeing this thread getting some traction online.

https://twitter.com/SecretGamerGrrl/status/1037905176793960450

Via twitter unroll...

Does everyone remember this article from not to long ago?
https://kotaku.com/inside-the-culture-of-sexism-at-riot-games-1828165483

Because this particular story hits on everything I write about (video game news, rampant sexism, trans rights, fascists campaigning to have good people fired) I have been following the aftermath of this pretty closely. Watching their public reaction, seeing what various employees past and present have had to say, and checking out the horrifying abuse thrown at all parties involved, and collecting a bit of info that hasn't been publicly available. And it is really quite ugly

Publicly, Riot's entire response has been PR damage control. Vague platitudes about supporting their fans, hosting a generic 101 "hey, it's important to encourage women and nonbinary people to get into games!" panel at PAX, so there's something to point to and say "we're allies!"
Internally however, their reaction has been to terrorize whistleblowers and victims. And I do mean terrorize. You may already recall that this official statement on their next course of action involved bringing in an outside law firm-



Riot Games outlines plan for culture change in wake of workplace sexism allegationsCompany promises action steps such as third-party evaluations, anonymous hotline, reevaluation of recruiting practices, and new HR hireshttps://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2018-08-29-riot-games-outlines-plan-for-culture-change-in-wake-of-workplace-sexism



and you may have seen
others discussing how the law firm in question appears to be Seyfarth Shaw, known not for mitigating sexual harassment cases, but for union-busting and similar anti-worker measures:




The Polygon article in the replies there is also worth a read on this.
Needless to say, the result of that has been a big internal push to silence everyone still there speaking out about this, threatening firings, and following through on at least one of those threats. But I said terrorizing.

You may have seen me passing along a few things from a friend over the last few days about how neo-nazis have been terrorizing their parents, forcing them to abandon their home entirely at one point and returning to find it vandalized. In and of itself, that's already a bit more zealous than the usual response when someone's targeted in even the most popular of posts on /r/KotakuInAction/ (which I certainly hope I don't need to stop and explain was set up at the height of Gamergate to serve as a hit list, and still serves that function to this day).

What really makes this incident special though is that this particular thread successfully encouraging violence against someone's entire extended family was started by an employee of Riot games, featuring a collection of screenshots taken from Riot's internal company Slack server, explicitly targeting a particular employee for the "crime" of.. internally raising concerns about how his family has already been targeted by nazis on reddit for some time. The same screenshots also show a fair number of staffers being personally irritated with this, in one instance objecting to the use of the term "sea lion."

Apparently the number of staffers who, lets not mince words, vocally support neo-nazis within the company is great enough that the company has been unable to pin down exactly which of their vocally "SJW"-hating employees has a personal grudge against a fellow staffer strong enough to leak private internal communications staff are not allowed to publicly disclose directly to a neo-nazi message board whose sole purpose is encouraging violence against those mentioned, and the guilty party is still failing to show any remorse as the parents of the target's spouse are being met with nearly unprecedented in-person harassment efforts.

Rather than really crack down and investigate this further, my understanding is that Riot has instead decided to resolve any internal hostility within the company by... firing the employee whose family is under attack at the behest of another staffer. Which would be an incredibly shocking thing for me to learn, if I were not familiar with at least one past incident that was handled in the same way. When said employee's spouse (the one whose parents home has been vandalized) was let go under roughly the same circumstances a number of years ago. Or when I was informed that the particular anti-trans block list that has left a good chunk of us blacklisted within the games industry and press is a Riot employee, in charge of promoting internal diversity no less.

This by the way is a big part of why I'm getting all this out there in the form of a twitter thread, rather than pitching an article to someone (although I'd expect to see plenty of them on the subject shortly as most of this can be confirmed with a quick visit to reddit, and the
rest with anonymous interviews with anyone at, or formally at Riot, many of whom seem understandably keen on exposing what seems to be the most absurdly pro-fascist company this side of Stardock).

Hopefully, justice is eventually served here, but in the meantime, I'd strongly
suggest throwing as much support as you can at anyone currently or formally employed by Riot, and that you uninstall League of Legends yesterday. These people don't deserve a dime of your money.

And if anyone wants to commission a proper article from me here, it gets even worse.
 
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Raide

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Oct 31, 2017
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Just close the place already. Sounds like an awful place to work. I would rather be out of work and job hunting that deal with that kind of abuse on a daily basis.
 

deepFlaw

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I'm a little torn, because this seems like a solid enough examination of this.

But ever since screencapping GGers stopped getting them the appreciation they felt they deserved, the person tweeting that thread has been part of a group who likes to raise a fuss about indie devs and journalists they don't like, intentionally causing misunderstandings to slander them. So maybe take their writing and the connections they draw with a liiiittle grain of salt, is all I ask.
 

Take5GiantSteps

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Oct 27, 2017
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I've said it a million times and I'll say it again: disgusting devs for a disgusting community. Nothing of value would be lost if Riot shut their doors today.
 

marrec

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Oct 26, 2017
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Infuriating read. This kind of sustained abuse of whistleblowers and victims affects more than just their employees, it will lead to other people at other studios keeping their mouths shut, perpetuating the harassment and abuse throughout the industry.
 

Thrill_house

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Oct 27, 2017
10,598
Holy shit riot games. Glad I can't stand Mobas. Won't touch any of their future stuff with a barge pole then. Got a feeling that won't be hard due to my tastes though.

They had people posting emplyee's personal information to pro nazi message boards so they would harass them? Fuck burn it all down.
 

makonero

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Oct 27, 2017
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Wow that's a lot to take in. Riot is even scummier than that Kotaku article led me to believe. Burn it all down.
 

Dreamboum

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Oct 28, 2017
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Fuck, Riot is even worse than I thought. This company can burn to hell, they won't ever have my business ever again and I'll boycott them to the fullest extent.
 

chaobreaker

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That's fucked up. Those harrassed ex-employees need to be reimbursed, the gamergaters need to be fired, and managers overlooking all of this need to step down. You can't come back from these revelations.
 

John Caboose

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I'm not surprised. Culture is most often a deeply rooted thing and not something changed by a press release, public statement or some bad press.
 

deepFlaw

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Actually, wait, fuck, I forgot the direct connection here till I got to the end and she subtly started whining about a specific Riot employee.

The person tweeting that thread explicitly hates Soha Kareem, Riot's diversity and inclusion lead. She has spread lies about a "whisper campaign" to disingenuously target Soha in the past. Please keep this in mind when you take her words at face value.

EDIT: And to be clear, this is from years ago; it predates Soha working at Riot.
 

Khamsinvera

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Oct 31, 2017
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I'm a little torn, because this seems like a solid enough examination of this.

But ever since screencapping GGers stopped getting them the appreciation they felt they deserved, the person tweeting that thread has been part of a group who likes to raise a fuss about indie devs and journalists they don't like, intentionally causing misunderstandings to slander them. So maybe take their writing and the connections they draw with a liiiittle grain of salt, is all I ask.

Agreed - that account's post history does raise a couple of eyebrows.
 

Lunar15

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think there's enough smoke here to warrant some investigation by Polygon or another outlet.
 

Ababol

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Oct 25, 2017
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Sorry, but that doesn't add up. Those leaked screenshots showed one person raising concerns about addressing the community in a hostile manner while the rest supported the offending rioter (the one who said the infamous "sea lion" quote). Other Riot employees have been fired in the past for similar things and if Daniel Z Klein was fired for that, it's completely justified.

How she goes from there to saying "there are so many vocal neonazis that blah, blah" is completely whack.
 
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Sou Da

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Oct 25, 2017
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Actually, wait, fuck, I forgot the direct connection here till I got to the end and she subtly started whining about a specific Riot employee.

The person tweeting that thread explicitly hates Soha Kareem, Riot's diversity and inclusion lead. She has spread lies about a "whisper campaign" to disingenuously target Soha in the past. Please keep this in mind when you take her words at face value.

EDIT: And to be clear, this is from years ago; it predates Soha working at Riot.
Oh really?
 

Meguro

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Oct 27, 2017
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Actually, wait, fuck, I forgot the direct connection here till I got to the end and she subtly started whining about a specific Riot employee.

The person tweeting that thread explicitly hates Soha Kareem, Riot's diversity and inclusion lead. She has spread lies about a "whisper campaign" to disingenuously target Soha in the past. Please keep this in mind when you take her words at face value.

EDIT: And to be clear, this is from years ago; it predates Soha working at Riot.

I knew that twitter name looked familiar to me.
Read this before posting folks.
 

Dreamboum

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Oct 28, 2017
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Actually, wait, fuck, I forgot the direct connection here till I got to the end and she subtly started whining about a specific Riot employee.

The person tweeting that thread explicitly hates Soha Kareem, Riot's diversity and inclusion lead. She has spread lies about a "whisper campaign" to disingenuously target Soha in the past. Please keep this in mind when you take her words at face value.

EDIT: And to be clear, this is from years ago; it predates Soha working at Riot.

Do you have links ?
 

Cess007

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Actually, wait, fuck, I forgot the direct connection here till I got to the end and she subtly started whining about a specific Riot employee.

The person tweeting that thread explicitly hates Soha Kareem, Riot's diversity and inclusion lead. She has spread lies about a "whisper campaign" to disingenuously target Soha in the past. Please keep this in mind when you take her words at face value.

EDIT: And to be clear, this is from years ago; it predates Soha working at Riot.

I think this should be on the OP if true
 

mael

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Nov 3, 2017
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Agreed - that account's post history does raise a couple of eyebrows.
Stop being vague about it, it's actually worse than if you outright stated what was the issue.
Because if it's something to do with Kingdom come : deliverance or another neonazi supporting dev being "slandered"...
 

Pancracio17

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Oct 29, 2017
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I was under the impression that the working conditions there were good... Jesus fucking christ.

Edit: wait now the person tweeting this is fishy too? Whats the truth here?
 

Weltall Zero

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Oct 26, 2017
19,343
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And people called me cynical for not believing their PAX panel was earnest, as if the timing didn't make it plain as day that it was a PR move.
 

Servbot24

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Oct 25, 2017
43,052
Gamers in being nazi trash shocker.

Edit: Holds true though maybe not in this case? Will wait to see.
 

Delusibeta

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Oct 26, 2017
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Actually, wait, fuck, I forgot the direct connection here till I got to the end and she subtly started whining about a specific Riot employee.

The person tweeting that thread explicitly hates Soha Kareem, Riot's diversity and inclusion lead. She has spread lies about a "whisper campaign" to disingenuously target Soha in the past. Please keep this in mind when you take her words at face value.

EDIT: And to be clear, this is from years ago; it predates Soha working at Riot.
To play devil's advocate here, the "blacklist" mentioned is almost certainly ggautoblocker, which is widely believed to contain several transgender women added well after the fact, and is a more-or-less entirely why Wil Wheaton has a reputation for being transphobic: he heavily promoted ggautoblocker. I wouldn't be too surprised if the beef with Soha is similar.
 

deepFlaw

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Yup. It's a long story that I'd have to dig up stuff from years ago, largely on Twitter, to explain further.

tl;dr there are people that were not happy that actual GG targets were no longer super thankful about their entire online presence being We Screenshot GG, they went after anyone involved with "altgames", raised some stink about a "whisper campaign" when it was really just some people casually not liking each other a ton and being fine with that, and then people stopped acknowledging them all together

It's like some... weirdly parallel vaguely left-ish games Twitter now that very few left people actually involved in dev/journalism interact with, and only show up when they want to cause another problems.

EDIT: I will try to dig up things from the time; I don't want to post vague things and leave. Just dealing with a work thing right now.
 

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Considering the account's history mentioned in this thread, I'd rather wait for other more credible sources on this.

Will close this for now.
 
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