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Descendant

Member
Nov 2, 2017
1,111
Hopefully it can get even closer to the 10 million goal by next year with the inevitable Complete edition or whatever they want to call it.
 
Oct 30, 2017
9,215
I'm so happy for my favorite franchise sake... hope XVI doesn't suffer from any development drama and just release fine.
 

Menx64

Member
Oct 30, 2017
5,774
8 millions is a lot, but considering the pedigree of FF and the huge install bases (PC, XBOX and PC), it it weird to me that MHW sold more copies than a main line FF.
Get Nomura to make another TWEWY or KH, but pls keep him away from FF.
 

THE GUY

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
4,223
Not comparable because it's multiplatform. I'd be impressed if the PS4 version matched series highs though.
This point makes no sense.

PS1 and PS2 were far more dominant than their competitors. FF wasn't losing out on major sales during those generations. And the explosion in sales began with 7 in the first place, which was also available on PC after release. The FFs prior to that are irrelevant in the conversation of best selling entries in the franchise. When there was actually threat of the series not maximizing its potential sales, it went multi-platform (PS3/360).
 

Diego Renault

Member
Nov 1, 2017
1,339
You know FFVII was the most expensive game ever at its time and is still in the all-time Top 10 when considering inflation, right? FF since then always has been AAA and trying to be cutting edge. It's in the series' DNA for over 20 years now.

What even is your proposal?

Final Fantasy VII was one of the most expensive games at the time because the marketing was at least as expensive as the game itself (which was about 40 million) or even double than that.

I'm not saying they should cut back on the cost. They should stop spending most of their budget on the graphics and/or open world. Spend that rather on artstyle, story, gameplay and characters.


I'm sorry but it seems to me like that's exactly what you're implying. You want them to ship these games faster and there's simply no way to do that these days without sacrifices.

They should not stop being ambitous. Being abitious is not equal to producing the best graphics or producing something that is open world, because that is what you are implying. You can be ambitious by - like I said - re-shifting your focus on other things: story, presentation, characters, gameplay, lenght, replayablitly and what not.

My proposal for the Final Fantasy series is therefore: going back to their roots. Now your argument might be, that no one wants to play a Final Fantasy game in the style of Final Fantasy VII, VIII, IX or X on "modern home consoles".

First of all, I think that's bullshit. Second of all, if that were a legitimate concern, then why not change platforms entirely? Dragon Quest 9 was a handheld game that sold 5.3 million copies (maybe even more), despite the Dragon Quest franchise being way less popular in the west than Final Fantasy.

Imagine in another reality, Final Fantasy XV was released only on Handhelds. Let's say, 3DS and VITA. The budget to develop would have been lower than the 10 year dev cicle of a console Final Fantasy XV. No pressure to spend everything on graphics. They could've gone all the way out and produced a very well looking game, relative to the hardware, still, and still sold millions of copies in a shorter amount of time and so on.

So all in all, I think the move to inject western industry trends in the mainline Final Fantasy series was a mistake.
 

Water

The Retro Archivist
Member
Oct 30, 2017
813
Basing it from here: http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Best_selling_Square-Enix_games

1. Final Fantasy VII (13,108,000)
2. Final Fantasy XIV (10,903,000)
3. Final Fantasy X (10,571,400)
4. Final Fantasy VI (10,177,600)
5. Final Fantasy VIII (8,870,000)
6. Final Fantasy XV (8,100,000)
7. Final Fantasy XIII (7,700,000)
8. Final Fantasy XII (7,200,000)
9. Final Fantasy X-2 (5,876,000)
10. Final Fantasy IX (5,731,000)
11. Final Fantasy IV (5,389,000)
12. Final Fantasy I (4,903,000)
13. Final Fantasy III (4,368,300)
14. Final Fantasy V (3,966,500)
15. Final Fantasy XIII-2 (3,600,000)

Where did XIII-3 end up? It's not on the list.
 

APZonerunner

Features Editor at VG247.com
Verified
Oct 28, 2017
1,726
England
8 millions is a lot, but considering the pedigree of FF and the huge install bases (PC, XBOX and PC), it it weird to me that MHW sold more copies than a main line FF.
Get Nomura to make another TWEWY or KH, but pls keep him away from FF.

This is still good enough to place it as the second-best FF ever released numbers-wise, keep in mind. The flip side of that is this: the gaming audience has in general grown and expanded since the days of FF7, the series' best-selling entry. Franchises that are as comparatively big now as FF7 was in the 90s sell a fair amount more than FF7 did at the time, so the phenomenon is that FF isn't growing its audience as games as a medium grow; it's more maintaining. That'll be SE's next goal - to see growth beyond FF7 numbers, not just clawing back the losses since then. That'll be the goal for 16. 15 has done a lot to reverse the fortunes - consider that it's almost sold as much now as the entire FF13 trilogy. But FF isn't really seeing growth beyond where the series has been historically, whereas MHW was new and exciting to a whole new audience, a complete unknown. Of course it jumped so dramatically.
 

pezzie

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,440
FFXV is the fastest selling and one of the most successful titles in the franchise, now see this list on why they're doing bad and should change course...
 

Dale Copper

Member
Apr 12, 2018
22,035
8 millions is a lot, but considering the pedigree of FF and the huge install bases (PC, XBOX and PC), it it weird to me that MHW sold more copies than a main line FF.
Get Nomura to make another TWEWY or KH, but pls keep him away from FF.
Monster Hunter i think blew up being a multiplayer focus titled on a system people actually play multiplayer oriented games on.
 

Lethologica

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,178
Good job, SE. FFXV is awesome, and the only FF I have taken the time to go through more than a couple times. I am looking forward to going through it again when season 2 of the DLC is done.

As a side note, I really enjoyed what they did to expand the content inside Insomnia.
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,297
This is still good enough to place it as the second-best FF ever released numbers-wise, keep in mind. The flip side of that is this: the gaming audience has in general grown and expanded since the days of FF7, the series' best-selling entry. Franchises that are as comparatively big now as FF7 was in the 90s sell a fair amount more than FF7 did at the time, so the phenomenon is that FF isn't growing its audience as games as a medium grow; it's more maintaining. That'll be SE's next goal - to see growth beyond FF7 numbers, not just clawing back the losses since then. That'll be the goal for 16. 15 has done a lot to reverse the fortunes - consider that it's almost sold as much now as the entire FF13 trilogy. But FF isn't really seeing growth beyond where the series has been historically, whereas MHW was new and exciting to a whole new audience, a complete unknown. Of course it jumped so dramatically.
Agreed. There is growth over XIII but that certainly doesn't mean Square should or will settle. Their goal has to be finding a way to maintain their fan base while also working to bring in new players. Monster Hunter World of course has strong multiplayer elements. You do have to wonder whether Comrades DLC from FFXV might be a hint at least that Square might expand the series by including multiplayer content in future entries even if it isn't necessarily the 'meat' for the original fan base. In fact, much of the stuff added to XV (events, hunts, Multiplayer) does feel like Square really wanted a KPI (whether that be number of hours played, player drop off, number of hunts completed, sales of Comrades etc.)for how each of these elements were engaged with by players and whether they make sense going forward.
 
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THE GUY

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
4,223
Where did XIII-3 end up? It's not on the list.
That list is mostly wrong anyway.

VI is about half that amount listed in sales as far as released numbers go. VII was over 11 million. The 13 million is made up. FFXIV number has its own issues because it's not based on purchases and will likely be far less than that. And so on.
 
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Apr 16, 2018
1,760
Every Final Fantasy thread, posters come from the wordworks to demonstrate to the rest of us how they have no clue what the fuck they're talking about.
 

Ishiro

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
2,066
Lebanon
They should not stop being ambitous. Being abitious is not equal to producing the best graphics or producing something that is open world, because that is what you are implying. You can be ambitious by - like I said - re-shifting your focus on other things: story, presentation, characters, gameplay, lenght, replayablitly and what not.

Imagine in another reality, Final Fantasy XV was released only on Handhelds. Let's say, 3DS and VITA. The budget to develop would have been lower than the 10 year dev cicle of a console Final Fantasy XV. No pressure to spend everything on graphics. They could've gone all the way out and produced a very well looking game, relative to the hardware, still, and still sold millions of copies in a shorter amount of time and so on.

So all in all, I think the move to inject western industry trends in the mainline Final Fantasy series was a mistake.
Let me get this straight. You're suggesting spending less on graphics and putting a mainline entry on a handheld console... and yet you're insisting that this is not lacking ambition?
You seem to be implying that XV is lacking in the departments you mentioned because of its open world and graphics tech while there's absolutely no correlation between the two. XV's shortcomings had nothing to do with the lack of budget, the only thing XV needed was more time in the oven. It barely had 3 years of full development time.

And what's wrong with borrowing ideas from western games? You see this as a mistake because it doesn't cater to your own tastes but by all accounts sales, critical and fan reception were all more than positive and millions of people have been enjoying the game and will keep doing so with the heavily requested season 2 DLC.
The west and Japan have been borrowing off of each other for years now and I hope it stays that way. Gaming can only benefit from this.
My proposal for the Final Fantasy series is therefore: going back to their roots. Now your argument might be, that no one wants to play a Final Fantasy game in the style of Final Fantasy VII, VIII, IX or X on "modern home consoles".

First of all, I think that's bullshit. Second of all, if that were a legitimate concern, then why not change platforms entirely? Dragon Quest 9 was a handheld game that sold 5.3 million copies (maybe even more), despite the Dragon Quest franchise being way less popular in the west than Final Fantasy.
Stop. I never said that. Never implied that. You're putting words in my mouth and arguing against yourself here.
 
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Mansa Musa

Alt-Account
Member
Sep 4, 2018
69
Not the best of the franchise but far from the worse. When you factor in the troubled development, this is a really great redemption story. It also signaled a focus to protect the brand of FF and Square-Enix. Since FFXV their major releases have been pretty good. Octopath is doing numbers, FFXV was a critical and commercial success. Kingdom Hearts 3 finally has a release date attached and looks amazing.

This E3 all eyes will be on

Final Fantasy VII Remake........Launch Title for the PS5.

Dragon Quest XI
 

Ant_17

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,910
Greece
Basing it from here: http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Best_selling_Square-Enix_games

1. Final Fantasy VII (13,108,000)
2. Final Fantasy XIV (10,903,000)
3. Final Fantasy X (10,571,400)
4. Final Fantasy VI (10,177,600)
5. Final Fantasy VIII (8,870,000)
6. Final Fantasy XV (8,100,000)
7. Final Fantasy XIII (7,700,000)
8. Final Fantasy XII (7,200,000)
9. Final Fantasy X-2 (5,876,000)
10. Final Fantasy IX (5,731,000)
11. Final Fantasy IV (5,389,000)
12. Final Fantasy I (4,903,000)
13. Final Fantasy III (4,368,300)
14. Final Fantasy V (3,966,500)
15. Final Fantasy XIII-2 (3,600,000)
I'm kind of glad it did better than 13.
 

Descendant

Member
Nov 2, 2017
1,111
Tell me that it's because FF9 sold like twice the number that appears there. Please tell me that.

Unfortunately FFIX's sales are pretty accurate from what I remember. I did research from Squaresoft's financials a while ago, I know FFVII was 10+million, FFVIII was 8+ million, and FFX was around 8+ million sales also.

FFXI in terms of revenue made the most from any FF, and while FFXIII sold really well at first, the first sequel sold about half, and XIII-3 even less than that. Note I did this research about 2-3 years ago, but a lot of the old data should still be accurate.

So based on this FFXV is around FFX's and FF8's sales, however FFXV is available to more platforms.
 

KrAzY

Member
Sep 2, 2018
1,922
Good to hear, had an awesome time with PC version, can't wait for the next stories to release next year.
 

Terraforce

One Winged Slayer
The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
18,917
8 millions is a lot, but considering the pedigree of FF and the huge install bases (PC, XBOX and PC), it it weird to me that MHW sold more copies than a main line FF.
Get Nomura to make another TWEWY or KH, but pls keep him away from FF.
Nah FFXV simply couldn't get MHW numbers even if it weren't by Nomura/Tabata. You're forgetting that one is a multiplayer focused game while the other is a single player JRPG. Pretty big difference in genre alone. Then account for the fact that Japan is rabbid over Monster Hunter and you have your answer as to why it performed better. Not many series hold a candle to MH in Japan, not even FF.
 

MysticGon

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 31, 2017
7,285
Well done. Imagine if this launched as Versus XIII and end up outselling it.
 

jblanco

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,489
And I haven't bought my Windows Edition nor my Royal Edition yet!

(waiting for the super ultimate edition that includes the new upcoming DLC chapters as well)
 

PshycoNinja

Game Developer
Verified
Oct 25, 2017
3,224
Los Angeles
And I haven't bought my Windows Edition nor my Royal Edition yet!

(waiting for the super ultimate edition that includes the new upcoming DLC chapters as well)

The new DLC, thankfully, will pretty much come out back-to-back according to the content roadmap starting in late Winter 2019 with the last releasing mid Spring 2019.

ffxv-2019-story-dlc-1.jpg
 

FrontierGamer

Banned
Jan 31, 2018
1,010
Excellent result :)

Deserves to sell even over 10 million copies. As well as being one of the best Final Fantasy, it is also one of the wonderful masterpieces of this generation.
(which made me thrill like, and even more, of the Final Fantasy of the PS1 era [FF VII,VIII,IX])

And I wish Tabata, and her team, a wonderful future.

Final Fantasy XV is a real, and a very great and beautiful, Final Fantasy.
 

Cpt-GargameL

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
7,024
I feel like it'll end around 12m. I have a feeling it'll be released for next gen as a "remaster"

Lots of feels.
 

Mediking

Final Fantasy Best Boy (Grip)
Member
Excellent result :)

Deserves to sell even over 10 million copies. As well as being one of the best Final Fantasy, it is also one of the wonderful masterpieces of this generation.
(which made me thrill like, and even more, of the Final Fantasy of the PS1 era [FF VII,VIII,IX])

And I wish Tabata, and her team, a wonderful future.

Final Fantasy XV is a real, and a very great and beautiful, Final Fantasy.

Hey, I better hear the same love when I release Final Fantasy XVI in a few years.
 

Koozek

Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,913
Tabata hoped for 2M on PC alone... lol. That's not happening.
In February this year before the PC version came out it was at 7.1M, now at 8.1M. In July FFXV on Steam was at 489,872 and since then it surely has added a few hundreds of thousands. I think the Royal Edition is a smaller piece of that million, so the PC version should easily pass at least a million in the next months with upcoming Black Friday/Halloween/Holiday/Winter sales. Then the more sophisticated official mod tools are coming in Fall too which include a level editor etc., which could possibly give it a push and longer legs if it catches on in the modding scene. So yeah, it might take another 1-2 years, but I think 2M could be possible.

Probably around 600.000 copies.
Do we know how many copies of FFXV that they managed to sell on PC?
See above, it was around 500K on Steam two months ago. Probably added a few Ks since.
 

Kuro

Member
Oct 25, 2017
20,663
Just goes to show people will continue to buy unfinished games. I just hope they use this sales success to make a finished and actually good mainline FF game for the first time in a long while.