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GoldenEye 007

Roll Tide, Y'all!
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
13,833
Texas
See all the questions being asked in this thread? That's why they HAVE to do a complete investigation. They don't just come out and say, "Welp, that doesn't make any sense, lock her up". Administrative leave is so bias isn't put into the investigation before it is complete. It's used as an administrative procedure as to not predispose someone as guilty of a crime, therefore tainting whatever comes from the investigation after that.

Now, on to the event. I'm with everyone else. How the heck do you walk in an apartment and not realize it isn't yours?? It'll be interesting what info is pass along after they've finished the investigation. I can't think of a plausible reason she isn't charged and pleads guilty to involuntary manslaughter.
Do regular citizens get that afforded to them when they kill someone? If I walked into a cop's apartment thinking it was mine and shot them dead, would I get the benefit of the doubt and the ability to go home until the cops "figure it out?" While they start painting a positive narrative for me that I was in a full suit and tie after work in the press release?
 

Ferrs

Avenger
Oct 26, 2017
18,829
This is murder. You're either fooling yourself or are just brainwashed with the Murica fetish about killing innocent civilians if you don't see it.
 
Oct 31, 2017
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How did she get in?

I'm guessing before she tried her key she "heard noises" and kicked the door down before opening fire.

Also how do you make the mistake of going to someone else's apartment.

Poor family, this shit just makes me angry.

The only way this justification can even work is if the guy's door was unlocked and she walked in. But if that's the case, how did she also not immediately recognize that it wasn't her apartment? Surely they have different setups. And if it was something like she saw him in there, why was her immediate first response just to shoot him dead? Just because she was so certain that she was in her own apartment?

Like, the ONLY way I can imagine this rationale/justification being 'true', is if it were something like: she opened unlocked door, stepped immediately into the apartment into a nondescript opening area that looks the same for virtually all of the apartments, saw the victim and immediately thought "Shoot him now".

Still though, it begs so many questions.
 
Oct 27, 2017
434
Not sure if this has been posted but the officer is actually in custody while they determine the appropriate charge.
 
Oct 26, 2017
735
New York
R.I.P. Botham Shem Jean.

We can't even be safe in our own fucking homes.

No matter how you cut it, this cop is only in the wrong. Either she was drunk or dumb enough to try to get into her apartment without checking the door number or questioning why her key didn't work, then shot first without thinking. Or something much shadier went down on her part. Either way, she's in no way fit to be a police officer. She needs to be put in jail.

But we all know how this is gonna go down.
 
Oct 25, 2017
5,846
This is utterly insane.

There's absolutely no way she walked into the wrong apartment, didn't see the surroundings, thought someone broke in and shot them. Unless she was high as hell or drunk as hell. Both of which are unlikely.

Maybe she didn't like that he was living in her apartment complex and it was premeditated.

How does it make any sense this was premeditated? Whose plan for getting away with murder involves saying "whoops I entered the wrong apartment" versus "he tried to assault me" or staging it as a botched robbery or similar?
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,761
See all the questions being asked in this thread? That's why they HAVE to do a complete investigation. They don't just come out and say, "Welp, that doesn't make any sense, lock her up". Administrative leave is so bias isn't put into the investigation before it is complete. It's used as an administrative procedure as to not predispose someone as guilty of a crime, therefore tainting whatever comes from the investigation after that.

Now, on to the event. I'm with everyone else. How the heck do you walk in an apartment and not realize it isn't yours?? It'll be interesting what info is pass along after they've finished the investigation. I can't think of a plausible reason she isn't charged and pleads guilty to involuntary manslaughter.

They haven't even interviewed her. They basically give cops time to come up with a story. She wasn't on duty. This was a civilian murder and should be treated as such.
 

Son Lamar

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
3,238
Alabama
This is a first that the intruder shot and killed a person yes in the case of mistaken appartment/house right? None of the cases you cited show that being the case and I dont believe her anyway how could you not immediately see the house looks different from yours unless drunk or drugs sounds all fishy
 

Thurston Last

Banned
Jul 26, 2018
1,350
I'm having a discussion with someone else about the legal implications of this and how she might be charged, and he comes out slinging insults in all caps saying I'm defending the cop and implying I'm racist. I think my response was rather tame. He's the one who needs to "not do this."

Sorry using logic or reason is not allowed in these threads. Only foaming at the mouth rage. Please refrain from using this calm demeanor in the future.
 
Oct 26, 2017
5,114
Even if being drunk or fucked up on drugs was an excuse, which it isn't in any other crime, why was she in uniform with a service weapon??
 

The Adder

Member
Oct 25, 2017
18,087
So you come in, start insulting me, and now you're mad at me because I wasn't polite? You need to take a break, seriously.
Fuck you

Fuck you for making excuses for this murderer

Fuck you for telling a black man to calm down about this country's continued propensity for letting cops literally get away with murder as long as the victim isn't white.

And fuck you for making it about your feelings when you're called out for it. Because a man is dead but god forbid anyone points out your perpetuation of this bullshit. That would be an insult.
 
Oct 31, 2017
9,621
Moreover, she had to drive to her apartment if this is Dallas. She would have a DUI if that was the case too.

Yes exactly. How are you so drunk/high that you are unable to quickly and appropriately assess that you are in the wrong apartment, but not so drunk/high that you were able to wind up there in the first place, find your way in, see an 'intruder', grab your firearm then shoot and kill the person.
 
Nov 17, 2017
12,864
Also, I hate when people use 'maybe they were really high/drunk' as an excuse and rationale for terrible behavior. Like, I'd have to be so incredibly fucked up that I wouldn't be able to walk to be in such a state that I was unable to correctly assess my own home, let alone being able to point and shoot a gun.
Seriously. I've been drunk off my ass and I've never hurt or killed anyone by accident.
 

Panther2103

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,910
How does it make any sense this was premeditated? Whose plan for getting away with murder involves saying "whoops I entered the wrong apartment" versus "he tried to assault me" or staging it as a botched robbery or similar?

It makes more sense than "OOPS I ENTERED THE WRONG APARTMENT DIDNT NOTICE ANYTHING WAS DIFFERENT AND KILLED SOMEONE".

Nothing in this story makes any sense, I just want more information about it to come out.
 

Militaratus

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
1,212
"Hello station? I shot the guy that broke in and redecorated my entire appartment. Yeah he was yelling something about his house as he was approaching me so I gunned him down. I just had expensive carpet laid just yesterday, I wonder what happened to my pets."

Lock her up, there is no excuse and no justification for what she has done. This was straight up murder.
 

Kyougar

Cute Animal Whisperer
Member
Nov 3, 2017
9,354
Just unbelievable. Why isn't she in custody.

The trust in cops is already at a low level.
 

I Don't Like

Member
Dec 11, 2017
14,896
Worst part is the mother now waiting to find out how easily this fucking IDIOT will get off.

How fucking STUPID do you have to be to do something like this?
 

Lukar

Unshakable Resolve - Prophet of Truth
Member
Oct 27, 2017
23,351
The officer responsible needs to lose their job and get thrown in jail.
 

Thurston Last

Banned
Jul 26, 2018
1,350
This is a first that the intruder shot and killed a person yes in the case of mistaken appartment/house right?

Yeah, this is the first case I've heard of where the *possibly drunk* intruder was the one with a gun and shot the resident. In the other cases the drunk intruder was shot by the resident.

There have been plenty of cases where Cops raid the wrong home and shoot innocent people, but the reason isn't intoxication. Rather some form of incompetence resulting in them using the wrong address.

The reason I posted those was to show that a drunk person entering the wrong apartment does happen fairly often. So it isn't so crazy to believe that could happen here (if it turns out she was drunk).
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Fuck you

Fuck you for making excuses for this murderer

Fuck you for telling a black man to calm down about this country's continued propensity for letting cops literally get away with murder as long as the victim isn't white.

And fuck you for making it about your feelings when you're called out for it. Because a man is dead but god forbid anyone points out your perpetuation of this bullshit. That would be an insult.

I didn't do any of that. Like I said, you should calm down and reassess things. I get that you're angry at this. That's okay - me too. But that doesn't make it right for you to go around attacking people, especially when calmly reading what I'm saying will show you that I'm not even doing what you're accusing me of.

I was having a discussion with someone about the legal implications of the evidence we knew at the time and how that might affect how she is legally charged. What I was not doing was making an ethical determination of whether her actions were right or wrong or what punishment she deserved based on that. There's a big difference. If you calm down, I'm sure you can see it.
 

Ogami Itto

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,612
Let me guess, he decided to break up with her because she was a fucking mental case and she killed him for that. RIP to the victim.
 

F34R

Member
Oct 27, 2017
11,989
Fuck this shit. If I shot someone in their own home my ass would be sitting in a cell while that investigation was carried out and you fucking know it.

If she were a civilian, they'd have probable cause to arrest her for at least manslaughter, though.

I don't believe it, anyone else would be locked up while they investigate. If I went into a neighbors home, shoot them, said "oops my bad!" I would be arrested, I wouldn't be told "what a rough mistake, go home while we look into how to not charge you with anything"
That's a lot of "if's" so... think of it how you will. When they have enough information, they'll do what they need to do.
But isn't this an off-duty officer? Why on paid leave? It's not like other cases when the officer in question was actively policing.

I understand she was in uniform but it was after hours. Was she also arrested? There are so little details even in the article.
Wouldn't matter if the officer was completely off duty, not in uniform. That's just how a job works. I was accused of threatening a lady because she said I was asking for her phone number and she didn't want to give it. smh I was put on admin leave until they finished with that. It took two weeks. I was 100% cleared and the lady said she was mad about a speeding ticket she got earlier. I guess they could have fired me, and rehired me.

Once they have enough info to have a good understanding and timeline of what happened, that officer will be dealt with accordingly. Unless it's swept under the rung of course. With the info so far, I don't see any wrong doing from an investigation point of view. What we have so far, I think involuntary manslaughter would be correct. Maybe charge up and get her to deal down for a guilty plea.
 

Boiled Goose

Banned
Nov 2, 2017
9,999
Cop should be IMMEDIATELY arrested.
The killing is undeniable.

Guns don't keep people safe. They lead to irreversible death
 
Oct 25, 2017
6,710
But isn't this an off-duty officer? Why on paid leave? It's not like other cases when the officer in question was actively policing.

I understand she was in uniform but it was after hours. Was she also arrested? There are so little details even in the article.

Off duty officers in uniform may be considered on duty if there is reasonable suspicion that a crime has been committed. If an off duty officer observes a crime, then they are considered on duty as a matter of law. A peace officer has a duty to arrest offenders that they witness even if they are off duty. Which the defense will likely try to say applies here despite it sounding insane based on the aforementioned facts.

Hence why this is being treated differently than a citizen shooting and a full investigation prior to charging. I would expect that after getting statements and scene pics she will be charged, it's just a slower more methodical process to get things nailed down properly.

This is Texas law by the way, I'm sure other jurisdictions vary a bit.
 

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User requested account closure
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Nov 24, 2017
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I'm not really sure how much investigation is needed here as it's seems like a pretty straight forward case. She should already be in custody and not on administrative leave.
 

Dream Machine

Member
Oct 25, 2017
13,085
I'm sure her paid leave will teach her a valuable lesson.

God, fuck everything. This is so disgusting and will likely go unpunished. What do all the "stand your ground" people have to say about this story I wonder? I feel like a few key elements will make their answer insane.
 

Bio

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
3,370
Denver, Colorado
I'm having a discussion with someone else about the legal implications of this and how she might be charged, and he comes out slinging insults in all caps saying I'm defending the cop and implying I'm racist. I think my response was rather tame. He's the one who needs to "not do this."

It might not be a bad idea for you to go back and re-read some of your posts and ask yourself if you may be sending the wrong message.
 

mentallyinept

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,403
How the fuck can you place an officer on "administrative leave" when they killed someone outside the line of duty?

At the very least, you should be arrested on manslaughter charges.
 

F34R

Member
Oct 27, 2017
11,989
They can't put her in jail while they investigate? She just invaded an innocent man's home and murdered him and she's been rewarded with a paid vacation.

Let's be honest, their "investigation" is just them stalling to come up with a story that will cover their asses. We don't even know who this officer is but I bet one of the first things we learn is something unfavorable about the victim.
They are getting as much information as possible to make sure they charge appropriately. That's my take on it, unless there's something that shows otherwise.
Do regular citizens get that afforded to them when they kill someone? If I walked into a cop's apartment thinking it was mine and shot them dead, would I get the benefit of the doubt and the ability to go home until the cops "figure it out?" While they start painting a positive narrative for me that I was in a full suit and tie after work in the press release?
Yes. 2000, worked a man shot in the head case. Guy was leaving the property, in a car, homeowner shot and killed this guy while he was driving away. Talked with right after incident, not arrested for three days, ended up being found not guilty.
They haven't even interviewed her. They basically give cops time to come up with a story. She wasn't on duty. This was a civilian murder and should be treated as such.
They need to question all the other tenants there to get as much info before going in and asking her questions they don't have a clue about. It's better to know more about what you're asking than the person you're questioning does.



Math ain't mathing. This is sketchy as fuck

This right here... there's more to it than what is in the article in the OP. The investigation needs to do the proper job and get it right.