But unless given good rehabilitation program in and post prsion it really impossible to know who can't.
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Fox pulls scene from 'The Predator' after director casts his pedophile friend in minor role
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Eh, this really isn't a discussion about rehabilitating convicts, but honestly? Finding steady work, housing, having the ability to vote. These are real things that matter that people should have a right to even after serving a sentence. Getting a cameo in a tent pole movie? Nah.
Anyway, it's less that Black did it and more that he didn't tell anyone. Munn is absolutely right in her statement.
She's hot and successful. They're mad. The End.
As many others have said already, good on Munn for what she did here. It's nice to hear someone take a stand like that, especially knowing it might lead to additional amounts of vitriol from the basement dwellers on the internet
And to the select few who are questioning why she had a right to know, I very much question your intent. I agree that people can be rehabilitated but if you're casting a personal friend of yours in a movie for a single scene where he hits on your female lead, you absolutely owe it to at least that actress to let her know that she is being hit on by a man who tried to have sex with a child.
It is absolutely indefensible that Black did not tell Munn about this.
And to the select few who are questioning why she had a right to know, I very much question your intent. I agree that people can be rehabilitated but if you're casting a personal friend of yours in a movie for a single scene where he hits on your female lead, you absolutely owe it to at least that actress to let her know that she is being hit on by a man who tried to have sex with a child.
It is absolutely indefensible that Black did not tell Munn about this.
Problematic... The question is if the person in question is somehow reformed or not. If possible for that sort of crime. I dunno.
But employers having limitations on background checks is a good thing. ...
Corporations don't need more power.
But employers having limitations on background checks is a good thing. ...
Corporations don't need more power.
I was hoping they would reshoot his scenes with Christopher Plumber
Damnit
ALL DEFENDERS PLEASE REMEMBER
The victim here was, as the offender articulated himself, a very vulnerable, confused child who he took advantage of and attempted to groom. That kind of psychological manipulation can lead to all sorts of issues in the future, possibly even PTSD or other forms of life-long mental conditions that could mean the victim is in a life-sentence of their own.
So before pulling that cape across your shoulders and flying in the face of Era social justice, consider the actual context here and don't just call for the man who could easily have destroyed a child's life chasing his immoral desires.
I see nothing wrong with him finding work in the industry still as long as he full discloses his past and doesn't work with minors directly.
Black was an idiot to try to sneak him in though, he probably did it because the #metoo spotlight could have swung around and prevented his friend from working on the movie. This is especially likely as he didn't inform his crew either.
If he had legti wanted to help a friend who he thinks has been rehabilitated, then he should have been 100% upfront and, if denied by the studio, or if any of his crew or cast raised concerns, he should have dropped the guy friend or not.
It certainly doesn't look like he's starving... although if he hadn't been declaring his history maybe now he's out of the industry and will have to find a different field of work, and I would have no problem with that. It would be a part of the punishment he deserves for what he did and what he tried to do.
I have already answered this comment in my previous ones: rehab doesn't always work and sometimes people absolutely cease to deserve it.
So we can go in circles about how sometimes it can be a tricky situation if you want, but the above point remains true.
The victim here was, as the offender articulated himself, a very vulnerable, confused child who he took advantage of and attempted to groom. That kind of psychological manipulation can lead to all sorts of issues in the future, possibly even PTSD or other forms of life-long mental conditions that could mean the victim is in a life-sentence of their own.
So before pulling that cape across your shoulders and flying in the face of Era social justice, consider the actual context here and don't just call for the man who could easily have destroyed a child's life chasing his immoral desires.
I see nothing wrong with him finding work in the industry still as long as he full discloses his past and doesn't work with minors directly.
Black was an idiot to try to sneak him in though, he probably did it because the #metoo spotlight could have swung around and prevented his friend from working on the movie. This is especially likely as he didn't inform his crew either.
If he had legti wanted to help a friend who he thinks has been rehabilitated, then he should have been 100% upfront and, if denied by the studio, or if any of his crew or cast raised concerns, he should have dropped the guy friend or not.
It certainly doesn't look like he's starving... although if he hadn't been declaring his history maybe now he's out of the industry and will have to find a different field of work, and I would have no problem with that. It would be a part of the punishment he deserves for what he did and what he tried to do.
I have already answered this comment in my previous ones: rehab doesn't always work and sometimes people absolutely cease to deserve it.
So we can go in circles about how sometimes it can be a tricky situation if you want, but the above point remains true.
Yup, it's one thing that irritates me whenever this topic comes up. Pedophilia is really not well-understood, and I'd honestly expect this forum to be a little ahead of the pack on this. And people who go, "They're pure evil if they can't control their urges" don't seem to realize that people who have those thoughts and have yet to act on them are made to feel like they have no one to turn to for help. People with mental disorders can't just treat themselves, but these people are somehow expected to.
This is a big deal:
What legal limitations? Why can't studios run background checks on actors? That's just weird
What legal limitations? Why can't studios run background checks on actors? That's just weird
I see what you're saying, but you might actually be surpised how easy it is not to rape children.
Also from the article:
I don't know. What he did is gross and terrible, but I also feel that everyone deserves a shot at being rehabilitated, particularly non violent offenders. Regardless it doesn't seem like he is hurting for work based on the rest of the article, so I'm not sure why Black thought it was necessary to bring him on set as an actor, and without telling anyone why he was doing it.
I don't know. What he did is gross and terrible, but I also feel that everyone deserves a shot at being rehabilitated, particularly non violent offenders. Regardless it doesn't seem like he is hurting for work based on the rest of the article, so I'm not sure why Black thought it was necessary to bring him on set as an actor, and without telling anyone why he was doing it.
This is not the time nor the place for this kind of comment. Keep your issues with Munn's acting out of this.
This is exactly how every dude caught on To Catch a Predator talked. Just textbook.
And being a victim of abuse doesn't make you any less shitty of a person for abusing other people!
This is not the conversation for this thread. This is a very clear cut case of the person abusing a position of care/authority to try to fuck a child, AND attempting to spin it into some noble deed he was doing to help this vulnerable child.
Those who suffer from Paedophilia and never act on their urges must live lives of incredible burden and pain. Just knowing that if they spoke to people about their condition they could be ostracised, discriminated against, or even be attacked or harassed - and this is even before we get into the fact that mental illness as a hole is stigmatized.
So while I agree with you that this conversation is one that needs to be had, that it should be made infinitely more easier for non-offended paedophiles to come forward to get the help they need without the demonization, I think this conversation isn't suited for this specific instance.
The problem here is we have an offender who attempted to swing his abuse as a noble dead, a director with some pull attempting to spin his previous offense and hide it, AND casting the dude in a role that involves his character harassing a women who is an abuse survivor.
If you want that conversation, make that thread imo.
Can we take away your Era account as well?
These kinds of low effort, shitty drive-by digs are not what makes a forum a good place.
It'd probably be for the best. This situation is a lot more cut and dry than it seems and just serves to frame the broader discussion in a poor light.
Speaking of being framed in a poor light...
Wait... is this motherfucker SERIOUS? HollyFUCKINGwood... Yuck. Now I can't trust Shane Black. Disney should just pull the fucking movie
It's grossly irresponsible and callous to suggest we need to afford more empathy to pedophiles (and within the context of this thread, convicted abusers) knowing that there may be dozens of not hundreds of child abuse victims (who as adults know it's wrong to abuse children or anybody) browsing this site and reading your post.
On behalf of all those people, please go kick rocks.
Shame Black should've been upfront about this. If I didn't know I would feel a certain way too and isn't the main actor in this movie a kid? He definitely should've handled this better, I understand wanted to help someone out and all
People really hated her like that? I loved her on Attack the show and her and her cohost was what made that show work. She was a terrible actress for a while and the only thing I liked her in was The Newsroom but she has gotten better in the last few years so I assume she got the same acting coach Batista did because she got good almost around the same time he finally got decent at acting.
I thought Geeks loved her for Attack the show and her cosplay's but I guess You live and you learn.
Then there is no discussion on punishment or rehabilitation.
You're right... they should be drawn and quartered. I survived this shit. I can't say what I'd do if i got in the same room with that person. Fuck off EVERYONE defending Shane or the piece of shit "friend" he was attempting to help.
Scarlet letter... SMMFH
GOOD. I will always prioritize the needs of victims over abusers.
Not my business.
I'd certainly look at the person differently, but I wouldn't call for them to lose their job and I wouldn't hate my boss for not disclosing someone else's dirty laundry to me.
Ryan Gosling and Russell Crowe too, they pal around with the guy
Molesting a child is "dirty laundry"?
yep, you even have a person in this thread flat out saying that they're not human
I don't think the guy should just never have a job in anything forever, but I'm already uncomfortable as fuck watching movies with all these harassing assholes in them. I definitely wouldn't go see a movie called The Predator where a child rapist sexually harasses Olivia Munn (who has been harassed before). Like, what the fuck
In the words of the homie TChalla
It's odd that people will claim to support victims and things like the MeToo movement, but will turn around and say "We need more empathy for Pedophiles"
Especially when pedophiles are the epitome of abusing Power Dynamics.
Man, the big homie hit the nail
It's odd that people will claim to support victims and things like the MeToo movement, but will turn around and say "We need more empathy for Pedophiles"
Especially when pedophiles are the epitome of abusing Power Dynamics.
Man, the big homie hit the nail
This movie already looked dumb to me. Shane Black is also trash and I won't be watching anything he does. I guess the real ultimate predator is Shane Black and his pedo friend.
Hahaha, what the fuck? I didn't even know that this Munn hate existed. That's fucking embarrassing.
I thought that sex offenders list is a public record in the US? I just assumed that every idiot who's on the set didn't google his name, but she did because she saw some red flags or something.
Shitting on Munn and Ruby Rose a few weeks back purely for their 'acting abilities' and not misogyny.
Im glad there's all these heroes standing up for the integrity of Hollywoods acting standards.